Military Strikes on Iran Imminent

LafayetteBear

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I'd be willing to bet (figuratively) that if and when democrats regain control of either house or Senate, we'll get the chance to find out
As we should. I hope the Demos subpoena the crap out of Trump and his minions when they retake the House. Absolute scorched earth. Susan Rice was right on the money.
 

TigerGrowls

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Ned: Your desire to throw bouquets in PIC's direction has you attempting to conflate Khamenei with Hitler. Hitler murdered six million Jews, gypsies, gays, and others, and he started World War II. Khamenei was not a good person by any stretch, but he just doesn't come close to being in Hitler's ballpark. Your suggestion that perhaps Khamenei was gonna unleash World War III or Armegeddon on the world is wildly speculative at best. He and his colleagues didn't manage to do it for over 47 years. But they were just weeks or months away from doing it? OK ...

As for your first paragraph, above, how about Trump evacuating at least a few Americans? He knew or should have known that bombing the crap out of Iran was gonna put them at risk. Doesn't take a genius to figure that one out. How about him having made at least some effort to build public and/or Congressional support for taking military action against Iran? Bush 41, Bush 43, and Obama all did so. I thought this guy was the "peace president." He's bombed seven (7) different countries since the start of his second term, and he's only getting warmed up. His Department of Defense has been rechristened the Department of War. It's obvious that the name change comports with his world view. He has yet to find a country he wouldn't like to bomb or hit with a tariff.
Anyone that was still in the middle east knowing that the US was parking a huge force right off the coast was not very smart imo. US staff on duty would be exceptions of course.
 
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fatpiggy

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Iran is just getting pummeled.

Stock market unchanged overnight, this tells me things are settling down nicely for the time being.

Iran will need to pull a rabbit out of their hat to do any serious damage to the US.

I’m guessing when they launch missles we track where they come from and destroy them.

 

baltimorened

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A threat... we'll that should be easy to justify. So go ahead. Remember, your audience has been alive since 1980.
well, if I Google times Iran or it's proxies have attacked us interests then I have to cut and paste back here. Wouldn't it be easier to just look it up? If you really haven't heard of Iranian fingerprints over attacks on Americans than I can understand your position. But IMO, and obviously in the position of Trump admin, Iran has been a thorn in the world since 1979 when the took over our embassy in Tehran and held Americans captive for 444 days.
 

baltimorened

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  • 1979 US Citizens taken hostage. 8 service members killed during OP Eagle Claw, the mission to rescue them .
  • Marine Barrack bombing in Beruit - 238 americans killed
  • Willam Buckley, William Higgens, Peter Killburn - kidnapped horribly tortured and killed by iranian proxies
  • Tanker War in 1988 an- 37 us casualties on the USS Stark
  • Khobar Towers bombing - 1996. 19 US killed. 372 wounded
  • USS Cole bombing 2000 - (probable ties to Iran) - 17 killed, 39 injured
  • Proxy war in Iraq - IRGC supplied materials and knowledge to insurgent groups to kill and maim us military. per AI approx 600 DEATHS, wounded?
  • Missile strike after we killed Solemani - injured many us military. (100ea?)
  • Potential involvement in POTUS assasination attemps
  • October 7th - Iran backed. - 46 us citizens killed, to include those taken hostage and tortured before deaths
This doesn't include the Iranian Quds force activities in Afghanistan. They were there.

How did i do? @firegiver I think what i posted is pretty accurate. What do you think about it? Its history.
thanks, you did what I was too lazy to do
 
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baltimorened

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Ned: Your desire to throw bouquets in PIC's direction has you attempting to conflate Khamenei with Hitler. Hitler murdered six million Jews, gypsies, gays, and others, and he started World War II. Khamenei was not a good person by any stretch, but he just doesn't come close to being in Hitler's ballpark. Your suggestion that perhaps Khamenei was gonna unleash World War III or Armegeddon on the world is wildly speculative at best. He and his colleagues didn't manage to do it for over 47 years. But they were just weeks or months away from doing it? OK ...

As for your first paragraph, above, how about Trump evacuating at least a few Americans? He knew or should have known that bombing the crap out of Iran was gonna put them at risk. Doesn't take a genius to figure that one out. How about him having made at least some effort to build public and/or Congressional support for taking military action against Iran? Bush 41, Bush 43, and Obama all did so. I thought this guy was the "peace president." He's bombed seven (7) different countries since the start of his second term, and he's only getting warmed up. His Department of Defense has been rechristened the Department of War. It's obvious that the name change comports with his world view. He has yet to find a country he wouldn't like to bomb or hit with a tariff.
I think you missed my point on Hitler. I wasn't comparing just highlighting that stopping the problem before it becomes a problem is a better way to go, IMO. You don't agree, that's OK.

I don't disagree with your point about evacuating Americans. I don't think the administration anticipated that Iran would attack all it's neighbors. TBH I would not have anticipated that either.

I think, personally, you're just a mite unglued in your opinion about countries he might want to bomb....there are about 197 countries, he's got a long way to go (and we complain about trump's hyperbole)....You already know my opinion on tariffs.

Face it, you and I see things differently when it comes to national security. You're prepared to wait until Iran has the capability to send a missile, with or without nuclear warhead to the US. I believe that nuclear weapon capability is Iran's goal, and I'd rather eliminate the problem now.
 
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TigerGrowls

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Poor Brennan not happy.



Idk why people are shocked.

Obama’s former CIA Director John Brennan converted to Islam between 1996 and 1999 when he was the CIA station chief in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.

At the CIA, he had an Islamic prayer mat on his wall in his office and is on video speaking about “my Muslim faith” when speaking to a Muslim student during a speaking gig.

Brennan also speaks fluent Arabic.

He is a Muslim.
 

fatpiggy

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Poor Brennan not happy.



Idk why people are shocked.

Obama’s former CIA Director John Brennan converted to Islam between 1996 and 1999 when he was the CIA station chief in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.

At the CIA, he had an Islamic prayer mat on his wall in his office and is on video speaking about “my Muslim faith” when speaking to a Muslim student during a speaking gig.

Brennan also speaks fluent Arabic.

He is a Muslim.

So Brennan is a Muslim. That explains a lot.
 
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TigerGrowls

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This is what Secretary of State Marco Rubio was talking about when he explained why the U.S. needed to strike Iran now

Iran was building its ballistic missile stockpile so rapidly that the U.S. was not going to be able to manufacture enough interceptors to counter them

The result is that Iran would be free to pursue their nuclear weapons program because the West would not be able to attack Iran without sustaining serious damage from Iranian ballistic missiles.

Rubio said: "That is what they were trying to do, is put themselves in a place of immunity where the damage they can inflict on the region would be so high that no one can do anything about their nuclear program or their nuclear ambitions."
 

firegiver

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well, if I Google times Iran or it's proxies have attacked us interests then I have to cut and paste back here. Wouldn't it be easier to just look it up? If you really haven't heard of Iranian fingerprints over attacks on Americans than I can understand your position. But IMO, and obviously in the position of Trump admin, Iran has been a thorn in the world since 1979 when the took over our embassy in Tehran and held Americans captive for 444 days.
Literally almost 50 years ago? Thats our justification? Yall, this is pathetic. The justification I heard Rubio say was: Israel was going to strike first, and Iran was going to retaliate against them and us for it. So we struck first.

Thats likely the truth.

Its also crazy.

If you are having a hard time justifying this, then its not your fault.
 

firegiver

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So Brennan is a Muslim. That explains a lot.
Did you know: Islam teaches that Jesus was a prophet
Judaism teaches he was a heretic and is burning in hell.

some food for thought for you radical religious folks out there.
 

firegiver

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  • 1979 US Citizens taken hostage. 8 service members killed during OP Eagle Claw, the mission to rescue them .
  • Marine Barrack bombing in Beruit - 238 americans killed
  • Willam Buckley, William Higgens, Peter Killburn - kidnapped horribly tortured and killed by iranian proxies
  • Tanker War in 1988 an- 37 us casualties on the USS Stark
  • Khobar Towers bombing - 1996. 19 US killed. 372 wounded
  • USS Cole bombing 2000 - (probable ties to Iran) - 17 killed, 39 injured
  • Proxy war in Iraq - IRGC supplied materials and knowledge to insurgent groups to kill and maim us military. per AI approx 600 DEATHS, wounded?
  • Missile strike after we killed Solemani - injured many us military. (100ea?)
  • Potential involvement in POTUS assasination attemps
  • October 7th - Iran backed. - 46 us citizens killed, to include those taken hostage and tortured before deaths
This doesn't include the Iranian Quds force activities in Afghanistan. They were there.

How did i do? @firegiver I think what i posted is pretty accurate. What do you think about it? Its history.
You did a great job listing some things for people to think about.
However, you did not do a good job justifying this war. Nor did the administration. So its not really your fault and more the people in charge fault.
 

fatpiggy

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Did you know: Islam teaches that Jesus was a prophet
Judaism teaches he was a heretic and is burning in hell.

some food for thought for you radical religious folks out there.
I don’t do religion. I just know the stereotypes and that’s enough for me.

I know that the only religion that continues to call for my death, at least the people that practice that religion, happens to be Islam.
 

firegiver

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Alright, lets say you are a fully convinced this was all necessary. Whats the end game?
If we just kill all the leadership and leave. Whats that going to do for our outcome?
How much money should we add to our debt?
How much blow back is acceptable to you, terrorist attacks back on us?
Are you really ready to enter another quagmire in the middle east?
Do you really believe these religious fanatics telling our troops this is going to bring Jesus back?

There isn't a plan to exit, and there was no imminent threat to us.
 

firegiver

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I don’t do religion. I just know the stereotypes and that’s enough for me.

I know that the only religion that continues to call for my death, at least the people that practice that religion, happens to be Islam.
And WHY do they call for America and Israel's death? Im sure it has nothing to do with ... oh everything we've done in the region. We destroyed Iran's democratically elected government to get access to their oil in 1953. Wouldn't that piss you off? Do the supporters of this war even have emotional intelligence? Im guessing no.
 

fatpiggy

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And WHY do they call for America and Israel's death? Im sure it has nothing to do with ... oh everything we've done in the region. We destroyed Iran's democratically elected government to get access to their oil in 1953. Wouldn't that piss you off? Do the supporters of this war even have emotional intelligence? Im guessing no.
I do not consider myself a supporter or detractor of this war. I argued against the war before it started, but must admit I am pleasantly surprised with the results, thus far. And I realize it’s far from over. My opinion is that success will not be able to be accurately measured until a decade from now (will still discuss along the way!).

We can go way back in history if you want? How far back is ok to go? I’m guessing not too far because Democrat railed Putin when he started discussing Ukraine and went back in history to the year 800 AD.

The bottom line is, Iran was a menace. They continually called for our death, for a removal of our existence. That is not appropriate for any nation.

In the years since 1953, I don’t think Iran has been harmless. Another poster answered your question above and Iran has done plenty in the recent past to justify their elimination. Thats why you see broad support for his elimination from both parties.

Additinally, the way Trump executed the strike really opened some eyes on the world stage. Cuba noticed. Russia noticed. China noticed. Europe noticed. Trump made his mark.
 

fatpiggy

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Literally almost 50 years ago? Thats our justification? Yall, this is pathetic. The justification I heard Rubio say was: Israel was going to strike first, and Iran was going to retaliate against them and us for it. So we struck first.

Thats likely the truth.

Its also crazy.

If you are having a hard time justifying this, then its not your fault.
Why is 50 years ago pathetic when you brought up 1953. Confused