No, I am contending that when you are to travel to the ME in a time of publicly high tension, you do some additional backup planning ahead of time. That can involve a very wide range of things indeed, from not going at all and/or meeting virtually, to arranging backup ground transport (either internally within or externally out of a country), to (in some extremely limited cases), extraction. The point is, there are things that can be done on teh planning front. But either way, when you do actually find yourself in a war zone that could have been anticipated, you don't take to twitter and whine about it.
Military Strikes on Iran Imminent
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No, I am contending that when you are to travel to the ME in a time of publicly high tension, you do some additional backup planning ahead of time. That can involve a very wide range of things indeed, from not going at all and/or meeting virtually, to arranging backup ground transport (either internally within or externally out of a country), to (in some extremely limited cases), extraction. The point is, there are things that can be done on teh planning front. But either way, when you do actually find yourself in a war zone that could have been anticipated, you don't take to twitter and whine about it.
I don't agree that he should have anticipated he wouldn't be able to fly out of Dubai and I wouldn't call what he did whining. He was desperate to find a way out and the hotline Rubio advised citizens to call gave them no help, so in his post you can see that he was tagging @usgov and @SecRubio in an attempt to get their attention. Wild that you're solely blaming him because he should have planned for all this.
We'll just agree to disagree.
Of course if you're a maga influencer, you'll have no trouble at all. Screw everyone else.
Trump helps MAGA influencers flee Middle East war zone on private jet
Trump adviser Alex Bruesewitz, dogwalker Sarah Daither, former lobbyist Jay Footlik, and others managed to escape on a private plane thanks to the White House.
www.dailymail.co.uk
obviously they planned ahead.Of course if you're a maga influencer, you'll have no trouble at all. Screw everyone else.
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Trump helps MAGA influencers flee Middle East war zone on private jet
Trump adviser Alex Bruesewitz, dogwalker Sarah Daither, former lobbyist Jay Footlik, and others managed to escape on a private plane thanks to the White House.www.dailymail.co.uk
He should've planned for it
To travel by land between the UAE and Saudi Arabia, U.S. citizens must have a passport valid for at least six months, a pre-obtained Saudi e-Visa, and an International Driving Permit if driving. Land borders are open, but require careful planning, as rental vehicles often need special permits, and the journey requires registering with Saudi authorities.
https://travel.state.gov/content/tr...el-Country-Information-Pages/SaudiArabia.html
- Airspace Status: Saudi airspace is under partial closure. While it remains a primary corridor for international flights bypassing closed zones in Iraq and Iran, certain areas (especially near the borders with Iraq and the Persian Gulf) are restricted due to military activity.
- Flight Realities: Even though the airport is open, many flights are being cancelled, delayed, or rerouted by individual airlines due to safety risks and the closure of neighboring airspaces.
Airspace closures following Israeli and US strikes on Iran | Flightradar24 Blog
Israel and the United States has launched airstrikes on Iran. Airspace in the region is closed as a result—learn more about the latest developments.
www.flightradar24.com
I reread my post just to remember what i had posted and i kinda sounded like a dick when i @'d you. That wasn't the reason i posted. My intent going in was to detail out the actions that Iranian regime has taken to maim and kill americans since the 1979 revolution. The most recent ayatolla was there at the beginning so he worked his way up to eventually run crazytown so he's been party to it all.
I don't think the initial messaging from the admin was good. I could say that about a number of other things that the amin has done as well, but that's another thing.
I can maybe make a guess as to the admin's justification from what i've heard from various admin officials and trump and i think they are getting it together, but i didn't do it so i can't speak for them definitively.
I support the action so I can tell you why I do. I believe 100% that given their history, they will continue to kill americans however they can. I believe that they export terrorism and unrest thoughout the region and beyond. I beleve Iran as it exists today is the single biggest impediment to peace throughout the region and the single biggest reason why we have to have the level of military presense that we have historically had in the reason. I agree with the policy of no nukes. I believe that them devloping even longer range ballistic missiles to include ICBMs is unacceptable. I believe that they will continue to disrupt oil tanker traffic when it suits them, as they have in the past. I belive they will never completely give up their nuke weapon progam or ballistic missile program, as they got back to it after our attack last year. I believe they may say they will, but they will find ways to cheat. I also believe it likely that we didn't destroy as much of their program last year as we said/thought we did. I believe that some sort of armed conflict with Iran would be inevitable in the future. I believe that even if we don't get a stable, democratic government immediately that after we neuter iran's military capabilities, that Israel and the other gulf states will be able to keep them in check without massive involvment by us.
Why now? I believe that conditions lined up for this to be the most favorable opportunity to solve or partially solve all the issues i listed above. I posted probably way up this thread or the other a list of reasons what i think are the factors uniquely lining up in favor of now that can't be assumed will happen any time soon. Not least of which the iranian regime is having to brutally supress internal dissent so they are vulerable internally to some extent and a large segment of the population ready for change.
The other reasons are that waiting could very well be much much worse. Iran was going full speed ahead producing cheap drones and cheap shorter range missiles (enough range to threaten the region) with production ramping up. The pace of that exceeds the pace that the US and others in the region could make systems / munitions to counter. At some point (and the admin is making the case that it would be soon) , Iran woudl have too many to counter and then could use that increase the price for taking action in the future, effectively providing top cover for their nuke and ICBM program. Imagine if Iran had 5x the number of missles/drones etc. and ICBMs and after that nukes?
Lastly i think we and israel had good penetration of the iranian leadership to support decapitation strikes (makes the military campaign easier) ... that can't be guaranteed to last forever.
So all that can be boiled down to saying, the best time to solve a problem is when it's easiest to solve. Right now, to me, doesn't seem like a bad time.
And it goes without saying that now that we are where we are... we need to see it through.
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yea it's not as easy getting around in Saudi as it is in the US. Like I posted, I don't think anyone anticipated that the Iranian reaction would be to track all it's mideast neighbors. Still seems a little "off " to me. Why generate more enemiesHe should've planned for it
To travel by land between the UAE and Saudi Arabia, U.S. citizens must have a passport valid for at least six months, a pre-obtained Saudi e-Visa, and an International Driving Permit if driving. Land borders are open, but require careful planning, as rental vehicles often need special permits, and the journey requires registering with Saudi authorities.
https://travel.state.gov/content/tr...el-Country-Information-Pages/SaudiArabia.html
- Airspace Status: Saudi airspace is under partial closure. While it remains a primary corridor for international flights bypassing closed zones in Iraq and Iran, certain areas (especially near the borders with Iraq and the Persian Gulf) are restricted due to military activity.
- Flight Realities: Even though the airport is open, many flights are being cancelled, delayed, or rerouted by individual airlines due to safety risks and the closure of neighboring airspaces.
Airspace closures following Israeli and US strikes on Iran | Flightradar24 Blog
Israel and the United States has launched airstrikes on Iran. Airspace in the region is closed as a result—learn more about the latest developments.
you should look up the defense budget categories. Only about $150Billion or so goes into procurement. The rest is in personell, operations and readiness etc.
Good call - just looked it up and AI said 17% goes into procurement.
Assuming 17%:
2024 - $149b
2023 - $144b
2022 - $146b
2021 - $137b
2020 - $133b
That's $709b over 5 years for procurement. Now I could see an argument for we're down low because we were selling old munitions to Ukraine for the last 4 years, but still you'd think they'd increase procurement over these last 4 years to offset that.
This shows exactly who you are. A one party person. As anti-American as it gets. Susan Rice is the scourge of America.
Do we know what the $50B supplemental request is for? I could see procurement given the way we're burning through air defense and tomahawks and depleting stockpiles, but I'll bet a big chunk of that is going to be O&M all those ships and planes driving around have to be chewing thrrough gas and then then they are going to be serious maintenance needs from using all these systems so hard.
Lol. Seriously? This goes back to the 7th century and never went away. It's never going away because of the radical Islamists. I'm guessing, you should not be questioning anyone considering you only went back to 1953. That's as ignorant as saying Israel only goes back and is affected post 1948.
Iran and Israel were close allies even during the Arab Israeli war. It wasn't until the Muslim extremists came in in 1979 and supported the Palestinians did they fall out. Get rid of the extremists in Iran, peace can come back.
No idea why people are posting every single bit of damage done to areas by Iran just to go at Trump. Many here seem to hate Trump far more than they love their country. Yesterday was like a billboard for Iran on here. Meanwhile, they are literally on their last breath. Some here act like the U.S. effort has been a failure. It's been an overwhelming success.
Oh yeah, was is this democratic election you speak of in Iran? That's a laugher.
The illusion of democracy: Unmasking Iran's presidential election | Iran International https://share.google/dTCV506ITLhKrgrqh
Nah, I'm just assuming it's for procurement based on all the articles coming out saying we're depleting our munitions. Probably just MIC feeding reporters info since they see this as a ripe opportunity to fleece the gov't.
Your O&M comment is a good point that I hadn't considered. Very well could be for that.
Imagine, these folks talk down to others as if they are right and have all the answers. This is your Ivy League. Pure Socialists and Marxists. How anyone can be a liberal and support this is absolutely insane. They certainly don't believe in individual rights or the Bill of Rights. They believe in the collective. The very antithesis of America. Yeah, Venezuela, Cuba. Working well, right Bernie Sanders.
Again, this is about the Justification for force. Lets start with: Why do we have to go to war with Iran right now? The history arguments are moot, to your point. So what is the actual URGENT need to strike at them? If you say because Israel was going to do it and we needed to help with that strike. I'll agree with you.
Then it becomes a discussion about why Israel would want to do that, and also, why in the world is Israel dictating to us to enter a war?
Want some cheese with that whine? Where were you when Biden was fking up Afghanistan leaving hundreds of Americans behind and killing entire families? Oh yeah, saying what a great job the withdrawal was.Of course if you're a maga influencer, you'll have no trouble at all. Screw everyone else.
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What in the literal phuck? Sqy “thank you?”
Because he hasn’t had any help from the US?
Do you really think the US and Israel need that midget’s help shooting down drones??
GTFOH with that crap
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you'd think..but remember during the Clinton administration the call was to decrease the number of prime contractors - DoD wanted to limit overhead costs. So there are now fewer primes that back in the '90s. Add in that there is only so much capacity,. Once you hit 3 shifts there's not a lot more you can do. Then we've been selling overseas at an unprecedented clip...munitions for Israel, Ukraine, Foreign military sales, and now Iran. Experts have been warning for a couple of years now about potential shortages, and not just anybody can produce these high tech smart weapons. So, it looks like the warning were not just "calling wolf"
And another team takes the field.
The development comes as the conflict between the United States, Israel and Iran continues to escalate across the region.
Earlier Wednesday, Secretary of War Pete Hegseth said the U.S. military is not arming an insurgency inside Iran, though he suggested other parts of the U.S. government could potentially be involved.
Thousands of Iraqi Kurds launch ground offensive into Iran, US official tells Fox News
Thousands of Iraqi Kurdish fighters have launched a ground offensive into Iran, a U.S. official told Fox News.The development comes as the conflict between the United States, Israel and Iran continues to escalate across the region.
Earlier Wednesday, Secretary of War Pete Hegseth said the U.S. military is not arming an insurgency inside Iran, though he suggested other parts of the U.S. government could potentially be involved.
I mean, this guy's obviously a provocateur-clown, and a putz to boot, and we really don't need them any more than we need paid instigators. That said, I did find it somewhat amusing that, apparently, in the big cities, they actually do industrialize the signmaking process without regard to whether it makes it obvious that a demonstration is astroturf.
In my small town, it's sort of funny in that they seem to make an effort to sort of conceal the astroturf, even though it's the same strange people on the corner each Friday, between 430 and 515, usually with a child brought along as a prop. So, most of the signs are in fact unique and distinct from one another in their message. But...the diversity of the message phrasing is so strangely banal and distinct that it's clear that the slogans are authored by AI, and the quality of the "art" (ie, the painted/printed lettering) is just a little "too" good and error-free to reflect a handmade item. Very reminiscent of when my dad, who was an auctioneer during his retirement, used to tell me about how guys would bury new objects for a couple of months in the hope of making them look like antiques, but you could always tell the ones that didn't have the "it" quality.
Who knows, maybe the real winning model for sign messaging was the somewhat comical "Trump Good/Kamala Bad" series of signs in 2024.
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I gotta say, Zelensky and the Ukrainians have just had a consistent A-game in terms of their messaging from the beginning of this thing.
I get what he means but it's probably one of those posts that after hitting the send button you realize that you might have said it a little differently.
that'll surely get the persian iranians to fight for their country...just not sure on which side.
Mulling over whether there may be analogs in nature of things that are "persistently imminent" over several decades.
So far, I've come up with:
- "the next second"
- the Toronto Maple Leafs winning another stanley cup
The myth of Muslims fighting each other for thousands of years is just so ignorant it does not deserve a rebuttal.
A couple of thoughts:
1. Really not a lot of sympathy for agitators whining about injuries sustained while obstructing senate proceedings or resisting arrest (and yes, that would include any similar J6 incidents)
2. SEAL>Marine
3. The way the one cop grabbed his bald head reminded me of the seinfeld episode with the woman who got it on with gandhi during her youth.
I was in Atlanta Ga and I didn't approve of the way he managed the evacuation. Any more questions?
You seem hangry, did you miss lunch?