Not really. If your means are limited you prioritize offense. It's the equalizer (and more entertaining). How do good Navy teams sometimes manage to beat better programs? Great defense or tricky offense? Schiano goes for defense because he's a defense guy and still believes defense wins championships. How has that worked out? Did strong defenses win the Big East for WVU and Cincinnati? Did they win the Big East for us?
Most disappointed I’ve been watching a game in a decade
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You said aim higher then stated Navy as an example. To me, you are talking about being mediocre with a chance to upset someone. That’s not really aiming higher. No one in the B1G has an “entertaining” O. It will be interesting to see the new members next year and how they do against the old. Guess we will find out if it’s good O or just bad D for the PAC.
Aim higher means try to lift yourself above mediocre and offense is the only way these days. Navy beats better programs through offense, sometimes. We never do through defense.
Well let's see...should we start with the irony of you claiming the program sucks but then should be expected to beat a ranked team with one of the best defenses in America on the road?
We are literally 6-4 with every loss being competitive through half, given where we came from that is an excellent result
Since you didn’t answer any of my questions..I’ll ask two more..
Where/when did I claim the program sucked? Where/when did I claim I expected Rutgers to win?
LOL. Disappointment implies an expectation. And you were literally crapping all over the program last week because not enough ppl were in the stadium before the game.
disagree that disappointment implies an expectation.
And yes, if I remember correctly I said the program has a lot of work to do. That doesn’t mean I think it sucks.
If I say "I'm disappointed you didn't come to lunch" it was my expectation that you'd come. This is basic English.
Maybe not at NJ media outlets, but alas
Actually the basic English definition of disappointment (both dictionary.com and meriam Webster) is “failure to meet the expectations or hopes of something”.
Key words…OR HOPES OF SOMETHING.
Well thanks for admitting it is about expectation. Like...you expected Greg on the hot seat when we trailed MSU, you expect people in the stadium before noon games and expect to beat ranked Iowa on the road.
Not sure which is craziest. But all have their points.
Again, I had no no expectation we would win. Didn’t I just say this?
I Did have hope we’d win..but we laid an egg. Hence the disappointment
You do realize we have played somewhere in the neighborhood of 118 games in the past decade and you now proclaim yesterday as your most disappointing of all the others? Simply wow… we are all upset with the teams ineptness, penalties and injuries sustained but I believe you are being slightly overly dramatic. It was a loss and we still have two games to see what the staff and players can cull from the tapes. I do feel Simon and Sheppard should be given snaps these last two games unless anyone believe AJ Surace is going to be lights out after his arrival.
results compared to what and compared to when?
That is.. the whole offense sucked under Gleeson. No QB did great. And no QB distanced himself from any other. Under Gleeson, the idea was that we needed a running QB (that we would not ask to run much or to run the RPO, oddly enough).
We have only what Simon did in teh Wisconsin game as "he played for us" (with this OC and gameplan). Why we brought the injured Wimsatt back in while Simon did okay and engineered a short drive... I have no idea. I mean, I CAN have ideas if you want to go the speculation route. Reasons why we'd put Wimsatt back in, in a game that seemed out of reach after he was injured... but the speculation cannot be that Simon showed that he was worse than Wimsatt because he did not.
You can't use "given where we came from forever. After 4 years the players are Schiano's, not Ash's. No passing game after so much time is on Schiano. Few coaches inherit a great situation. Almost by definition work needs to be done to right the ship for everyone. And oh Kansas was ranked 16 going in to last week.
Not you Plum… was posting back at the idiot RU Division. He’s a troll or has numerous names .
Your second sentence is a bit hyperbolic. Actually, more than a bit.
I remember a few "program changing" wins where the glow faded quickly. Sometimes within a week.
Agree. Which is why I wasn’t disappointed after mist games. It was misery. I had no hope with ash.
Again, this week was filled with hope. From alot of people..diehards to casual fans. And we sucked. That’s the difference.
Many here are interpreting my post as this was the worst loss. Not what I mean at all
Agree. Hence why I didn’t use “program changing.”. Programs don’t change after one win.
I don't see a whole lot of difference between your term ("absolute wonders for the program") and mine.
I don’t think our program needs to “change” much. Some things certainly need improvement, we need more hype, and we need a larger fan base. And I think a win would have helped.
Ridiculous. Good teams don’t have WTF games. We have now had 2 horrible performances: Wisconsin and Iowa. Enough excuses we need to correct the play calling and QB performance or we have reached our win total for the year.
And how's that working out? Bowl Game.. sure. Great. But more fans than not think we have issues at QB. Also, I am citing a specific case where having developed Simon further might have resulted in having 2 situational QBs. I won't repeat all teh reasons why I think we should want to see what Simon could do when passing is paramount.. but it has all been said many times and explained and all you got is that GW is the CHOSEN ONE.
Dude, get a grip! Rutgers where we are right now is at what my expectations were for this year, which was to make a bowl. Anything we get is a bonus. Why do some Rutgers fans want Greg to walk on water, Greg has the team progressing nicely and there are bound to be setbacks but that's why we play the games.
The way I see it Michigan St. was an unexpected win and Iowa was an unexpected loss. We have two games left, Both are winnable. Let's Go RU!
He is the CHOSEN ONE by the coaches. Everyone wants open competition but don’t like the results.
Worked really well this season. With literally no offense yet we are bowl bound. Thanks to D keeping us in games .kind of like Iowa but they were just better than us.
Dude get your own grip. Zero wins against winning teams in Year 4 of Greg 2.0
That’s ZERO in 4 years.
Progress is great but winning only against less than mediocre and bad teams is a real low bar. Moral victories are for wussies. The continued low expectations of RU fans is mind boggling.
If the Head Coach was doing his job he would have found a P5 QB by now.
Beat Maryland, win the bowl game and the team finishes with eight wins and the greatest football season since GS left KF a stacked defense in year one of the B1G.
Lose out and its 6-7 and still a nice step forward for the program, out of the absolute basement of the league and into a team, that when healthy, that can play anyone tough.
The QB situation is exacerbated by the lack of legitimate playmakers outside.
We need one, two or three big donors who want to be a part of something super exciting to step in and pay for that sort of talent.
If we don't get that while all the teams who are better than us do get that, then this is what a really good season looks like for the foreseeable future.
So much to root for within Rutgers Football. So many kids who have worked incredibly hard and far exceeded their HS projections. A staff that's doing things the right way. A number of wins against programs who have richer histories and more projected talent on their rosters....If all you're focused on is winning championships, you're missing a big part of what makes being a Rutgers Football fan enjoyable.
Lose out and its 6-7 and still a nice step forward for the program, out of the absolute basement of the league and into a team, that when healthy, that can play anyone tough.
The QB situation is exacerbated by the lack of legitimate playmakers outside.
We need one, two or three big donors who want to be a part of something super exciting to step in and pay for that sort of talent.
If we don't get that while all the teams who are better than us do get that, then this is what a really good season looks like for the foreseeable future.
So much to root for within Rutgers Football. So many kids who have worked incredibly hard and far exceeded their HS projections. A staff that's doing things the right way. A number of wins against programs who have richer histories and more projected talent on their rosters....If all you're focused on is winning championships, you're missing a big part of what makes being a Rutgers Football fan enjoyable.
Dude, you are completely unhinged with this rant. Greg is making progress. We hit his ceiling for this year which was to make a bowl. anything over that is gravy. I will never understand why dudes like you get so unhinged. The program is moving forwards. Admittedly the Iowa loss was a WTF game because they couldn't do anything and Iowa shut us out. With that said, Whether you realize it or not the program has moved ahead and Greg and the coaches just need a few more pieces and those wins will come on a consistent basis. Let's go RU!
I still think we have a chance against PSU. Need a great game from everyone, Refs not get in the way, and a little luck.
Who said forever? At the same time, we were literally the worst P5 team when he came here, both times.
If RU was in a different conference we'd be ranked with the same record.
So...if VT and NW get winning records- which seems pretty likely at the moment- does that mean GS has done a great job?
And we blew out both...led the entire way against both...
I thought WTF games were like Cuse 09 or Tulane 10 or UConn 11.
Now they're against a top 20 team?
Pretty good in my estimation that GS' WTF losses are now Franklin WTF losses, only 4 years in.
Four years is a long time and it means the roster is all his players. He doesn't get to blame the previous coach four years later because he has a QB that can't complete 10 passes in a game.