I didn't say he did. What I said is that there is unmistakable progress from then till now. If it's not fast or good enough for you, that is a you issue.
Most disappointed I’ve been watching a game in a decade
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I didn't say he did. What I said is that there is unmistakable progress from then till now. If it's not fast or good enough for you, that is a you issue.
Four years is a long time to get to the point where you can only reliably beat weak teams. He didn't even really put up much of a fight against 40something ranked Wisconsin. It must get tiresome making excuses and waiting for the mystical day when a coach will actually win a game that impresses anyone. How many years/decades do you want to wait for a single really good win let alone several?
And THAT is what everyone is talking about. That Simon should be given a chance because, in the opinion of thousands of fans watching these games, Wimsatt has issues and we want to see if Simon could have produced better results.. at least in certain situations.
You are willing to accept coaches decisions no matter what? Good for you. Did you even want the last OC replaced before GS decided to do so? Are your opinions entirely decided for you by authority figures?
Based on what I haven seen from ES from last year, I trust the coaches. You can tell coaches have reservations about GW and that’s why they don’t ask too much from him. This also tells me that ES can’t beat out GW in practice.
Last year, agreed.. they were about even and you might as well take GW's running advantages in that case. But, again, gameplan to USE those advantages or what does it matter? And when we are in a situation where we can and should ONLY throw passes.. you cannot tell me that GW is the guy for that from what we have seen THIS YEAR.
His program, his choices , his team … It’s no different on this board than what it was in 2004-2005 … your sitting on your *** behind a computer whining as RU fans are known to do. Don’t be satisfied but don’t be unhappy at 6-4 with 2 to play. The reason other teams laugh at posters. GO RU!!!!!!!!!
Do you have anything at all to say about GW's play and limitations or whether Simon should have been given some snaps?
Nothing? That figures.
I don’t know if Evan Simon or Ajani Sheppard , who I like very much , deserve any time. I’m not the coach nor are any members of this board. High school OC’s , former players in D 1colleges and I have known many have always thought they had the answers especially so at Rutgers. What he said was honest and true…. Fork up that dinero boys… maybe we can get there sooner than later. Schiano has his reasons and yes if many here said we would be at 6-3 some 2 weeks ago hell , we would have all done backflips. 2 more regular season games remain and yes… a bowl game… something for these players and staff to relish. We all forget how F’ng bad this program was even in 2014. We have some very good offensive pieces arriving soon. Maybe next year we can win 8- 10 games ? Guarantee some idiots would still complain .
What you are arguing is that fans must say NOTHING because teh team has achieved more than we thought possible to begin the season.
That is not realistic.
This is a fan DISCUSSION board.
You are suggesting that there is no reason for this board to exist after we became bowl eligible.. unless we stick to talking about what bowl game we'd like to get or discussing some positive plays or wins.. or what old person just died.
Just not realistic.
That is not realistic.
This is a fan DISCUSSION board.
You are suggesting that there is no reason for this board to exist after we became bowl eligible.. unless we stick to talking about what bowl game we'd like to get or discussing some positive plays or wins.. or what old person just died.
Just not realistic.
Personally, if we rotate QBs, it’s like the Jabu package. Makes us much easier to defend.
The board is fine . It’s the posters who think they know better about the team , staff and the direction of the program. A great deal of babbling BS.
imagine if we had the cult's mindset during ww2. Hell, we'd probably still be fighting today
Very good point; Gavin is not running the RPO like he should. There were a number of times in the games where after he dropped back to pass, there were openings for him to run and he just didn’t see it.
We just seem to have fans who think a. Mediocrity is actually great or will soon turn into greatness b. It's really really hard to beat teams in the middle of the pack even when they think they have a great coach. If the coach is so great he shouldn't need $10 million to simply get an offense in the top half or the middle of the pack or a QB that can complete 10 passes in a game. Those aren't super high bars for really good coaches. This isn’t asking for a Top 10 offense--It's asking for better than Bottom 25 after 4 years.
I can think of 10-15 games that im more disappointed in over the past 10 years than this one
god some of this fan base makes me laugh out loud.
Could we have won, sure.
For the first time since 2014 we are going to a bowl game. The last 4 games of the season were always going to be challenging. We put up a fight against OSU in a ridiculously physical game. This game was always going to be hard regardless.
Before the season I predicted 6-6 including predicting all of the wins correctly to date. Many had us winning 4-5. I’d say we overachieved this season. This team is exactly what I was expecting this year. Win the 6 that we did and be very competitive in the other games. So far so good. We are who many thought we were.
Enjoy the ride like we did in 05 and 06. This is a good football team and we have a chance to go beat Penn State and Maryland the next two weeks.
god some of this fan base makes me laugh out loud.Could we have won, sure.
For the first time since 2014 we are going to a bowl game. The last 4 games of the season were always going to be challenging. We put up a fight against OSU in a ridiculously physical game. This game was always going to be hard regardless.
Before the season I predicted 6-6 including predicting all of the wins correctly to date. Many had us winning 4-5. I’d say we overachieved this season. This team is exactly what I was expecting this year. Win the 6 that we did and be very competitive in the other games. So far so good. We are who many thought we were.
Enjoy the ride like we did in 05 and 06. This is a good football team and we have a chance to go beat Penn State and Maryland the next two weeks.
So.. for you.. coaches are always right. Got it.The board is fine . It’s the posters who think they know better about the team , staff and the direction of the program. A great deal of babbling BS.
How do you not get this?
1) Simon should have gotten garbage time early in the year and be allowed to do a full QB package. Simon also should have been given the rest of the game where GW got knocked out of the game instead of rushing him back.
2) GW is still the starter.. still passes but needs more runs.. especially bootlegs.
3) If we get into a situation where teh defense knows we have to pass.. we bring in Simon.. until a time comes when Simon's own play tells us he is not an improvement over GW in passing situations.
4) with more game-conditions information, we tweak things or go back to where we are now.
This is not a case of seeing GW as Jabu.. he won't be doing wildcat every down. That would be stupid. And if we are going to run that, just put our RBs back there. Every one of them runs better than GW. A defense seeing GW at QB cannot assume we will run or he will run any more than they already do based on our tendencies.
But here are two different cases where the D knew we had to pass. End of games with time running out and we were behind by 2 scores or more. And end of a half with time very short.. around the goal line, time for maybe 2 throws into the endzone. In those cases.. with the D assuming a pass.. we use Simon because GW has proven too inaccurate. Now.. Simon is largely unproven there too.. he might take a sack where he shouldn't. We do not know. And GW HAS made some good plays down there... but is very inconsistent. If we rolled out GW and he was on the outside with a chance to run or pass.. even as the D expected pass.. that might get me to rethink that scenario.. but we do not do that. While GW is slow to get started.. once he is running he is a real threat in space.. we need to use that or forget about it as a reason to play him exclusively.
Lastly, If we have Monagai healthy and he is doing well.. the the D is much more vulnerable to the bootleg. We have run that.. what? Twice all season? That is insane.
I think the Iowa loss was much more on the O and D coordinators than on the players.
With no pressure from the D line and infrequent blitz while playing a soft zone the Iowa QB
cut us up. On O we must be the most predictable team to defend. Jet sweep? Langan given the ball when he switches side? Screen pass? A pass to a TE?
With no pressure from the D line and infrequent blitz while playing a soft zone the Iowa QB
cut us up. On O we must be the most predictable team to defend. Jet sweep? Langan given the ball when he switches side? Screen pass? A pass to a TE?
Bowl eligible for the first time in eight years. Yeah, absolutely.
yes because we could have an should have beaten them. We new Ash sucked and the team sucked and knew we'd get our asses kicked. This was a complete let down
sorry if you are ok with excuses and sorry if you are comfortable being a midling team, some of us demand more
A middling team!!!! This is our best team in almost 10 years!!!!
we have overachieved. The last 4 games were always going to he ridiculously hard given the opponentsI can still remember back in August showing the Rutgers schedule for 2023 to some non-Rutgers guys I know and hearing them laugh, talk about betting the under on RU wins for the season, and some even predicting that this season would be a step back from 2022 and possibly the beginning of the end for Schiano 2.0.A middling team!!!! This is our best team in almost 10 years!!!!
The board trolls who are now crying about being 6-4 literally this year called for GS to be on the hot seat.
They're just here to troll. Don't enable them.
Yeah down a score was really no fight lol.
I guess VT and NW are weak now.
Frankly if the haters are impressed means absolutely nothing.
We are talking about completely different things. My point on Jabu package means a one dimensional play. In this case, ES is Jabu running an obvious passing play. The DL would love to see that.
Greg and the coaches are doing fine with recruiting. We need a few more pieces and upgrades in athleticism and the wins will come.
You can demand all you want. The opinions that matter consider your demands, laughable and completely irrelevant. Your voice isn't being heard. They all think you're dead wrong. You're banging your head against a wall, everyday, for years and what? You're going to watch Schiano get a raise and an extension.
Have some pride, Bro. Quit following Rutgers.
Yes VT and NW are almost as good as Ohio State. Practically the same thing.
I understand the OP's disappointment. Our last few games, including our performance against OSU, made a lot of us very optimistic about the Iowa game. It's a real shock to then look so bad.
Fan bases (not just this one) are bipolar. Fans get too excited when things are going well, and too upset when things don't go well.
The fact is that we're getting better. Yes, the progress seems painfully slow. Yes, we are probably going to be in an unattractive bowl game -- but at least we'll be in a bowl game. Yes, it is excruciating at times to watch our passing offense; but even there we've made improvement; our offensive line is giving Wimsatt time to throw. We are so much ahead of where Ash left us.
Just keep the faith, baby, and we'll be OK.
Fan bases (not just this one) are bipolar. Fans get too excited when things are going well, and too upset when things don't go well.
The fact is that we're getting better. Yes, the progress seems painfully slow. Yes, we are probably going to be in an unattractive bowl game -- but at least we'll be in a bowl game. Yes, it is excruciating at times to watch our passing offense; but even there we've made improvement; our offensive line is giving Wimsatt time to throw. We are so much ahead of where Ash left us.
Just keep the faith, baby, and we'll be OK.
Because you have very little understanding of what it takes to win at this level. From a strength and conditioning perspective alone, it’s taken us 4 years to reach parity with our competitive peers. This shows the kids we’ve recruited have the work ethic to succeed. Acquiring adequate talent to be competitive at Rutgers is a slow process, especially because we lack adequate NIL support. We have enough talent to be competitive with the Big Ten elite for roughly three quarters. It’ll probably take 2 more years to be competitive with them for four quarters.
Now talent gaps remain, though many have been closed.
So if you want an impressive win, write a check, which will help us acquire talent, otherwise you have no room to complain.