Go back and look at the prediction thread. 95% had RU winning which I found amusing
Most disappointed I’ve been watching a game in a decade
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Thanks coach Al, who knows so much about how to win at this level that his game predictions are always wrong. Go back to making more videos serenading potential recruits.
How dare GS give us hope. Let’s go back to Ash days when we all know we are going to lose…..by a lot.
Again, how can you miss the obvious?
OF COURSE it is a passing play. It would be a passing play whether or not you stick Simon in there and the defense would know that.
That's the point. If you need passing plays and passing plays only.. try Simon.
Example: 12:33 in the 4th vs Iowa.. down 12-0. The running game not working. Monangai out. Wimsatt takes shotgun and fakes handoff to sideways running Young... NO ONE BOUGHT THAT handoff BS. Everyone figured we'd have to pass being down 2 TD scores. Maybe if Monangai was in teh D could have read it as a run or pass being 1st down... but they clearly read PASS.
And later.. when it was worst.. 15-0 and 22-0... of course we were going to pass, pass, pass.
What difference does it make if it is Simon back there or Wimsatt? You think they respected Wimsatt's scramble ability? Based on what?
At least I can understand the people who say they'll trust the coach's opinions... don't agree always... based on what I see. But that is rational. But.. this? This making up pointless points like the D would love to see Simon back there so they know it will be a pass? Silly.
you can't rationalize with these people. The cult is strong, Greg can do no wrong, his way is the right way and we need 5 more years to get to 8 wins
I am one of that cult... but he can, and has, made mistakes. Sticking with his first OC in both GS1.0 and GS2.0 are 2 of them. Understandable mistakes.. but mistakes. And this might.. MIGHT.. also be one. I don't see Simon in practice.. have no idea other than the good job I saw him do in Spring game in vs Wisconsin. And then I have to offer the "couldn't hurt" rationalization. When something is not working.. it couldn't hurt to try something else.
Besides.. what am I asking for really? A 10% change to test a theory? When the game is out of reach?
Couldn't hurt. A lot of teams do similar things.
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Ok, what’s an obvious pass down and distance? If you are only talking about 3rd and 10+, I don’t think ES want those snaps.
When it’s your team …it’s your team….let me know when you get your next job as a HC in D 1.
Again.. what does that have to do with a FAN DISCUSSION BOARD? How many people here want GS fired for any number of reasons? We also have people wanting his salary doubled.
It is a discussion board and from what I have seen of your arguments, I'm sorry counselor, you fail to persuade.
You sound like the proverbial town crier…Yes …he gets to say it’s how we run this program. Are you going to fire Schiano? No…like some others you actually think in your think skull you know the answers .Like I said several times before most , if not all are not qualified to determine who should or should not play. I would say less than you suspect understand why he is keeping Gavin back there and don’t want him gone. Guess what? …he ain’t going anywhere. Gavin has said” he doesn’t listen to the board criers”…smart young man.
Your example didn’t make sense. That’s why I asked for a clarification. Young did run for a 1st down on a third down play. Just because Iowa’s D is disciplined doesn’t mean it’s an OBVIOUS passing down.
So I guess all the teams that lost to Ohio State should fire their coaches.
In other words, every team that Ohio State has played thus far lol
Apparently way fewer people attended the Nebraska game last year than I remember.
Your logic is all over the place in a desperate attempt to win an argument. Let's agree to disagree. So far I still have seen no reason to believe Schiano will get above his ceiling in the middle of the pack. All the same weaknesses of Schiano teams are there.
We can all just rotate the various coaches through our programs, all us losers of games against OSU. I mean, if they win a natty this year, that would create a pretty long cycle of new coaches for each team in question. Would be what, 15 years before we wind up having a prior coach back again?
Are you not arguing GS should be canned? I mean you seem to have been pretty consistent on that for as long as I can remember.
Also, what is intended by middle of the pack? Is the expectation that RU is a regular top 5 team? As of the past few years, tOSU and UM are top 5, and arguably ranking below that would put us in the middle of our division. Of course, divisions go away next year and when the team does well next year I assume you will attribute that as to why.
As of right now with 14 teams in the conference, only 4 have more wins than us...now I am no math major but that would leave us at tied for 5/14. Is that middle of the pack?
IMO it's not his ceiling. It's Rutgers ceiling.
This school does not have the fan interest, infrastructure, history, or big-time donors needed to compete at the level of the 100,000 seat stadium crowd. And that was true even before NIH.
You gave examples to us but still don’t understand what he posted about the play.
Again, you're all over the place. I don't say Schiano should be fired. It won't happen anyway. But certainly contract extension and raise are absurd. Unless he can get out of mediocrity land options should be kept open for the university.
As for mediocrity I've already stayed it: we're ranked upper 40s and haven't beaten anyone better than 60. If that's not mediocre what is it? And this is classic Schiano: you will get few or any wins against good competition. You won't get wins against great teams. That's the epitome of mediocrity.
I disagree. His outmoded style of play is what imposes his ceiling. That and his poor ability to develop QBs, which seem to go hand-in-hand. If you can't develop QBs maybe you're forced to adopt a rushing first, safe safe safe offense.
So if you are the AD what would your plan and instructions to him be?
Again, if/when VT and NW exceed 60 will the discussion change? That would put us at, in your own words, 1/3 "good wins".
And, what is the expectation against the top teams? Literally one team (MSU 21) beat UM and Ohio State since 2020. Are all other 12 B1G programs "the epitome of mediocrity"?
no way...lol,
get a grip, there is so much wrong here
we don't need 100k stadium to reach upper echelons of cfb, we're in a hotbed of talent in this state. what we need is program that is committed to winning, a coach that isn't medicore and fans that demand more
we have no ceiling!
Hopefully the AD knows how to negotiate, though I suspect many don't. It's far too early to discuss extension and there's no need to. He has 4 more years. Unless word is going around that other employers are interested he's going nowhere.
How VT and NW are in the future has no bearing on how they are this season and have been for a while, which is pretty wobbly. VT lost to Marshall; Marshall was leading by 2 TDs going into the 4th quarter.
As for top teams, you skipped second tier teams, like Wisconsin and Iowa this year. We lost to both of them by multiple scores. Unless Schiano can beat teams like that he will be stuck below his ceiling, which is not high. If you're happy with that good for you. Most of college football though is not impressed with that.
Is that the example I gave? I think not.
I specifically said the END OF THE GAME. Or an end of a half. Example in previous game where we had 1st and goal and had time to try 2 passes only.
Really.. why must you force me to restate the obvious just to negate your silly "jabu package" comment.
You keep creating strawman arguments and ignore what was said.
You are dismissed. So is your "argument".
Pretty sure your 1st example says just that. But I’m fine letting it go. Think we can agree that we have a different view on rotating QBs in a game, especially for situational purpose.
Yet despite being in a hotbed of talent (debatable) why do so many highly rated kids leave NJ to play elsewhere?
I want some of what you're smoking.
Not enough Rutgers fans. A steady stream of this hotbed of talent heading for the Big Time programs elsewhere yearly. Also, that whole "program that is committed to winning" thing is another giant obstacle.
I am talking this season. Both VT and NW are likely to be 7-5 and meet your own standard of Massey Top 60. When that happens, will it then be Massey top 40?
Iowa is ranked #16 in the playoff poll. How are they "second tier"? Second to the top 10? Wisconsin would be as well had their QB not gone down.
This is the crux of the problem. It’s because the highly rated kids perceive better value for their skills elsewhere. This comes in the form of better facilities, better amenities, and better fan support. And now we have to add NIL to the mix.
You step foot on Michigan’s campus, you know why kids go there, rather than come to Rutgers.
This is where some of are fans are completely ignorant in this regard, yet keep spouting nonsense, expecting Schiano to recruit the best kids, despite not providing the support to do so.
As I never tire of saying, this problem is *not* confined to athletics. Too many smart kids go to schools out of state that are no better than Rutgers and cost a hell of a lot more.
Ask them.
Most of my friends who follow college football but are not really Rutgers fans are always amazed when a top NJ high school prospect does in fact pick the Scarlet Knights. The difficulty of recruiting NJ kids to stay home has always been extremely under-rated.
I can't believe I agree with Al. He's 100% right on this one.
BTW, you should hear what they're saying about the 2024 Rutgers basketball recruiting class.
I can't predict where VT and NW will land. Likely it will still be around 50 at best. Marshall beat VT. As for Iowa, are they top tier? Even in a good year would you put them with OSU, PSU and UM? No. The head-to-head games with better programs have ALL been losses. Whether close or not a loss is a loss. Until you win you haven't. If you're impressed by "sort of" close losses to good teams good for you. I assure the rest of college football is not