NBA Playoffs
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What was the score when he went out, and what was the final score?
How many games did Golden state win in 2022/2023 with Curry, and without Curry?
Obviously hes a great player and he helps them win. But hes had tremendous help every single step of the way. Whether it was Klay and Dray, or KD taking a paycut, or GSW purposely tanking to get high draft picks, or adding Jimmy Butler. His teams have almost always been .500ish teams without him.
They were up by 10 when he was injured and won by 11. In case you weren’t aware, plus 10 is better than plus 1. They were indisputably better when Curry was on the floor last night …the math proves it.
One would have to be an abject dullard to claim otherwise.
I mean, I see how you're adding it up in that way. In that sense they didn't get better, but they still technically beat the Wolves without Curry, winning by 1.
The warriors have 0 chance of winning this series if Curry is out any extended amount of time going forward. Just IMO.
There's another ongoing thread about him that is lunacy. The funny thing is, no one things he's anything less than a "great" player. Just that a lot of us don't think he's anywhere near some GOAT level. He's a very very poor mans Tom Brady, IN THE SENSE, that both of these guys constantly had a lot of things in place around them to win titles. Coaching, Defense, when they get injured their teams still remain around .500
Lebron is Lebron if he goes to any other team., hes dragging his team to the playoffs no matter who it is. Peyton Manning, kind of the same thing. If Curry was drafted by the Wizards or the Hornets, I'm not sure he's remembered for anything other than his nice run at Davidson. Probably a so-so career in the NBA, lot of missed playoffs. Great shooting still.. but, he'd be asked to carry a much bigger load and would subsequently wear out, he doesn't get KD to take a 35% paycut to help them builder a 2x championship super team..
Yes, by 1. But they were on pace for a 30-plus point win at the time he went out.
They did a damn nice job holding the lead without him. But it’s a lead they never would’ve had if not for Curry going off before his injury. It takes some painfully strained and dimwitted logic to claim them better without him last night.
Obviously they are better WITH him playing, you can say that about about pretty much every single starting player in the NBA.
My point is that Golden State doesn't "need" Curry the way LeBron and Jordan and Kobe were needed. Look at game 7 in Houston, he no-shows in the first half and Golden state still wins that game. They might have won that series if Curry didnt play a single minute.
It was a lighthearted way to say that hes a bit overrated when his team seems to be fine without him (same as the 2022-2023 season). Obviously we know hes important to the team.
I actually tend to agree with your overall argument. Nobody is going to say Curry isn't a great player, but Curry as your alpha makes your offense rather one dimensional. That's why they had to roll the dice on Butler. Jimmy's talents diversify that offense by a ton. Curry is one hell of a weapon, and he can throw an occasional dime, but outside of his shooting, his overall game leaves some boxes unchecked. They had to get Butler cause they needed a more legit alpha, and use Curry as a weapon.
You’re moving the goalposts and misrepresenting your prior words. That is not what we were talking about.
Instead, this exchange between you and I began solely in response to you presenting an argument “that Golden State actually was better without Curry in lmfao.” Those were your exact words, and they plainly contradict what you now say. Instead of just admitting you were wrong, you’re acting like you said something else.
And, fwiw, your new take is also silly and flawed. But I don’t feel like going down that rabbit hole now.
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Just had to jump into this thread. I usually don't pay any attention nor watch any NBA action... that said, this past season rejuvenated me both for the college and professional game. So I've been watching.
I must say I am impressed with the high level of quality these games have provided. Last night's game two betgween the Pacers and Cavs was epic. In fact, having seen both the pacers / Cavs games, those two games alone were taking me back to the NBA of the nineties, because those 2 games were great. Like Reggie Miller sinking the Bulls with MJ (Mitchell) scoring nearly 50 in a losing cause....
The playoffs aren't all about shooting 3 point shots and without any defense being played. I have to admit, it's been fun watching these games, I've no idea who is going to come out of it all, but if I had to pick one team to win it all that I would be cool with, I'd go with Oklahoma and SGA.
It's nice being able to see so many Kentucky players out there. High level NBA playoff action is definitely back on my menu. I suggest anyone like me that would otherwise not pay any attention .... don't miss the NBA playoffs this year. It's been hella' entertaining !
Go Big Blue !
I must say I am impressed with the high level of quality these games have provided. Last night's game two betgween the Pacers and Cavs was epic. In fact, having seen both the pacers / Cavs games, those two games alone were taking me back to the NBA of the nineties, because those 2 games were great. Like Reggie Miller sinking the Bulls with MJ (Mitchell) scoring nearly 50 in a losing cause....
The playoffs aren't all about shooting 3 point shots and without any defense being played. I have to admit, it's been fun watching these games, I've no idea who is going to come out of it all, but if I had to pick one team to win it all that I would be cool with, I'd go with Oklahoma and SGA.
It's nice being able to see so many Kentucky players out there. High level NBA playoff action is definitely back on my menu. I suggest anyone like me that would otherwise not pay any attention .... don't miss the NBA playoffs this year. It's been hella' entertaining !
Go Big Blue !
I don’t get the whole Halliburton is “overrated” thing from NBA players. Where is he rated? lol
He’s a point guard and he’s the best point in the league at 9+ assists and 1.5 TO’s a game. There isn’t another player that is even close on these numbers. And it’s not like the Pacers have a superstar that he dishes off to for guaranteed buckets each time down the floor.
He also gives you 18 pts a game on almost 50% shooting and a respectable 38% from 3. 85% on FTs rock solid.
Top 20 in league in steals
I just don’t get the hate.
Is he overpaid? Maybe.
But overrated? Laughable.
Go Pacers
Yep. Where is this list? There has to be a back story of where this anti-Haliburton stuff came from. Cause it doesn't exactly seem rooted in fact or measurables. My guess is that it's more behind the scenes personal beef BS. The guy isn't Tier 1, but he's a hell of a player, and a team first player. Zero "I and me" to TH the man. Haliburton is appreciated by the folks it matters to. Everyone else just sound like uninformed haters in a weird echo chamber.
It’s from some article in the Athletic. Apparently they did an anonymous poll of NBA players who voted Haliburton as the league’s most overrated player.
I don’t view it as particularly credible simply because of the “anonymous” part.
I think it comes from him having a breakout year and got everyone's attention then had a soso year to follow it. But that happens once you become the focus of the other team's defense.
Now he's adjusted to that and is playing well again. I'm sure there's a lot of jealousy because he was still getting the pub even when he wasn't playing as well.
But he's having the last laugh now. This is a good series. The Cavs aren't playing as well as they have for the season and Indiana is better than most thought.
I would like to watch the late games too but to halftime is about all I can muster now. I did see enough of the late game for Curry to leave. It didn't look as bad as some when it happened but it's over if he's done. Minnesota might beat them with Curry? But no way the Warriors win if Curry sits 2 or 3 games.
In the post you quoted of mine, did I not just admit that they are better with him in? They obviously are. Hes a great player. I just don't think hes AS good as some of you think. And I do find it funny to see his team basically be completely fine with out him for last night. Yes, I understand they likely wont win the series with him out and they will truthfully take a hit, at some point, if hes not available.
You spend far too much time trying to correct posters here, and its been such a weird habit of yours. This isn't the first time I've said this, that it almost feels like you have some weird axe to grind with UK fans.
Yeah, I know where it came from. I question the question. Pretty odd isn't it? Almost like they asked a couple dudes that were probably butt hurt over TH taking an Olympic roster spot. There's more to that story than just an odd random question, IMO. Sour grapes.
Just saw that Curry is out at least a week. That means he misses at least 2 games if not 3. I don't see how the Warriors can overcome that.
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I hate to say this.. again. But they almost literally won the game last night without him. They were +1 without him. And it was on the road. And they have 1 win padding them now.
Im sure the impact is great, and Minnesota will craft a different game plan.. so im certainly not picking GSW now (didnt even with a healthy Curry).. but they are up 1-0 and still have playoff jimmy.. and Minnesota looks plain dumb sometimes, with Ant Man sometimes not showing up.
Speaking of.. what was Golden States current seeding when they signed Butler? Were they a 9 seed or a 10 seed? Lmfao. This team wasn't making the damn playoffs if they didn't get Butler.
Mobley, Hunter, Garland being out for game 2 was the difference and the Cavs nearly won if it weren't for the buzzer beater 3. I'd be so annoyed if I were a Cavs fan. Such a good season on the brink of being over because of huge injuries.
They got out to 20 point leads, multiple times. They just choked.
Would they have choked with those starters on the floor?
I only caught thr very end of that game, so didnt see that ALL 3 of them didnt play. That's a big factor. That probably makes Cleveland go from being ghe best team in the east down to like 25 win team if you take them out.
Then explain game 1? Fact is, the Pacers are being undervalued and playing pretty well. And Atkinson, while having a fine regular season, is realizing that it's a different game now. Sure, blame the injuries, even though the scrubs put them into position to win handily. But a lot went into that choke job. Atkinson, and the Pacers to name a few.
These playoffs are also telling us just how important experience is (or lack thereof).. Look at Cleveland, but also Houston and OKC. I think we all said at some point "Are these teams going to actually be ready for the playoffs and 7 game series?".. so far, they aren't having the best showing.
...and I might add that Donovan got a whistle everytime he touched the ball. A quick, eager whistle. Think Silver wanted the #1 in the East going down 0-2, at home??
They certainly needed another body when they got Butler and were shopping. They got lucky that he's who they got. Who knows where they would be had they gotten someone else? Probably worse. But possibly better.
Curry is that team. He makes everything go. Butler has had the impact he had because of Curry.
Curry does everything. He had 10 rebounds in the closeout game against Houston. A lot of teams rise for a game, even 2, when their superstar gets hurt. But then reality sits in.
I mean, the Pacers definitely deserve credit for stealing 2 games and now can close this thing out at their place. Ultimately, the Celtics will be playing in the Finals again
Does Stephen A know that? I'd love to beat the Knicks and see his meltdown.I mean, the Pacers definitely deserve credit for stealing 2 games and now can close this thing out at their place. Ultimately, the Celtics will be playing in the Finals again
I figure Boston beats the pants off the Knicks tonight. And all the hand wringing about how they played game 1 will be forgotten.
Then Boston wins the series in 5 games.
Then Boston wins the series in 5 games.
I have nothing against Boston, and I think they'll win, but I hope the Knicks win. I want to Pacers to get another shot at them. I wanna see Brunson initiate contact, fall down flailing 8,632 times, cry. ... and then lose. Brunson is good, but his game is BS.
Damn, I went outside for a bit with the Celtics up about 15.
Just came back in to the Knicks up 1!!
Just came back in to the Knicks up 1!!
The lower seeded road teams are 6-0 in the conference semifinals.
That is an astoundingly improbable turn of events.
That is an astoundingly improbable turn of events.
Wouldn’t it be something for the Knicks and Pacers to play for the East title?
Who had that?
Who had that?