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Everyone can indulge in fantastical thinking, but this is what gets people soured on people who are doing their best with existing resources and the contingencies they are managing. I am delighted that Rhule is staying in Nebraska.
Maybe Kraft has a rabbit up his sleeve, but the most realistic options to take this job are Sumrall (though LSU and Auburn will be more attractive to him being from the south). Chesney, Key, (maybe) Lea, Campbell, Silverfield (though he likely sticks in the south). I seriously doubt that it will be a coordinator.
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Elko's buyout is $21,875,000. I doubt Kraft will write that check and double his salary. There is no amount of money that PSU can offer Elko that AM cannot double without blinking. Only thing PSU has going compared to AM is geography.
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We know the language of he contract; its widely reported. He has a duty to mitigate and future salary will offset what Penn State owes him. He is in line for the Auburn job and the VTech job should he want it. Penn State likely pays zero
If anything, Kraft has shown he will spend any amount of money. I think he’d pay it in a heartbeat if he wants Elko.
I know he’s looked great when he’s had Joe Burrow and Josh Allen. How has he looked otherwise? I’m asking honestly, I really haven’t followed his career path.
It would be a bloodbath if they waited. By then most of your talented underclassmen are gone, and you have no commits.
Actually, this is a very realistic take. Duke has a much lower ceiling than Penn State and Manny is competitive.
The only thing that is in the plus column for Elko coming to Penn State is geography. TexasAM has more money and is in a recruiting Mecca. Why the f***k would he come north to put out a dumpster fire. There is no dollar amount that PSU can offer that AM cannot double and not blink.Your logic is entertaining as usual. What does “Harrline” and other coordinators have to do with it? I’m sure Sexton has talked to us along with a dozen others on behalf of his client. The best we can get out of that is “yeah he’s interested”. But Elko would be a complete moron to agree to another coaching job before the playoffs are over and lose all leverage with us and A&M and anybody else that might be interested. Elko is trying to win a championship and has millions of dollars in incentives if he does. Plus millions of potential dollars from a new employer or his current employer. He’s all in on this year until they’re done and his situation might change in 100 different ways between our conversations with him and the end of their playoff run.
We would be monumentally stupid to wait until late January when every other option is gone just based on that “yeah he’s interested” conversation.
He simply cannot outbid TexasAM, that is a pipe dream, This is oil and gas money. Only chance PSU (and I do not think there is much of one) is if the geography issue is significant to his family.
When he went to TAM two seasons ago, he also inherited a “dumpster fire.” Also, coaches eventually are going to be hired to fill other “dumpster fires” at UCLA, VT, Florida, LSU, Auburn and Oklahoma State. You may think that it’s a “dumpster fire,” but a lot of coaches are going to consider it to be a tremendous opportunity and a chance to do what Saban did at Bama, Meyer did at OSU, Smart did at UGA, Dabo did at Clemson, and Harbaugh did at Michigan.
So, ask yourself: I have righted the ship and built a national championship level program to my liking. Am in a recruiting paradise. I have truck loads of money supporting me (endless supply), why start again when I can win the SEC and go to the playoffs now. Why would he go to a place where it is an uphill battle to win recruiting battles against OSU, Notre Dame and others with a much smaller recruit pool to work with? He is already in the analogous spot of Saban, Smart and so on.
Yes. There will be coaches who will take on a dumpster fire to improve their career trajectory? Why would you regress? Take money off the table because you will never pay more than TexasAM.
Geography? I do not know the man's family situation and that may be something that compels to make a change, but in terms of the profession he would be an imbecile to trade TexasAM for Penn State.
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My post didn’t mean to infer that I expect him to leave TAM to come to PSU. Rather, it was meant to point out that this job is going to entice a lot, and I mean, a lot of good candidates because you can win big here, as Franklin showed, and the right person can win championships here. Also, the right person if he does his job well and is given the necessary resources should be able to have this program winning big again in a couple of seasons.
There we do not disagree, but it is not going to be in a couple of years, unless you luck out with something analogous to what Indiana did with Cignetti. But that was either genius or dumb luck.
The reality of talent acquisition will be a massive hurdle though. Compared to Texas, Florida, California and generally the south northeast talent is shrinking year by year.
I would like the program to succeed, but the battle will be uphill, given how bare the cupboard is and will be for a bit. With rev share most programs are able to retain their top talent, so going the portal will not get you very far. It will take a few cycles.
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Yup. It’s dumpster fire late in the game with nobody left in the portal and none of his recruits coming along vs a blank check, loaded roster, and 200 blue chips within driving distance.
I don’t understand why it can’t be a couple of seasons when numerous other schools have turned it around in that same time span, like TAM after Fisher was fired. God, even in the non-portal era, it only took Franklin into his third season to win a Big 10 Championship, and that was when the sanctions should’ve had their biggest impact. I would take similar seasons as we had in 2012 and 2013 under O’Brien and then take the next step in that third season; to me that’s realistic. I don’t think that Kraft expects this to be a half decade rebuild and it shouldn’t be.
I have never seen that states by anyone that would know...if you have a link share it. I doubt his agent is that dumb.
I'm not but you believe what you want
Hopefully he doesn't get it but they've spoken to his people and the interest is sadly legit
I trust people that have been proven correct in the past and are close to the program. You just don't want to believe they'd hire him. I don't either. I think it would be a massive mistake but that doesn't alter what is happening. I love responses like this...as though I care if you think I'm wrong lol
I have no clue what "ehat" is in your sentence. Other than that, you are wrong, and now you are doubling down on being a boloney ***. lol..
Will take 5 -10 years just to catch USC, Oregon, OSU, MI, Iowa, etc.
Assuming good recruiting and great coaching.
Are Penn State graduates a bunch of turnip farmers or do some of them have a little money?
All this talk about oil money - hedge funders, for example, can buy and sell most oil barons nowadays. Hell, if Penn/Harvard wanted to return to glory, they would swamp places like A@M in a gusher of moolah. I’m sure Kraft can shake enough dollars out of pockets to be competitive.
Contrary to popular belief, neither Texas school (UT or A@M) can use its Permanent Fund (money from state oil and gas lands) for football.
Edit: now recruiting mecca, I’ll grant that argument. Texas, South Florida and California are the 3 consistent hotbeds of talent. That said, there’s a lot of Houston/Dallas talent that isn’t exactly enamored with hanging out for 5 years in that part of East Texas.
All this talk about oil money - hedge funders, for example, can buy and sell most oil barons nowadays. Hell, if Penn/Harvard wanted to return to glory, they would swamp places like A@M in a gusher of moolah. I’m sure Kraft can shake enough dollars out of pockets to be competitive.
Contrary to popular belief, neither Texas school (UT or A@M) can use its Permanent Fund (money from state oil and gas lands) for football.
Edit: now recruiting mecca, I’ll grant that argument. Texas, South Florida and California are the 3 consistent hotbeds of talent. That said, there’s a lot of Houston/Dallas talent that isn’t exactly enamored with hanging out for 5 years in that part of East Texas.
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If this is even remotely true, it tells me that someone in the process is diametrically opposed to hiring Meyer. You’re hiring a football coach, not a funds distributor. How a guy that won NCs with two different schools in two different conferences and raised another school’s profile out of relative obscurity can be rejected based on a single question about NIL boggles the mind. It also suggests to me that they have a "target" guy already and are waiting on his season to be over.This article popped up on my screen. No idea how accurate, but thought others might find it interesting:
Major College Football Program Reportedly Turns Down Urban Meyer for Head Coaching Job
Urban Meyer had his eyes on a college football return.sports.yahoo.com
Otherwise, this convinces me that this process is a “horse designed by committee” and the camel they’re going to eventually choose is going to be a disaster. If you thought LSU and Auburn were basket cases…Penn State says, “hold my beer.”
There is a lot of interest (desperation?) in Elko and he is a very good coach, but I am not sure that an undefeated season at this point 8 games in warrants going all-in on him. A&M was 7-6 in 2023 and Elko took over and made it 8-5 last year. It’s not the same level of turnaround as Cignetti had at Indiana where there was very little to work with. The ideas here to possibly sacrifice the entire program missing the signing and portal periods on a hope to try to land him if we can outbid his current very wealthy program seem crazy to me.
