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What changes by acknowledging it?

Penn State even got to play them minus Harbaugh in 2023 and at home. I don’t assume they were creating that game anymore. Penn State presented such little threat that I don’t believe Michigan threw a pass in the second half.
Michigan did not throw a pass in the second half of that game because they couldn’t stop the PSU pass rush in the first half. Saying Penn State posed no threat is absurd.
 

94LionsFan

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Smith allowed the same personnel and lack of downfield passing mistakes that Franklin had to continue for 3 games. His time management against IU was awful, we wasted 2 crucial timeouts, one on defense substitutions and one on offense when the clock was already stopped for a first down. The clock management cost us a huge opportunity on the last possession. I like Smith and hope he sticks around, but he's not ready for the head job.
The end of the 1st half was an absolute mess too and gave me flashbacks to the UCLA game. We started at the 25 with 2 timeouts and 0:38 left.

Grunk can’t find anyone so throws it to Singleton in the flat for 5, tackled inbounds at 0:30.

We hurry up to the line and don’t get the next play off until 0:19. You *have* to take a timeout after Singleton was tackled. 11 seconds wasted.

2nd down play is a pass to Dinkins for 4, tackled inbounds at 0:15. Timeout is taken at 0:09. 6 more seconds wasted.

3rd down is a run for 1, clock stops to move the chains at 0:05.

We hurry to the line and throw an 20+ out pattern that gets us to the IU 42 as time expires. Go to the locker room with 1 timeout unused.

If you assume the same sequence of plays, but a timeout called after the Singleton catch, we would have had time for 1, probably 2, more plays to get into FG range.
 
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donaldfair71

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You’re wrong. You said PSU was not a threat. A team does not drastically change their strategy at half time if the other team is not a threat.
It does if it feels like it needs to take zero chances putting the ball in the air to still win.
JJ was 7/8 in the first half with a sack. I don’t think it drastically changed strategy. I don’t think Michigan ever believed it had to score much to win because Penn State’s offense was so impotent. It wound up being right.
 

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That game was an embarrassment. Quit trying to shine a t***. That was an old fashioned a**kicking.
Michigan literally accepted run run run punt for 30 minutes (really, not much more aggression in half 1 either tbh) because Penn State’s offense was so bad. Revisionist History helps no one.
 
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LB99

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No portal transfer time with Asst Coaches 😔

The XM college football guys were somewhat talking about this tonight. They said it would be brutal for any school looking for a coach to wait on someone coaching deep into the playoff in January. You would effectively be missing out on the 2026 HS recruiting class and the first portal window. Their point was, if you think you have your guy, you better lock him up ASAP. If you wait for someone coaching a team that plays deep into the playoff, you better make a home run hire, because it’s a huge risk with the timeline.
 

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Disagree.
You’re only content to run run run punt if you believe the other team can’t score enough to beat you.
Or if the opponent can't stop the run effectively, which is what happened in this case. If memory serves it was Arnold Ebikete who was abusing UM's right tackle in that game early on, on every single passing down. UM started running a higher percentage in the first half and it worked so well that they barely threw the ball at all after halftime because they were churning out first downs on the ground. PSU couldn't stop it and not passing the ball at all obviously completely neutralized our pass rush which UM had no answer for.
 
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No portal transfer time with Asst Coaches 😔

I doubt Hartline would bring a ton of players with him anyway. Maybe he'd pull a couple of his younger WR recruits that are buried on the OSU depth chart, but the starters there would be crazy to leave given how OSU cranks out NFL talent at WR. That's likely to continue for the guys in the starting lineup even after Hartline departs as they are already developed and already have chemistry with Sayin. As for other positions, OSU being one of the top 2 programs in CFB right now means it will be very difficult to get players to transfer out. OSU has the money, success, coaching and NFL development reputations to keep their players. I'd be more concerned with Hartline's ability to manage a huge program given he has no experience with it, and his ability to hire a staff considering all of his experience is at one program and many of those coaches are probably unlikely to leave OSU.

All that aside, PSU is looking for a multi-year coach. Missing one class can be dealt with, if necessary. It's not ideal, but is less important than getting the right coach.
 
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LB99

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I doubt Hartline would bring a ton of players with him anyway. Maybe he'd pull a couple of his younger WR recruits that are buried on the OSU depth chart, but the starters there would be crazy to leave given how OSU cranks out NFL talent at WR. That's likely to continue for the guys in the starting lineup even after Hartline departs as they are already developed and already have chemistry with Sayin. As for other positions, OSU being one of the top 2 programs in CFB right now means it will be very difficult to get players to transfer out. OSU has the money, success, coaching and NFL development reputations to keep their players. I'd be more concerned with Hartline's ability to manage a huge program given he has no experience with it, and his ability to hire a staff considering all of his experience is at one program and many of those coaches are probably unlikely to leave OSU.

All that aside, PSU is looking for a multi-year coach. Missing one class can be dealt with, if necessary. It's not ideal, but is less important than getting the right coach.
It’s one HS recruiting class AND the first round of the portal you potentially miss out on by waiting until late in the playoffs to hire someone. Also, you are a program without a coach. What message does that send to players on the current roster and how many of them are you willing to risk leaving before a coach is even named? Who’s going to recruit them to stay? The lame duck coaching staff? Kraft? The guy that just fired the coach that recruited them that they loved? The roster could be gutted. Kraft needs to handle this the right way or this sets the program back multiple years.
 

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Isn’t the original post from a parody account?
There are so many parody accounts out there and I think this originates in such an account. But, in reading other better sources it looks like Brohm and Lea are heading toward contract extensions and out of the equation. It really leaves Drink as the non-playoff team head coach in terms of the best of the rest.
 
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donaldfair71

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Or if the opponent can't stop the run effectively, which is what happened in this case. If memory serves it was Arnold Ebikete who was abusing UM's right tackle in that game early on, on every single passing down. UM started running a higher percentage in the first half and it worked so well that they barely threw the ball at all after halftime because they were churning out first downs on the ground. PSU couldn't stop it and not passing the ball at all obviously completely neutralized our pass rush which UM had no answer for.
Don’t believe you’re talking about the same game. Ebikete was long gone by this game.
 

LB99

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It’s one HS recruiting class AND the first round of the portal you potentially miss out on by waiting until late in the playoffs to hire someone. Also, you are a program without a coach. What message does that send to players on the current roster and how many of them are you willing to risk leaving before a coach is even named? Who’s going to recruit them to stay? The lame duck coaching staff? Kraft? The guy that just fired the coach that recruited them that they loved? The roster could be gutted. Kraft needs to handle this the right way or this sets the program back multiple years.
Also, it looks like the spring transfer portal has been eliminated for football in 2025. Looking at the transfer portal dates for 2025. They are Jan 2-16. So, there would be plenty of time to utilize the portal if a coach was hired after the regular season concludes. If a coach isn’t hired until his team is eliminated for the playoffs or the playoff season is over, then the portal dates could be a problem. I do not know the exact rules on the portal when a coach is hired/fired with relation to PSU’s situation.
 
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LMTLION

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Also, it looks like the spring transfer portal has been eliminated for football in 2025. Looking at the transfer portal dates for 2025. They are Jan 2-16. So, there would be plenty of time to utilize the portal if a coach was hired after the regular season concludes. If a coach isn’t hired until his team is eliminated for the playoffs or the playoff season is over, then the portal dates could be a problem. I do not know the exact rules on the portal when a coach is hired/fired with relation to PSU’s situation.
When a new coach is announced it triggers a 15 day transfer portal window for that team. Playoff teams get a five day portal window after their last game, regardless of Coach.
But, in any case, as you indicated, the new system really makes it difficult to hire a playoff coach. It would be tremendous risk for Kraft to do so.
 
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I doubt Hartline would bring a ton of players with him anyway. Maybe he'd pull a couple of his younger WR recruits that are buried on the OSU depth chart, but the starters there would be crazy to leave given how OSU cranks out NFL talent at WR. That's likely to continue for the guys in the starting lineup even after Hartline departs as they are already developed and already have chemistry with Sayin. As for other positions, OSU being one of the top 2 programs in CFB right now means it will be very difficult to get players to transfer out. OSU has the money, success, coaching and NFL development reputations to keep their players. I'd be more concerned with Hartline's ability to manage a huge program given he has no experience with it, and his ability to hire a staff considering all of his experience is at one program and many of those coaches are probably unlikely to leave OSU.

All that aside, PSU is looking for a multi-year coach. Missing one class can be dealt with, if necessary. It's not ideal, but is less important than getting the right coach.
I am more interested for Hartline in what recruits he can flip rather than what existing players at OSU he can bring. Yes I doubt OSU starting WR's would leave. But if I am a top WR recruit I am looking awful hard at PSU if he heads there. I would want to be coached by Hartline. Admin wise he is type A personality. Those guys that really want to be a HC are always planning and have people in mind who they would want to be their coordinators and coaches.
 
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Seems to be a lot of smoke with AK interviewing for the UAB HC job. I would many of the PSU coaches should be making contacts about their future and where they want to coach next.
 
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I am more interested for Hartline in what recruits he can flip rather than what existing players at OSU he can bring. Yes I doubt OSU starting WR's would leave. But if I am a top WR recruit I am looking awful hard at PSU if he heads there. I would want to be coached by Hartline. Admin wise he is type A personality. Those guys that really want to be a HC are always planning and have people in mind who they would want to be their coordinators and coaches.
Why, unless they can bring in an elite QB to showcase my skills. Hartline does not develop QBs. That is Day and Fessler, and why would Fessler come when he has the opportunity to work with 5* QBs year in and year out.
 

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Why, unless they can bring in an elite QB to showcase my skills. Hartline does not develop QBs. That is Day and Fessler, and why would Fessler come when he has the opportunity to work with 5* QBs year in and year out.
Being a top notch recruiter he should be able to bring in a 5* QB. And top WR's will want to catch passes from a pro offense. Who said anything about Fessler coming? There are plenty of very good QB coaches out there, not just Fessler. Hartline I am sure already has coaches in mind for each position. Probably has given them a heads up that if he gets a HC position he will want to talk to them about moving with him.
 
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Being a top notch recruiter he should be able to bring in a 5* QB. And top WR's will want to catch passes from a pro offense. Who said anything about Fessler coming? There are plenty of very good QB coaches out there, not just Fessler. Hartline I am sure already has coaches in mind for each position. Probably has given them a heads up that if he gets a HC position he will want to talk to them about moving with him.
Why are you making that assumption? QBs at OSU go there because of Day not Hartline. Hartline is not developing that talent and unlike you I am not assuming he can bring in any top coaches with him to Penn State. Why would I make that assumption. He is a position coach with one year of OC experience under the control of Day and runs Day's offense. So, people are just going to jump on board because he recruited Jeremiah Smith? As I have said more than once, Hartline is the beneficiary of a superior culture. OSU recruits itself.
 
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Why are you making that assumption? QBs at OSU go because of Day not Hartline. Hartline is not developing that talent. As I have said more than once, Hartline is the beneficiary of a superior culture. Its easy to recruit for OSU.
As Dave Mason says... we just disagree. No worries, we shall see who gets the job sounds like Drink is moving up in the odds.
 

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I am more interested for Hartline in what recruits he can flip rather than what existing players at OSU he can bring. Yes I doubt OSU starting WR's would leave. But if I am a top WR recruit I am looking awful hard at PSU if he heads there. I would want to be coached by Hartline. Admin wise he is type A personality. Those guys that really want to be a HC are always planning and have people in mind who they would want to be their coordinators and coaches.
I simply do not understand the love affair some have with Hartline to PS as a HC. At best he's an at-risk hire a 50-50 hire. This is not the time for a 50-50 guy at all. As I've said before it's not going to be Hartline or they would have hired him already, he said if offered he would take the job. He like Meyer wasn't offered and imo won't be offered.