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KingLando

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Wait until some here realize that this is going to take a few years to rebuild to where PSU was recently. Will the new coach get a few years to do it or will the Fire Franklin crowd run him out of town also. I hope it doesn’t take long to rebuild but common sense says it will.
No program should take years to rebuild with the portal
This isn't the 80s or even a decade ago--coaches get 2 years in most cases.
 
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donaldfair71

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You neglected to point out Joe won two national championships and the case could be made for 3 more. So there's that. JF was never close to JP!
Winning national championships would have made coach Franklin above average too.
It’s not a straw man argument, it’s applies to the discussion about Franklin. He gets criticized for being loyal to his guys, but all coaches are and that goes back to Paterno, Bryant, and all the others.
If you’re looking for a blind Paterno lover, you’ll have to look at someone else.

I can’t judge blanket “this guy should have played over that guy” arguments without the specifics. I know we had 3 years of Koa Farmer and I know that at no point in either person’s career was he better than Micah Parsons.
 
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WVilleLion23

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That's the reality--not my reality.
With the portal, results are expected immediately. See what Cignetti, Smart and Lanning did.
Yes, and probably a combo of skill, good luck, etc., etc. That mindset is going to bite a lot of schools when they don’t give it 3-5 years.
 

Moogy

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I am looking at the numbers and I am not seeing top 7/8. Certainly nothing along the lines of "top 8 for a decade". He has 4 years of being unranked, and if you assign a ranking of 25 for each of those seasons, his average is around 15. That is being very generous.
Now do the other programs.
 

Itraindogs

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Only 2 yrs? 🙄🤪 Folks with that mindset are the problem.
Yes. Its called delusional thinking as if retreads from other programs will fill a roster that can compete with the likes of OSU. With revenue sharing most programs will be able to pay their best players so the ones going into the portal are those what could not see the field at their school of choice or if there was a coaching change where the fit was not there. People point to Cignetti as a outcome that can be replicated. Only way it is replicated is if you bring in a good coach with all his players from his previous school or if the cupboards are stacked with talent, not when your recruiting class will be abysmal for 2026 and your roster is picked over by other programs. That is not happening when you are looking at P4 coaches from strong programs.
 
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BCS PSU

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Yes. Its called delusional thinking as if retreads from other programs will fill a roster that can compete with the likes of OSU. With revenue sharing most programs will be able to pay their best players so the ones going into the portal are those what could not see the field at their school of choice or if there was a coaching change where the fit was not there. People point to Cignetti as an outcome that can be replicated. Only way it is replicated is if you bring in a good coach with all his players from his previous school or if the cupboards are stacked with talent, not when your recruiting class will be abysmal for 2026 and your roster is picked over by other programs. That is not happening when you are looking at P4 coaches from strong programs.
The qb that beat PSU today was one of those portal players who actually started for an ACC school last season. Where would IU be without him? Oklahoma’s qb played at WSU last season, and look how he’s transformed that program.

You definitely can get game changers in the portal. The new coach either is going to bring a qb and several other players with him, or bring in a qb from the portal who probably has started somewhere.
 
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Corner Room Breakfast

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The qb that beat PSU today was one of those portal players who actually started for an ACC school last season. Where would IU be without him? Oklahoma’s qb played at WSU last season, and look how he’s transformed that program.

You definitely can get game changers in the portal. The new coach either is going to bring a qb and several other players with him, or bring in a qb from the portal who probably has started somewhere.
Nothing wrong with Grunk, his receivers missed catchable balls, Indiana's receivers made catches of uncatchable balls.
 

donaldfair71

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Regardless, this program has absolutely zero depth at that position, so the new coach probably needs to bring in at least two QBs and three if Grunkemeyer leaves.
Yeah regardless of Gronk’s ability, they’ll need at least 1 portal qb. Will challenge to start and hopefully be viable backup if he doesn’t.
 
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Mufasa94

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I’m not the one who originally posted that. It was a Franklin hater. Reread the thread.
You are the one who used annually as a description for the rankings under Franklin.

I don’t have a problem with giving Franklin credit for his many good seasons. But, when Franklin lovers try and over inflate the amount of success PSU had under his leadership by using descriptions like annually and/or great, they should be ready to support their view.
 

LB99

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You are the one who used annually as a description for the rankings under Franklin.

I don’t have a problem with giving Franklin credit for his many good seasons. But, when Franklin lovers try and over inflate the amount of success PSU had under his leadership by using descriptions like annually and/or great, they should be ready to support their view.
I thought the same exact thing. He’s right, Franklin did put us top 8 for a decade.
But then that whole point nullifies the “Penn State is living in a Golden Age that doesn’t exist anymore” line of thinking.

Unless one thinks that James Franklin is the second coming of Lombardi, I can’t understand why some think we’re just so far removed from being annual contenders with a good hire. Last guy was average and the program was top 7-8.
 

WaffleShopper

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Louisville losing means they’re almost definitely out of the playoffs so I’d say it might be even more likely that we hire Brohm, not less. Also, Missouri is almost certainly out now as well so Drinkwitz should have plenty of free time to chat at the end of the month.