I don’t know if it will be Drinkwitz. However, he did beat OSU in a bowl game, and has shown the ability to recruit really good offensive skill players; two seasons ago and this season, he’s had one of the best running backs in the country, and last season, he had one of the best wide receivers in the country. Also, he’s at least built Mizzou into a very representative SEC team; I think that we all know that it’s unlikely that Mizzou ever is going to surpass Bama, UGA, Texas, OU, LSU, Tennessee and TAM on a regular basis. Finally, he must have done something right to come into Southeastern PA and get a star high school qb.Right now in MY opinion it's down to 3:
Drinkwitz
Brohm
Hartline
If I had to put percentage odds, probably 50 percent Drinkwitz, 40 percent Brohm, 10 percent Hartline.
It's going to be Drinkwitz. Again, I'm not thrilled about it. You fire Franklin to hire DRINKWITZ?
But at the end of the day he is probably as good as Franklin, and I think in 2 years we can possibly get back to 9-3/10-2 level teams. It's not a home run, it's a double inside the third base line
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So why do you assume that the new coach won’t be able to have 10 and 11 or even 13 win seasons? Who knows; maybe the new coach won’t be able to replicate what Franklin did. On the other hand, maybe he’ll be able to elevate this program into the next level on a consistent basis.
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Because winning 10 or 11 games isn’t as easy as many on here think it is and we’ll find that out.
Because winning 10 or 11 games isn’t as easy as many on here think it is and we’ll find that out.
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I agree with you in the expanded Big 10. However, before the West Coast teams were added, it also wasn’t the most difficult thing to win nine or ten games while playing a Big 10 schedule when you basically had much better talent than every team on your schedule except for one or two teams a season, and much superior talent than most of those other teams.
I agree with you in the expanded Big 10. However, before the West Coast teams were added, it also wasn’t the most difficult thing to win nine or ten games while playing a Big 10 schedule when you basically had much better talent than every team on your schedule except for one or two teams a season, and much superior talent than most of those other teams.
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Again, it’s a lot harder than you’re making it out to be and we’ll find that out.
I agree with your 1 and 2 but would sub Diaz for Hartline. They each have the capability of hitting 9-11 wins most years, like Franklin. They are insurance for filling the renovated stadium but not necessarily guarantees to become elite. Not sure we can afford to go high risk high potential reward with a Hartline, Chesney or Golesh. Guys like Chesney are much more likely to perform like Mike Rhoades than Cignetti.Right now in MY opinion it's down to 3:
Drinkwitz
Brohm
Hartline
If I had to put percentage odds, probably 50 percent Drinkwitz, 40 percent Brohm, 10 percent Hartline.
It's going to be Drinkwitz. Again, I'm not thrilled about it. You fire Franklin to hire DRINKWITZ?
But at the end of the day he is probably as good as Franklin, and I think in 2 years we can possibly get back to 9-3/10-2 level teams. It's not a home run, it's a double inside the third base line
OSU was decimated in that bowl game. Good win, but take it with a grain of salt.
I am sorry but I just don't see Drinkwitz fitting in the Northeastern US for a prolonged period of time, I'm willing to keep an open mind about him as a coach though. It's just that I've watched his teams in big SEC games and have come away unimpressed (eg- 2024 vs A&M and Alabama also, 2025 vs A&M and Alabama.) Hoping this does not upset anyone but if he is hired it just kind of feels like we're getting Franklin Lite at Penn State. The good news is he likely will not be getting a ten year extension. Hopefully, those days are over.
Beating OSU in 2023 puts him light years ahead of Franklin.
With respect if you have a chance please watch the highlights of the game. OSU had almost all of their starters opt out of the game.
CJF still would’ve found a way to lose to them
What we had for 3 seasons.
I don’t ascribe to that always being the case, as it always hadn’t been the case. This year it wasn’t going to be the case.
Six seasons including three in a row. We will never be a team that wins 10 or 11 games every year.
Historic data showed that Indiana never won a game at Beaver Stadium until they did.
Besides pointing out we know how ‘23 tOSU/PSU turned out, do you remember how the PSU bowl game also went?
I’ll concede that Penn State could beat Ohio State by 50 if you concede it night happen once every 14 times they play.
The danger in never beating the 2-3 best teams in your league every year is you have no margin for error because those 7-9 win seasons inevitably mean taking bad losses on top of the losses to the best. Creates a thin line to walk.
Always said if you go 10-2 it’s better to lose to average teams and beat the best. You not only wind up ahead of the best teams in the standings (think 2016, or Ohio State those years it lost to Iowa and Purdue but beat Penn State). You get a little bit leeway for the bad or not great losses.
But never ever beating Ohio State or Michigan? You have to be perfect otherwise.
Not since 2020 and that Michigan team had mailed it in. Face it, Franklin was poor versus the two best teams in the conference and that is how he generated his pathetic record vs top 5 and 10 teams.
Outside Covid, Franklin couldn’t keep a Michigan game in Ann Arbor competitive.
In 2016, 2018, 2022, the Wolverines beat the brakes of Penn State.
Then, once they actually got it all together as a program, Michigan started winning every game in State College as well. Guy just couldn’t solve the puzzle against anyone better than above average.
It’s one thing to correctly point out Franklin‘s flaws versus top competition. It’s unfair to not acknowledge the cheating scandal at Michigan.
What changes by acknowledging it?
Penn State even got to play them minus Harbaugh in 2023 and at home. I don’t assume they were creating that game anymore. Penn State presented such little threat that I don’t believe Michigan threw a pass in the second half.
I don't think that they did. They played without Harrison and of course their starting qb who had transferred to Syracuse. But I thought that the vast majority of their starters played in that game.
You indicate they got it all together as a program, but neglect to mention they only did so through effing cheating. They were fraudulent and if you look at the last 20 years, they were only “elite” when they cheated.
Had they turned around and lost in State College in 23, when that’s likely the absolute most certain we can be they weren’t cheating, I’m 100% on board with you.
That it looked like their previous trip to State College when they were stealing signs, even without their Head Coach, makes me believe the cheating impact wasn’t what made the difference. If you think so, that’s ok, can agree to disagree.
Yep.
I believe LB Eichenberger also opted out (he was a key player)
There was a lot of uncertainty leading up to the game that guys like Trayveon Henderson and others might opt out.
But pretty much all the rest played (and played a lot - unlike a lot of PSU guys who more or less opted out after dressing - playing just a few snaps in the PSU bowl game)
College Football Bowl Game Opt-Out Tracker (2023) | BettingPros
Box Score from the OSU - Missouri game:
Missouri 14-3 Ohio State (Dec 29, 2023) Box Score - ESPN
Henderson, Ty Williams, Sawyer, Stover, JT Tui (PSU offense wrecker) all played. But without McCord and Harrison the OSU offense was impotent.
Certainly not my 1st pick but I think he could stabilize the program fairly quickly. But stable was what we had with our previous coach.
I don't have a word on this, but it may be that the top three coaches at this point are Brohm Key and Drinkwitz in that order. Imo if they can't get Brohm or Key (not counting out Lea) then I would like to see the search drop down and take Golesh or Chesney with Diaz as a backup plan.
Yes, that game was played on Friday night and the Ole Miss-PSU game was played on Saturday, and the fact that almost all OSU players played and the PSU situation was handled so farsically made me so angry. I remeber thinkibng that love them or hate them, OSU just has a great culture in which the players really buy in more than PSU did.
How attractive is the LSU job? They are a mess lately with the governor getting involved and now this:
Well, it was your opinion, so you putting it out there lets everyone know what the worth of it is.
Drinkwitz would be a huge disappointment, IMO. Make the semis last year and fire James Franklin to hire a guy that's been 30-24 at Missouri? What's the upgrade there? Him and Kraft will get canned in 3-4 years.
At this point, take the risk on Hartline and see if he can hit his full potential.
At this point, take the risk on Hartline and see if he can hit his full potential.
Go hard after Brohm or Key, if they are no then Chesney or Lea. I think Golesh stays South.
Kraft going to make Elko say no more than once or twice, then Brohm is next is my guess.
I am personally not a huge fan of Lea after looking at his record. The justification to hire him is just this season, which isn’t even done. Franklin had a much better résumé coming from Vandy to PSU.
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Clark Lea - Wikipedia
Lea doing it at a much higher level SEC than Franklin had to face.I am personally not a huge fan of Lea after looking at his record. The justification to hire him is just this season, which isn’t even done. Franklin had a much better résumé coming from Vandy to PSU.
Clark Lea - Wikipedia
Lea is also doing it with a heisman-caliber QB transfer that was developed at another school. I agree with the above poster that the sample is too small yet on Lea. Let's see how he does next year without Pavia.
Brohm
Key
Hartline
^This is where my heads at right now. I could get behind any of those hires.
That's if Elko is truly off the table. And did anything ever come of the Brady speculation?
Brohm
Key
Hartline
^This is where my heads at right now. I could get behind any of those hires.
That's if Elko is truly off the table. And did anything ever come of the Brady speculation?