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Gee, name all these other programs whose former coach landed at another P4 job five weeks after his firing for $8.5 mil/year and an NIL Budget? ZERO - that's how many you freaking moron.
A week ago--the class fell apart LONG before that
Your inability to deal with reality is hysterical but also a genuine cause for concern
If he wanted to be a HC one day maybe he should have gotten on it before he was approaching 60 instead of spending his entire career coaching a position group. Hell maybe a DC job even? He was only passed over as DC 3 times in the last 5 seasons here.
You don't know who or what held classes together at other schools. Billy Napier and Brian Kelly not being in positions to poach their old classes certainly didn't hurt.
Golesh was a successful position coach in P4 for years and then was a successful offensive coordinator for Tennessee. He is a lot more qualified than Chesney for a power football head coach job.
He did't though--he spent his career as a HC at Gateway then was going through a normal progression. He clearly wanted to be a HC. He was prepared to be a DC though if we're being honest but he had high aspirations--listen to him.
Why does everyone act like Franklin signed with Va Tech a month ago--the class fell apart long before that.
Who's job was it? I feel like you're saying it was his job but he didn't care to do it.
No one's job. When you fire the HC and don't immediately name a replacement losing f'ing recruits is a risk you take. Terry can't offer any vision of the future for the program. Closest to being able to do that would be Kraft.
Let's not act like Franklin hasn't been in touch with people he needs to be in touch with in the meantime. You're not that naïve.
If he had high aspirations why hasn't he left for a DC job? He's been associate head coach through 3 DC replacement searches where he wasn't given the job. Passed over for outside hires each time.
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What a dip**** - accuses others of not dealing with reality when his response is utterly irrelevant to the question asked and is completely incomprehensible making no sense whatsoever relative to the REALITY of the question posed.
Only a moron troll like yourself can postulate that it makes no difference that the former coach who recruited all of the existing roster and 2026 class landed at another P4 Program paying him $8.5mm/yr with a REAL NIL Budget (unlike your fantasy bs NIL budget that you claim Terry Smith posseses) only 5 weeks after being fired. You telling others that they aren't living in reality is beyond rich. LMAO
It can't be no one's job. That doesn't even make sense
You risk losing recruiting when you keep a guy who just lost to UCLA and Northwestern. Everything is a risk but that doesn't alter Terry was responsible for maintaining the class.
I never said Franklin didn't do that--nor did I imply that. If Terry wanted the job, or even to be considered, he had to keep the class together. He failed--just like he did on the field against Iowa, Ohio State and especially Indiana....and Rutgers too if we're being honest.
Again, when did the kids decommit? It's a simple question
You aren't living in reality kiddo
Sure it can. If you're a car salesman and you work at a dealer where you have no inventory, it might still be your job to sell cars, but its not reasonable to expect big numbers out of you and your boss has put you in a position to fail.
So you agree Franklin's date of hire by VT is irrelevant since he was likely in touch with people prior.
Good Lord, you're such a laughable moron tool - your posing-troll act is beyond old douche. Nobody could be this consistently idiotic and an a-hole at the same time except a posing troll.
I do hope everyone who bitched about Franklin nonstop really enjoys how bad this may get. You all deserve it.
He had an inventory and failed--he wasn't put in a position to fail. See Florida, LSU, Arkansas, etc.
His date of hire isn't irrelevant because kids aren't just following him when he doesn't have a job.
And Terry should have been honest about James to keep them here but...
What's getting bad?
I also don't think many people complained about him nonstop--I didn't want him fired until he lost to Northwestern.
Had he fired AK after the Oregon game he might still have a job
I think it's funny you and other supposed Penn State fans are hoping it gets bad
I will take my chances. I was over BGJ’s act.
That wasn't directed at you and I don't want it to get bad. I said it may get bad, which is the reality of the situation. Penn State currently has the 121st class in the country and is looking at not have a HC in place for signing day. It's not great. Hopefully Kraft has something up his sleeve.
Had he hired Terry instead of Knowles as DC he might still have a job.
They're all going to cry about Franklin hiring Smith after Krafty The Clown chose not to give Smith the job. Somehow it's Franklin's and Smith's job to keep all the current players and recruits in place when Krafty said he didn't want them???? Just sadly laughable....
Why are you so worried about the 2026 recruiting class? The portal makes that irrelevant. Those kids weren't guaranteed to me here long term anyway.
It's a single class--it doesn't matter.
Terry wasn't capable of being the DC--you could argue he should have kept Tom Allen I suppose
Knowles wasn't why they lost to Oregon or Northwestern though
How would it have been Franklin's job? What? Stop drinking
When did Kraft say he didn't want the players?
He has no inventory. Inventory is the future. He has no future to sell. All he has is a bunch of deposits for a model that was cancelled with no replacement. You put the deposit down for a convertible? Well it might be that, or an suv, or a minivan. Just stick with us.
And the future is everything Penn State is--he doesn't need a coach--see LSU....see Florida
Explain how they did it...
There's no need to make excuses for Terry--he failed. Period.
Terry wasn't capable of being the DC 11 months ago but now he's suddenly HC material. ok.
Portal is unlikely to make up for what could be one of the worst classes in all of college football, plus the attrition we're going to see from our own, unless the new coach has a roster they're going to raid the **** out of. Not having a portal window after spring ball is going to hurt, and I'd rather the new staff not start in a hole.
It's much worse than that - he has no authority regarding the 2026 NIL Budget. Zero authority! It'd be more similar to expecting them to sell cars with ZERO AUTHORITY to agree to a sale price. So even if someone makes an Offer, they have to say, "I can't agree to that price.". And when asked, "What price can you agree to?" - he'd have to answer, "I can't agree to any price."..... prompting, "Why am I even speaking with you, do you even have any authority to sell me a car?" - drawing a response of, "No.".
I clearly don't like Terry (as HC material) so I'm not making excuses for him.
Florida and LSU are more attractive schools than Penn State and kids committed to the school vs the coach? How's that for a reason. Penn State not as attractive as everyone here seems to think it is. Franklin is a players coach and his recruiting classes tended to be full of kids who wanted to play for him. Hell he got Huhn on board with trolling Penn State tomorrow for his “announcement”
He's not...he thinks he is
You're being so dramatic here...no matter who we bring in...Hartline, Chesney, etc...the class be be decent enough with the portal. We don't need a spring portal. We'll have a coach announced before the fall.
2026 was always going to be a struggle...look at what we're losing and the lack of talent around them. This hire isn't for 2026. It's for the future.
Plus our schedule is awful next year. We should win 8 by showing up.
And Terry needed to be honest with the kids about James but he sided with James over the program he claimed to love
With that view then Chesney should have been hired couple weeks ago as soon as Elko dropped out. Just leave immediately and forget your team. JMU has another game to play. How is letting him finish the last game any different from him finishing games 9-12 for example? If Chesney is the guy a deal has been in the works for a couple weeks. You make it sound like he won't start until February.
Step back from the ledge! Get the right hire and we will get meaningful contributors that portal IN. I’ll give you that we lose out on a good recruiting class, but each year about 2 - 3 kids burn shirts and make somewhat meaningful contributions. The portal has made recruiting classes largely irrelevant. Kids transfer in and out each year.
A guy like Hartline likely doesn’t bring anyone from OSU bc he doesn’t want to burn bridges. But his tenure there has created tons of relationships with kids that went elsewhere for whatever reason. Suddenly he is the head guy at a school with maybe 90 open seats. Talent that is ready to contribute right away will come.
im not here to argue if this was Terrys job or not. Supposedly our NIL collective told the commits to look elsewhere. Some might say that’s indicative of knowing that the new guy is bringing his kids with him. Some might say it’s because they want the new guy to make his own decisions on who is offered. Since I think it’s Hartline and he won’t be bringing anyone with him, I am inclined to believe it’s the latter.
I love how everyone thinks the portal is this magic recipe for success. As Saban said a few weeks ago, you can’t live in the portal and have long term success. The portal is beneficial to help booster a roster than needs a player here and there or add depth. Thinking you can assemble an entire roster of portal players and win gets you Colorado like results.
What about Indiana? I have been under the assumption that Indiana’s success was 97% portal, 2% perspiration, 1% inspiration.
Why would Diaz leave a football powerhouse like Duke for Penn State?
Worst than being sold that we are a top 5 team and lose to UCLA and NW? That was rock bottom