New coach

[PSUFTG]

The thing that amazes me:

So many people did not expect this to degenerate into the show it has now clearly become.
That is amazing, to me.

What will not amaze me:

When a hire is eventually made (yes, Virginia, there will be a hire made), no matter who it is, the prevailing wisdom will be "What a great hire!"
Such is the nature of fandom.

 

[LB99]

We won't know for a few years, regardless of who is hired. It could have been Meyer, Deboer, Rhule, Hartline, Sitaki, etc., the answer is the same. You can't determine if the coach was a good hire from tweets and PR, we don't know until he completes a few seasons and we can see the results.

Me either.

 

[Alphalion75]

The thing that amazes me:

So many people did not expect this to degenerate into the show it has now clearly become.
That is amazing, to me.

What will not amaze me:

When a hire is eventually made (yes, Virginia, there will be a hire made), no matter who it is, the prevailing wisdom will be "What a great hire!"
Such is the nature of fandom.

No Surprise here.

 

[wptlion]

The thing that amazes me:

So many people did not expect this to degenerate into the show it has now clearly become.
That is amazing, to me.

What will not amaze me:

When a hire is eventually made (yes, Virginia, there will be a hire made), no matter who it is, the prevailing wisdom will be "What a great hire!"
Such is the nature of fandom.

But why has it turn into a "**** show"? The only thing that has made it a "**** show" is rumors.

 

[Psumatt85]

Terry Smith is an absurd hire if you fire Franklin mid season. This class is already gone so it doesn't matter. Take a bigger swing.

Is there one left?

 

[PSUFTG]

Terry Smith is an absurd hire if you fire Franklin mid season. This class is already gone so it doesn't matter. Take a bigger swing.

Mighty Casey has had two months to take "big swings" (Hell, the only reason you fire a coach mid-season is so that you CAN get the jump on everyone else. And you better make huge use of that head start - because when you do the mid-season canning you take on a hell of a lot of downside in recruiting and other areas, as has been clear to everyone).
So, what good did that two month head start provide?

 

[doctornick]

I think a bigger swing was taken...and missed.

Which is fine. Swing for the fences. If that doesn't work, then you go with Plan B (or C, etc) and get someone in place. But all that happens in November and you need to be fully set to hit the ground running to announce the day after the season ends.

 

[doctornick]

No Surprise here.

I'm not surprised a "home run" wasn't signed - I never really thought that was in cards. but I'm shocked that we haven't announced anyone yet. I assumed we'd get a modest/uninspiring choice but they'd be in place on Nov 30.

 

[PhillyBillyReprise]

2-3 years. If you can find a guy who doesn't make a bunch of dumb decisions in games and isn't afraid to get rid of the country club culture, improvement shall be quick and imminent.

Any current candidates appear to have these qualifications? And will they come to Pennn State?

 

[doctornick]

But why has it turn into a "**** show"? The only thing that has made it a "**** show" is rumors.

It turned into a shitshow because it is December 2, signing day is tomorrow, and Penn State doesn't have a Head Coach.

Timing matters. You announce a new head coach the day after the season ends.

 

[LB99]

2-3 years. If you can find a guy who doesn't make a bunch of dumb decisions in games and isn't afraid to get rid of the country club culture, improvement shall be quick and imminent.

That’s pretty optimistic.

 

[fastlax16]

It turned into a shitshow because it is December 2, signing day is tomorrow, and Penn State doesn't have a Head Coach.

Timing matters. You announce a new head coach the day after the season ends.

I'm honestly wondering what the odds are that a search for a new AD is about to start. It's greater than 0.

 

[Chumboshifko1]

What we know from 135 pages:

Franklin was a bum who deserved to be fired;

No one here knows who will be hired;

That includes the Mushroom Man;

135 pages have been wasted on agonized speculation.

 

[fastlax16]

What we know from 135 pages:

Franklin was a bum who deserved to be fired;

No one here knows who will be hired;

That includes the Mushroom Man;

135 pages have been wasted on agonized speculation.

We know there's a contingent that will spin absolutely any hire into a home run.

 

[Alphalion75]

I'm not surprised a "home run" wasn't signed - I never really thought that was in cards. but I'm shocked that we haven't announced anyone yet. I assumed we'd get a modest/uninspiring choice but they'd be in place on Nov 30.

No surprise for me. Look at all the cluster f's that Penn State has had over the past 2 decades. From scandals to financial and fiduciary irresponsibility. No bizarre news stories coming out of State College amaze me anymore.

 

[Catch1lion]

BYU saying no way

 

[NOYDB]

Everybody: Man Kraft has been too quiet we need something leaked

First day something gets leaked everybody wants him signed within 2 hours or Kraft is a failure holy **** you people are nuts and some of you are so entitled you think Penn State deserves Kirby Smart or you’re not satisfied. There were no home run hires this cycle besides maybe Kiffin who has never won anything significant.

Some of these people that thought Franklin was great yeah that’s why LSU, Auburn, and Florida wanted nothing to do with him and he had to settle for Virginia Tech. Also not worried about Penn State losing these kids this was shaping up to be one of the worst classes in awhile for us. It was probably going to finish in between 20-25th ranked wise

Hope everyone reads this twice.. Bunch of pansies

 

[doctornick]

I'm honestly wondering what the odds are that a search for a new AD is about to start. It's greater than 0.

I am honestly perplexed. This isn't some crazy complicated process. Find the best candidate then hire him when the season ends. He had like 7 weeks or so, plenty of time to feel out everyone and see what could happen. I'm sure he talked to the likes of Urban Meyer and it didn't work out so fine. But by about mid November you surely had a list of 2 or 3 "sure thing" guys that you could definitely sign if nothing else and you grab one of them.

No one would be complaining if they announced Chesney yesterday

 

[BobPSU92]

Hope everyone reads this twice.. Bunch of pansies

I know I am, but what are you?

 

[doctornick]

Everybody: Man Kraft has been too quiet we need something leaked

First day something gets leaked everybody wants him signed within 2 hours or Kraft is a failure holy **** you people are nuts and some of you are so entitled you think Penn State deserves Kirby Smart or you’re not satisfied. There were no home run hires this cycle besides maybe Kiffin who has never won anything significant.

Some of these people that thought Franklin was great yeah that’s why LSU, Auburn, and Florida wanted nothing to do with him and he had to settle for Virginia Tech. Also not worried about Penn State losing these kids this was shaping up to be one of the worst classes in awhile for us. It was probably going to finish in between 20-25th ranked wise

Kraft is a failure because it is December 2 and we don't have a head coach. You absolutely should not be "negotiating" with anyone now. you are announcing the guy you signed last week.

 

[Bison13]

Whats Sekrah think?

 

[doctornick]

No surprise for me. Look at all the cluster f's that Penn State has had over the past 2 decades. From scandals to financial and fiduciary irresponsibility. No bizarre news stories coming out of State College amaze me anymore.

I suppose that is true. But Kraft seemed pretty normal for an AD (and has been doing that job for over a decade) so I figured we'd get something pretty standard from him.

 

[PSUFTG]

But why has it turn into a "**** show"? The only thing that has made it a "**** show" is rumors.

Rumors?

1)
Meyer
Cignetti
Chesney
DeBoer
Riley
Lea
Freeman
Hartline
Campbell
Rhule
Dykes
Elko
Sarkisian
Dillingham
Morris
Fitzgerald
Brady
Kiffin
Drinkwicz
Stein
Sumrall
Golesh

Most of them, obviously, like a Kid's Santa Wish List. But, certainly, a lot of whiffs as well. Obviously.

But the fact remains, despite a two month head start, PSU is now left as the Charlie Brown on Halloween, looking into his sack and trying to justify "I got a rock" Sitake as the A-Lister they wanted all along (FWIW, not to disparage Sitake - who I think is a perfectly fine coach..... at BYU).
And, if not him, do the same with Brohm, or Golden, or whomever is next - KC Keeler?
(It surely won't be Terry Smith - which is a whole 'nother set of issues and problems)


2)
A "fired-head-coach-loyal" infrastructure left behind to raze and loot, while the new competitor sets up shop down the street - with no guardrails or foresight mitigation from the administration.


And, of course:
3)




And that's just the tip of the iceberg(s).
Many of those icebergs, of course, had been in place and growing for many months - even before (VT)HCJF was canned. But that is a whole 'nother chapter.

Peace, out.

 

[Nitt1300]

I suppose that is true. But Kraft seemed pretty normal for an AD (and has been doing that job for over a decade) so I figured we'd get something pretty standard from him.

 

[PSUFTG]

I suppose that is true. But Kraft seemed pretty normal for an AD (and has been doing that job for over a decade) so I figured we'd get something pretty standard from him.

Did you ever look at his track record? Just curious - seriously.

 

[VT00]

Whats Sekrah think?

Lol. Just looked. He insists it's still Sitake.

 

[VT00]

135 pages have been wasted on agonized speculation.

Oh come on. It's a CFB internet forum. What fun would it be if everyone posted nothing but verifiable facts?

 

[PSUForever]

I never said I opposed the Franklin firing genius but he’s gone now and Kraft said he fired him for not winning Big and National Championships and that the fans deserve a Natty so excuse me for having the temerity to think he should live up to that big talk with his coaching hire.

So are you giving Kraft 12 years like you gave BGJ and will you defend him incessantly like you did BGJ?

 

[JVP_Yahweh]

Whats Sekrah think?

 

[JoePaMajorCFBrecord409Ws]

I'm honestly wondering what the odds are that a search for a new AD is about to start. It's greater than 0.

The President/BoT need to step in, fire Kraft immediately and name Terry Smith the new HC. They can also announce the search for new AD and the likely timeline involved.

 

[PSUcup]

BYU saying no way

I’m starting to the think that if he were truly staying at BYU that would be been made public today …

 

[PSUFTG]

I'm honestly wondering what the odds are that a search for a new AD is about to start. It's greater than 0.

Agreed, with the caveat that:
Thanks to the latest contract, it would cost another wheelbarrow full of money onto the bonfire - and it surely wouldn't get "mitigated".

Aside from that, and the new PSU Culture, I think it might be well over that "0". Heck, it might have already happened.

 

[JVP_Yahweh]

Rumors?

1)
Meyer
Cignetti
Chesney
DeBoer
Riley
Lea
Freeman
Hartline
Campbell
Rhule
Dykes
Elko
Sarkisian
Dillingham
Morris
Fitzgerald
Brady
Kiffin
Drinkwicz
Stein
Sumrall
Golesh

Most of them, obviously, like a Kid's Santa Wish List. But, certainly, a lot of whiffs as well. Obviously.

But the fact remains, despite a two month head start, PSU is now left as the Charlie Brown on Halloween, looking into his sack and trying to justify "I got a rock" Sitake as the A-Lister they wanted all along (FWIW, not to disparage Sitake - who I think is a perfectly fine coach..... at BYU).
And, if not him, do the same with Brohm, or Golden, or whomever is next - KC Keeler?
(It surely won't be Terry Smith - which is a whole 'nother set of issues and problems)


2)
A "fired-head-coach-loyal" infrastructure left behind to raze and loot, while the new competitor sets up shop down the street - with no guardrails or foresight mitigation from the administration.


And, of course:
3)

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And that's just the tip of the iceberg(s).
Many of those icebergs, of course, had been in place and growing for many months - even before (VT)HCJF was canned. But that is a whole 'nother chapter.

Peace, out.

Aren't the Ragin Cajuns the Alma mater of Mr James Carville?

 

[PSUForever]

Mighty Casey has had two months to take "big swings" (Hell, the only reason you fire a coach mid-season is so that you CAN get the jump on everyone else. And you better make huge use of that head start - because when you do the mid-season canning you take on a hell of a lot of downside in recruiting and other areas, as has been clear to everyone).
So, what good did that two month head start provide?

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Franklin had become toxic and an absolute laughing stock. No one respected him. He had to go immediately. No way we are finishing 6-6 with BGJ. 3-9 was staring us in the face. We didn't lose anything by canning BGJ in October. Recruits would have all decommitted the second he was canned so at this point if we fired him Sunday we would be in the middle mass exodus.

 

[JoePaMajorCFBrecord409Ws]

We know there's a contingent that will spin absolutely any hire into a home run.

We also know that PSU is getting ready to see their whole playing roster and recruiting class evaporated with nothing to replace them as we enter the early signing period. Something that has never happened in Major College Football, let alone to one of the blue-blood P4 programs. Nothing to worry about there???? He's correct that no one knows who will be hired.... - the problem is that this includes Krafty The Clown.

 

[PSUFTG]

So are you giving Kraft 12 years like you gave BGJ and will you defend him incessantly like you did BGJ?

In fairness to Bville:

Even the most negative folks towards (VT)HCJF would have to admit that (VT)HCJF built up a massively - MASSIVELY - larger body of success throughout his tenure to provide him with some spending capital, and buy him more time and leeway... than has ADPK.
Obviously.

 

[fastlax16]

Agreed, with the caveat that:
Thanks to the latest contract, it would cost another wheelbarrow full of money onto the bonfire - and it surely wouldn't get "mitigated".

Aside from that, and the new PSU Culture, I think it might be well over that "0". Heck, it might have already happened.

we saved wheelbarrows of Franklins. How high is Krafts buyout?

 

[PSUForever]

We know there's a contingent that will spin absolutely any hire into a home run.

Who did you want to hire?

 

[PSUFTG]

Franklin had become toxic and an absolute laughing stock. No one respected him. He had to go immediately.

That argument can be made (as you just did), but that it is not the issue at hand. Obviously.

 

[Auxgym]

I'm honestly wondering what the odds are that a search for a new AD is about to start. It's greater than 0.

I just laugh that we are now going to start throwing the AD under the bus because a current Bear Bryant isn’t really interested in the PSU job. Why would a current successful Coach sign up for the visuals that the outside world just saw Franklin go through if they are getting paid where they are? Franklin couldn’t even walk off the field with out verbal assault. Obviously, it’s not about just how much money a Coach could make at PSU. If it was a new Coach would already be on board.