Obviously he blew it with the handshake offer. Plus it took to long to get to Sitake. Didn’t have the guts or instincts to go with a lower level coach or a Power 4 coordinator.
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Debatable. The tacit expectation was that with the opening of the PSU job, successful coaches would simply line up to take the job. When this started and Elko's name was put forth as the plan A candidate, I just scratched my head. Why would Elko give up a top 10 program with abundant resources in the middle of recruiting Mecca to go to Penn State? It made zero sense, except that he had ties to PA, unless the valuation of the PSU job was simply incorrect. I believe it was and remains incorrect.
Campbell was a name I had heard from many competent people. with a high football IQ, who thought he would be an excellent fit for PSU, IF he would leave Iowa St. But many looked down their noses at him. Chesney as well.
At the end of the day, we will see if the brand is valued by the industry as highly as it is valued by the Penn State fans. I suspect not.
Any reasoning behind Kraft not being willing to hire Campbell?
This all seems plausible and fits. What is crazy is that Kraft didn't get an official/signed/final deal with Sitake before this past weekend. That is malfeasance enough that if Sitake refused to finalize before this week, you have to move on to another candidate. You literally do not let this past Sunday come without a person 100% signed and delivered. Better to take a "weaker" candidate that is confirmed than someone still up in the air.
All true, but deeper coffers can still persuade, especially with offering more for assistants and players. Penn State will always have deeper pockets than ISU, plus it offers an easier path to the cfb playoffs. Now, maybe Campbell is more than content to stay put in Ames…more power to him if that’s the case. But if he wants a far more legit shot at earning a ticket to the dance, then the extra $$ will hold the weight it intends.
They should be going hard for Campbell. He's from Massillon, Ohio. So his roots are relatively close to State College.
You might be onto something, Bob.OBVIOUSLY., Kraft is an indiana plant to sabotage our football program. Look at our program right now versus iu with cignetti. Coincidence? OBVIOUSLY.
Kraft, Knowles. The b1g is out to get us.
Not a big enough splash and marginal success at a marginal school. Just a hint you can't carry Kraft's ego in a dump truck.
Because he was trying to hit it out of the park not being astute enough t to realize there were no realistic homerun hires in this cycle. Risk averseness crippled this search.
There's blowhard idiots in every fanbase. They are often "loud" on the internet. But I don't think the bulk of PSU fans around would have actually questioned someone like Chesney or Campbell when other comparable schools are signing guys like Sumrall, Golesh, Silverfield, etc
I don’t buy the notion that Franklin called Sitake and trashed Penn State. Any severance agreement includes a non-disparagement clause and it works both ways. The guy in the video claims that it is a “fact” he did this. If so, Penn State could easily claim millions in damage against Franklin.
I would not doubt that Franklin is doing this stuff through intermediary, but there is no way he is having direct conversation conversations with anyone that would be traceable and could get him in a legal bind. Zero chance.
Talk about a real life Hollywood ending!!I’ve been following psu boards for years but I never post anything. I just heard something on the Sirius XM college football show, which I’ve been listening to intently all week, that made me chuckle.
Rick Neuheisel literally just said he’s so frustrated with the Psu coaching situation, that he’s about ready to jump in his car, drive to happy valley, ask for an emergency meeting with PK and say (verbatim)“Pat, let me do this. I can help get you out of this position you’re in. I got this thing.”
Dead serious. After all the play he’s got on these boards over the years, wouldn’t that be the most epic and comical outcome that could ever be imagined in this situation? Can someone who lives in town start canvassing the Tavern over the next couple days just to see if this has legs?
If he were going all in with Sitake, I don't see why Campbell would be any different. Pretty much the same caliber.
(This is all presuming Campbell would want the job; I hope he does)
What happened to "Show me the money!" Chesney took less money because his agent said no? Yeah right. If true, Chesney needs to get a new agent like Jerry Maguire.
Which is crazy to me. I would've been psyched with Campbell since the start. He's such a great evaluator of talent + he has great schemes. His NFL player development is so under the radar too: Brock Purdy, Breece Hall, David Montgomery, Charlie Kolar, Xavier Hutchinson, etc.
His RB development could also be a major green flag for Kemon Spell.
Yeah, I'm now convinced Kraft was in on the blade of grass somehow. Either in on it or definitely enjoyed the outcome of it.
Franklin happened to Chesney and every other person known to be interested in the Job. Word is Franklin had direct conversations with most of them lamenting Kraft and the entire hierarchy at PS. Lamenting in it's context here is a polite term to how those conversations went.
It doesn't sound like "took less money" as much as "got tired of waiting and being dicked around and went with the bird in hand"
Like I said, we'll see. If any school has big boosters and I'd guess even ISU does, they are all prepared to go to the well for more cash. Average coaches are getting extensions and more cash after average seasons just due to the mere threat penn state might make a call.A lot of Mormons in Iowa?
I doubt he does for his own personal reasons but anyone taking this job now is walking into a dumpster fire, a huge detriment to hiring anyone at this point.
If we took Campbell, I'd almost feel bad for ISU. First Cael then him??
So, the end of the season, as in after the bowls? They may be playing in the Liberty Bowl on Jan. 2nd. If they started talking to him on Jan. 3rd, they would miss the portal window.
BGJ was arrogant, self centered, and thin skinned.
Or the agent trashes PSU and convinces his client why we're huge pricks etc etc. Like lawyers have never sold people out, let alone agents.
I get that it absolutely looks like a dumpster fire from afar, but the bigger picture (considering the resources available to improve - stadium upgrades, NIL streams, etc) shows a legit top 10 destination. A good coach will see the diamond beneath the turd, especially considering that we’re in this position because we wanted to go from good to great.
Define "new". I frequented the McAndrew board when it was part of plotit back in 1993. So I would guess that I was probably one of the first posters back when Tom started. But when the test board got removed and BWI sold, I stopped frequenting it. I just re-joined under a new name a few days ago because my old password wasn't working and my old email account used to reset has gone by the wayside. So I haven't made a mental note of the inclinations of certain posters and I am unaware of your reputation.
So with that in mind, I don't disagree with that Kraft has dropped the ball. I just see some folks are Franklin-apologists and I was curious which camp you were in.
I whole heartedly agree but I caution folks in the short term on the NIL. I'm just saying some bigtime Boosters are not happy right now.
I am suggesting that no matter how the hire turns out I think Kraft will be gone or a bunch of money is going to evaporate. Not a good thing when you just went in debt to the tune of 750 million bucks. People with money get very uneasy when what they support is being trampled in the national press.
Yep. There were several people mentioning those names (Chesney, Campbell, Brohm, etc) as the best options while others that pretended to have inside information were laughing at those options and saying we’re working on a deal with Elko. Fascinating that so many people can’t just use common sense and when they hear something they believe it.
The funny thing is some of those same people that were ridiculing the Chesney/Campbell/Brohm options are now trashing Kraft for not hiring them.
All the facts? We dont know any of the facts. Which of course is why we have rampant speculation and rumors. I get we arent owed anything by Kraft but the silence also allows for all of this.
It’s amazing where WE ARE! in the coaching search now versus 2012 and 2014. In 2012, we were dead and were still able to land FLO. , a well-regarded coach under belichick for the all-word Patriots. In 2014, we were just slightly less dead and were able to land Franklin, who was atop most experts’ lists of the next great coaches.
Is Penn State’s standing and BRAND. really worse now than in 2012 or 2014? I think what WE ARE! seeing is just a plain mishandling of the search by Kraft rather than a broad view that Penn State is not a destination, not a strong brand, etc.
, a well-regarded coach under belichick for the all-word Patriots. In 2014, we were just slightly less dead and were able to land Franklin, who was atop most experts’ lists of the next great coaches.Is Penn State’s standing and BRAND.
really worse now than in 2012 or 2014? I think what WE ARE! seeing is just a plain mishandling of the search by Kraft rather than a broad view that Penn State is not a destination, not a strong brand, etc.
Hilarious.I’ve been following psu boards for years but I never post anything. I just heard something on the Sirius XM college football show, which I’ve been listening to intently all week, that made me chuckle.
Rick Neuheisel literally just said he’s so frustrated with the Psu coaching situation, that he’s about ready to jump in his car, drive to happy valley, ask for an emergency meeting with PK and say (verbatim)“Pat, let me do this. I can help get you out of this position you’re in. I got this thing.”
Dead serious. After all the play he’s got on these boards over the years, wouldn’t that be the most epic and comical outcome that could ever be imagined in this situation? Can someone who lives in town start canvassing the Tavern over the next couple days just to see if this has legs?