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Next B1G coach in the hot seat: PJ Fleck

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GoodOl'Rutgers

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well he learned from GS, right? who, we are told over and over.. makes life hell for assistants.. demands too much, etc. (to be clear, I don't care... coaches coming here and thinking they don't have to out-work the competitors poaching New Jersey for decades... they are teh out-of-touch ones... and "toxic" is way over-used. Let us see if the reason these words are bandied about is because someone wants teh media thinking a certain way when they try to cash in with a lawsuit).
 
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MrsScrew said:
Read the article.....the players thought F.AM.I.L.Y. was a bad thing
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seems like some ( if I'm interpreting F.A.M.I.L.Y whine right) were complaining about putting team success before individual accomplishments and now because of clapping claim I'll always think about this song when PJ's name comes up

 
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mdk02

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Wonder how many of the anonymous players were starters. Wonder how many teams DON'T have the equivalent of the Fleck Bank.
 
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MrsScrew said:
So, to answer my original question, you believe the players are too soft? ( I am inclined to agree with that)
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Combination of too soft and too easy to get payouts. Millennials set the table and GenZ is getting a full buffet
 
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Perhaps letting players play who failed drug tests is a problem. Depends on what the facts show.
The rest of it sounds like players who misunderstood, did not like and/or did not buy into his culture and mantras. The latter is a weird reason to fire a coach. The former, perhaps worthy of suspension. They should fire Fleck and the AD and hire Flood and Julie Herman to clean things up.
 
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In this day and age, it seems like once the media gets a hold of stuff like this, it’s game over real soon. Successful programs don’t aor their dirty laundry. Somebody wants him gone.
 
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There will always be people who do not buy into a culture, and that will never get a college coach fired.

But hazing, ignoring drug tests, covering up crimes, money stuff, grades, etc. will get coaches fired.

If the drug test stuff is true he should be fired.
 
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gef21 said:
There will always be people who do not buy into a culture, and that will never get a college coach fired.

But hazing, ignoring drug tests, covering up crimes, money stuff, grades, etc. will get coaches fired.

If the drug test stuff is true he should be fired.
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How about this... what if he doesn't "ignore" drug tests.. he just handles them differently for different players. Maybe some players EARN 2nd and 3rd chances and others do not. How is that a bad thing if the thing you need to do to earn those chances are teh same kinds of things that will help the player live a better life and make better decisions in the long run?
 
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MadRU said:
And of course NJ.COM headline:

Ex-Rutgers coach faces shocking allegations of toxic culture, doctored drug tests, punishing workouts​

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DC8690 said:
I was just going to post this. But some on here continue to defend them.
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RUskoolie said:
God those writers are such losers. I have not read anything from that website in maybe 3 years.
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I seriously thought that headline was a made up joke. It's for real.
 
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Colbert17!

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MADHAT1 said:
putting team success before individual accomplishments
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How dare he???? Doesn't PJ realize that it doesn't matter what the team does as long as I get my touches and yards? Nothing wrong with F.A.M.I.L.Y. as long as you can shuffle the letters a little.
It should be F.A.Y.I.L.M.
My grand nephew is a pretty good young baseball player. I asked him how he did in his game and he said that the team won. I told his dad that he should be proud because my nephew didn't give me his stats for the game but told me that his team had won first.
Lots of kids think the opposite, including D1 athletes.
 
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GoodOl'Rutgers said:
How about this... what if he doesn't "ignore" drug tests.. he just handles them differently for different players. Maybe some players EARN 2nd and 3rd chances and others do not. How is that a bad thing if the thing you need to do to earn those chances are teh same kinds of things that will help the player live a better life and make better decisions in the long run?
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I agree with that, except he doesn't set that policy. The NCAA and university does.

I'm forever a kid and culture first guy. Help the kids become better people, but can't go above certain set rules even if you don't agree with them.
 
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gef21 said:
I agree with that, except he doesn't set that policy. The NCAA and university does.

I'm forever a kid and culture first guy. Help the kids become better people, but can't go above certain set rules even if you don't agree with them.
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Hmmm.. what if the NCAA rules demands a certain random frequency of tests and Fleck has tests that go over and above that and teh tests are administered separately? That is, the NCAA tests have their own regime and set rules and standards and PJ has his own set of rules and standards.. partially to make sure the NCAA's tests go well.

Looks like the Gophers have their own standards as well... have no idea is Gopher football has yet another tier of controls.
 
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GoodOl'Rutgers said:
Hmmm.. what if the NCAA rules demands a certain random frequency of tests and Fleck has tests that go over and above that and teh tests are administered separately? That is, the NCAA tests have their own regime and set rules and standards and PJ has his own set of rules and standards.. partially to make sure the NCAA's tests go well.

Looks like the Gophers have their own standards as well... have no idea is Gopher football has yet another tier of controls.
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All depends on what they are testing positive for and why the tests were given.
 
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jtung230 said:
The funny response on FAMILY is why shouldn’t it be about me. The same player probably spells team with an I.
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Much easier to to focus on the “I” when individuals are getting $500k a season to play and others only get the free tuition, room/bd and other insignificant perks from being a P5 athlete…
 
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RURahh said:
Combination of too soft and too easy to get payouts. Millennials set the table and GenZ is getting a full buffet
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Boomers created the everyone gets a trophy mentality. You think I decided at age 7 to give every kid a trophy for playing sports?

As a coach 99% of the people demanding more PT are parents demanding PT for their kids not the kids. Those parents are not millennials, they are Generation X and boomers.
 
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