It’s a very easy story to have grow legs these days. See the girl from LSU I think who made claims that were false. She was on the front page of ESPN for it. Some people just need attention
No racial taunts per PSU
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No one made anything up: read their statement again.
It never said these remarks happened.
Jeesh.
Yes, because the VP of the fan group did not hear it himself, but someone reported it to him. So, it seems, someone within the fan group heard something and said something (at Penn State no less!), And the leadership of that group took action on it (again, at Penn State no less!). That doesn't mean that it was loud enough for our players or staff, or anyone working in an official capacity for Penn State, to have heard it.
When it comes to pervert state U and it's supporters.
When anything happens , from harboring a child molester, possible raciest taunts , hiring people with questionable values or anything happening that puts Penn State in a bad light
expect this from them
When anything happens , from harboring a child molester, possible raciest taunts , hiring people with questionable values or anything happening that puts Penn State in a bad light
expect this from them
Totally. Someone heard something, said something, but it turned out what that person heard wasn’t anything racist.
Very common these days, unfortunately
Or at least nothing anyone was willing to admit to actual university representatives.
It's one thing to want to curtail behavior within an organization you are a part of, and another to want somebody up in front of a university disciplinary committee.
I will say that it would be strange for a bunch of liberal college kids to spontaneously go all Jim Crow era in 2023, but I suppose stranger things can happen.
Clearly our guys were fired up over something other than your typical student section banter. Cam and Caleb were going HAM.
Clearly our guys were fired up over something other than your typical student section banter. Cam and Caleb were going HAM.
Why wouldn’t anyone wanna admit it? They admitted to police but not representatives?
It’s as if you WANT this to be true
no one is going to admit they made racial taunts, but if racial insults can't be verified we must not claim they were made.
Just say unproven accusations were made and consider how that University takes care of problems reported about them or people within their spear of influence before accepting everything that University says about the incident being reported..
There's a big difference between "I heard someone say x" and " this specific person said x". The first results in non-specific warnings to groups of people (as we saw in this case), the second results in disciplinary action against an individual.
It's one thing to talk about criminal activity in your neighborhood needing a response, and another to give testimony against a specific individual.
During my time at Rutgers, there were definitely things that were handled "in-house" in given organizations I was part of that we're not reported to the university, and which would have been denied if the university came asking. The fan club VP note read very much like that to me.
But there are other explanations. Someone may have misheard something, or were trying to get a specific individual in trouble as a prank, or whatever. But just because the university said something didn't happen does not mean it didn't happen.
yes with that statement by me, in penance, I must fall on my sphere
Well I’d agree. No one knows for sure what happened or what was said. Except the person who said it…if it in fact was said.
But again, per PSU investigation (as my post claims) and…per Rutgers, who said they heard nothing…I’m going to believe nothing was said.
If you chose to not believe PSU…all good.
I believe PSU did not turn up anything in their investigation. I don't think anyone in an official capacity is trying to hide anything . That is not the same thing as saying nothing was said, though.
I’d agree. No where in my posts did I say “nothing was said”
I’ve said nothing was heard..and per PSU’s investigation they found no racial taunts we’re said. So it certainly appears another misunderstanding.
I can certainly be incorrect though.
It's highly doubtful that college students were screaming out the n word in an arena with 10000+ people. We're they heckling our players and going over the top? Probably.
I remember when Maryland used to get the phone numbers to Duke players in the early 2000s and threaten to like rape their sisters and stuff. Some sick stuff.
I remember when Maryland used to get the phone numbers to Duke players in the early 2000s and threaten to like rape their sisters and stuff. Some sick stuff.
Wait, it never happened but many RU fans jumped to conclusions in a few threads?
PSU’s own fans in print suggested it happened. So bad take on your part.
Is your assumption that only liberal kids go to college and attend sporting events at PSU?
The VP of the PSU fan group said it happened - whether it was heard by RU students or not. I believe him. In the law that's called a declaration against interest, which is inherently reliable and an exception to hearsay.
I really think it comes down to what did our players hear. I think if there were racial taunts that they heard, the situation would have been a lot more nasty.
Of course, you don't know what the agenda is of those the people claiming to have heard it. Sometimes people just love to imagine they heard things. Look at all the ******** over the claim at that BYU women's volleyball match: when all was said and done, there was no evidence that it happened.
Of course, you don't know what the agenda is of those the people claiming to have heard it. Sometimes people just love to imagine they heard things. Look at all the ******** over the claim at that BYU women's volleyball match: when all was said and done, there was no evidence that it happened.
By ignoring the fact that their own fan group reported it, yeah they are.
So their OWN fans, at perhaps the most cultish fanbase in America, imagined it?! The VP of their own fan group decided to take his own fellow fans to task at the place that had riots in the street because the guy who protected a pedophile since the 70s was canned in the early 2000s?!
We are to the point with some folks where the cult of "No prejudice exists" now conflicts with believing the people who defended JoePa are in fact a cult at all.
Sad state of affairs when the allegiance is to laughable beliefs they heard in defamation-ridden media versus (maybe) their alma mater and its players.
Literally the Cult's own VP of fans said there was racist taunting.
But you instead take the word of a school who covers up crimes like it's going out of style.
Your defense of this is "RU players didn't hear." That doesn't mean it wasn't said. You ever hear the saying "if a tree falls in the forest..."
Our players our focused on Minnesota and good on them.
That doesn't take away from leadership in other fanbases reporting abhorrent behavior.
But I am not surprised at who defends the Cult and NJ media, ever.
Ok. Let me rephrase by saying no where did I say FACTUALLY nothing was said.
They didn’t say that. Read again. The statement says the cops warned them about “alleged racist chants”. That’s completely different than a statement saying racist chants happened
A large group on here VERY CLEARLY want what was accused of being said to be true. And that’s pretty sick
So now the cops made it up?
And the VP of his own fanbase is using that to besmirch the own people he's in charge of?
Your conspiracy theory would be the equivalent of the VP of a company publishing a letter saying the cops told him his company is laden with people who use racial slurs. What are the chances of that happening?
A minority on here VERY CLEARY want what very obviously happened not be true in order to (again) (poorly) defend NJ media and the idea that no one could ever be prejudiced except against themselves. And in doing so, defend a fanbase loathed by most instead of our own players.
And that's pretty sick, but to be expected. Frankly, if you had told me about this incident and asked me to list every poster who tried to downplay it, 95% of this board could have given you the names that appear in this thread without hesitation.
No body made anything up. People allegedly hear things ALL THE TIME that upon investigation…weren’t what was actually said.
The cop says ALLEGEDLY. You keep leaving that word out. Especially in your example you say is equivalent. It’s not equivalent without using that word.
And I truly don’t understand how you can opine that things were VERY CLEARLY said to Rutgers bench when no player heard, no coach heard, no staff member heard. But you do you. Go RU!
Here is the difference between us.. No matter what side we’re on in this topic…you’re 100% sure something did or didn’t happen. With the only shred of “evidence” one line in a statement warning of an alleged use. While I’m keeping an open mind whether something did or didn’t happen while making an opinion on if it did or didn’t. I’d say my view is the one that should be taken
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The police were interviewed and said that they didn't hear anything racist...this is literally a game of telephone where one kid, who happened to be the VP of the Student Fan Club, took to facebook (or whatever it is that kids use today) and said that he heard allegations of x, y, and z, and that the police warned that nothing further will be tolerated. The police didn't hear anything, Rutgers didn't hear anything, any students that they talked to didn't hear anything. In hindsight, a kid should probably think a little more before they throw allegations onto facebook, but they didn't in this instance.
I have no doubt that unnecessary verbal abuse was thrown toward the Rutgers basketball team (just as unnecessary verbal abuse is thrown around at most college basketball/football games). And I have no doubt that there will be much less tolerance of it at the home game this Sunday...I also wouldn't be surprised if the location of the student section is moved again after this season.
I'd also be extremely surprised if there were actual racial insults being yelled out in a 10k+ crowd on Sunday...but apparently all PSU fans are a cult and the only reason we went to PSU is because we wanted to get away from diversity (fact is, if there was in fact someone yelling out n-bombs, I have no doubt that they would have gotten their *** kicked, or had staff/police involved extremely quickly)...and anything that happened under a prior administration means that we have to assume that there is a grand cover-up in progress right now.
Final thought...I've seen the word "they" time and time again talking about these allegations. At the end of the day, it's one person that was stating it, and he seemed to indicate that he wasn't even the one that heard it (as I said, a bit of a game of telephone). It wasn't some formal announcement, it was a kid posting about it on Facebook 2.0.
Always silly to me how people link the administration at PSU today to that horrible administration at the time, as is lf todays group had any involvement in the cover up. Mind boggling
That include the BOG members that refused to believe.
Or the FB HC that acted pretty shady at his last stop when some of his players were accused of rape.
Yes he wasn't at PSU when it happened, but was hired even though his character because of action might have been called into question at another school that had some of his players accused of rape
Hell Penn State even hired a President that seen the University he was leaving accused of covering up a star player being accused of rape and the school covering that up..
While Florida State's athletic department knew about the accusations no one knew if FSU's President was informed: Still, you might think Penn State would have thought of a find someone to reform the school's football-focused culture and help it to overcome the scandal that saw PSU protecting a child molester rather hiring someone that came led another scandal plagued program.
The program might have seen those in the forefront leave, but that don't mean the culture they made possible doesn't still exist. .