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Novax Djokovic denied entry into Australia
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Think you posted on wrong thread lol….
Australia had 135k cases today - almost equivalent to 2M cases in US….but by all means, spend time and energy keeping this fella out as some sort of virus control measure.
I mean I wish they taught things like how to eat healthily, physical fitness, and personal finance from a young age as that would better society. Instead, they just throw kids in PE and hope for the best. The problem is people don't have self-control and need some sense of guidance. That guidance is where the government should come into play but that doesn't happen.Appreciate the response. If you think everyone being 100% vaccinated would make everything open back up that’s just not true. In NYC you have to have a vaxport but they still have it everywhere. Israel is basically 100% vaxxed and they continue having problems. Sweden or whoever said screw you sisies we’ll just go about our business have done great, weird.
Here’s the key to opening up and it’s worked fantastic in Florida where I live, just go about living life whether you’re vaxxed or not. Act like there’s nothing to worry about,now you’re open again! Crazy idea. If you are worried about dying from Covid, mask up and get vaxxed, stay home whatever you want.
Don’t want to die in a place crash, don’t board a plane.
Don’t want to die a miserable death in a hospital bed due to smoking and obesity, stop smoking and exercise while eating healthy.
This **** is SOOOOO SIMPLE, it’s just people don’t have the willpower or ability to deny themselves these things. You’re no different than a heroin junkie your smack is just legal. Same with Covid.
My issue with opening-up** are the long-term costs of doing so. I'd expect those that have opened up are doing better financially currently but when factoring in the higher death rates per capita would those deaths hurt the economy in the long run? For example, someone dying at 70 had an expected 15 years left to live. Extrapolate that over hundreds of thousands of deaths and the financial number becomes huge.
For example, I read a study that said just the deaths from 2020 would account for a loss of 17 trillion dollars over the long haul. If last year was worse then you'd have a number of at least 34 trillion. I'd have to see if the report was updated to reflect more current info.
**With that being said since it's been 2 years and this stuff is endemic it really doesn't make sense to stay closed. Pretty much past the point where it'll just disappear.
420,000 Americans died in WW2 while 847,000 have died from Covid
U.S. population at the end of the war was around 140 million while today it's around 330 million
330 over 140 is 2.35
420,000*2.35 is 987,000
I.E. 987,000 Americans died in WW2 when matching it to the current U.S. population. 847,000 people have died from Covid. It's depressing to think that we're only 140k deaths from passing the number of American deaths in WW2.
How many has died from Covid versus because of Covid?
And are you saying Covid was a bio-engineered act of war? Or do you compare illness comparable to an act of war?
Seems like a stupid comparison.
Only someone totally lost would even attempt such a comparison. Really unbelievable what these covid warriors will say to try and feel important.
But your issue with opening up doesn’t account for the negatives to keeping things closed. It also assumes that keeping things closed causes the avoidance of any deaths or negatives. It also doesn’t have an end goal or criteria of when you can open things up. You know what I’m saying? You’re framing it like “well 800,000 people died versus 0 if we kept it closed” which you can then come up with a figure for all the the damage done by “opening things back up”. But then you’re not taking account that “keeping things closed” would still result in deaths like we’ve already seen. Look at Australia which has an amazing amount of cases and they been completely locked down. So now let’s just be really generous to you and say if we locked down it would have DRAMATICALLY decreased death so let’s say instead of 800,000 dead it’s actually 300,000 dead. Well great, we saved 500,00 lives!
But then you have to factor in that a large majority of the deaths are people that are at end stage of life, in retirement homes, and not in the workforce. And that’s not me pulling things out of my *** that’s the numbers. So let’s just be generous to you and say half of the deaths were that (I believe the number is higher actually). So that eliminates 400,000 so now with lockdowns.
But then you have to factor in the fact that the actual lockdowns have caused depression, overdoses, suicides, lost learning and development etc. These have actually targeted younger people and teenagers - people with decades to live and lots of benefit to society. Let’s be generous to you and say the lockdowns have only caused 100,000 excess deaths.
When you look at it that way “keeping things closed” hasn’t really helped that much has it? And we literally just had the most cases ever this month lol, so are they even effective? Not trying to argue just another perspective for you to consider.
I think it's about caring for others. I know I'm fine based on the number of studies I've read: Texas study, NY study, United Kingdom study, etc.
I worry about those that are unvaccinated getting it because it's shown to be more deadly to those unvaccinated. My father is on the far right (makes the current GOP look far left) and never really took proper precautions. He knew my mom had COPD but thought covid was fake because of the news he consumed and the people he hung around with. He ended up getting covid right after Thanksgiving 2021 and was bedridden for all of December. My mom got it from him the first week of December. Thankfully my mom was vaccinated in early 2021 (booster Fall 2021) and had mild symptoms but my dad has been a wreck. He's had friends pass from covid and when I try to throw some sense at him he ends up listening at first but then backtracks once he talks to friends. These people misconstrue the CDC 6% study which in turn leads to them not taking covid seriously. I worry about misinformed people like this.
Someone eating mac and cheese isn't going to make the person eating a salad unhealthy nor can it impact the health of everyone else in that restaurant.
Someone unvaccinated, not taking precautions, etc can spread it around. Those that are vaccinated that end up getting it will be fine but those that are unvaccinated at that restaurant might not be.
Jesus said "Love thy neighbor" and yet it seems people don't think like that anymore.
They're mostly vaccinated so it's not really an issue. If 2m cases in the US happened that would be awful because of the lower vaccination rates.
If you're vaccinated the odds of you even going to the hospital from covid is around .19%.
Lol - so why does that make it reasonable to keep Djokovic out?
Since they are mostly vaccinated, does that mean it’s spreading via mostly vaccinated? Does that make it nonsense to discriminate against unvaccinated?
So I'm assuming you're referencing the 6% CDC study? I.E. only 6% of Covid deaths were because of Covid while 94% were those of people who had at least one comorbidity who happened to have Covid when they died.
The issue about this is it ignores the fact that most Americans have at least one comorbidity. That 6% were perfectly healthy and died from covid.
If I'm obese and got covid and died then it's a covid death. My obesity would eventually be the end of me but I was unlucky and got covid and it happened to kill me.
If someone has cancer and ended up taking their own life, they died from that means, not from cancer. If that same person got covid and died, they died from covid.
If someone was perfectly healthy, got covid and died from pneumonia then they died from covid because it led to pneumonia.
If you're not referencing this 6% study, I'd like to read more on what you're referencing. If you can provide links I'd read them.
Lastly, I don't think it was a bio-engineered act of war. It either jumped from an animal to humans or developed in a lab and leaked out. China is known for having poor regulations and safety standards so it wouldn't shock me if it were the latter.
I wasn't necessarily comparing the illness itself to an act of war. I was comparing the rationing that happened in WW2 with being vaccinated here and how the former people came together while the latter there's division. With that being said I do think you could compare a global pandemic to an act of war where the enemy is the virus rather than a country and the soldiers therein. I mean the US death toll will soon pass that of the US WW2 death toll** and that's in half the time no less.
**1945 population converted to 2022 population.
Difficult for you to understand I know. Those deaths from your wwII models occurred mostly in men from the ages of 18 to 35. Entire generation of youngsters in their prime who would be the biggest contributors to productivity economically speaking not to mention reproductive losses to the next generation.
Your deaths from covid however couldn't be any more opposite. The majority of deaths are from ppl over the age of 70. The rest are from ppl with many comorbidities. The 2 groups were not contributing much to society especially in terms of GDP or future growth. Not to sound grim but that's the truth.
Comparing the 2 is not only apples to oranges well it's plain stupid and shows how easily manipulated you are
This a long post of horse ****. Do you write pro-covid fan fiction?
Fair points but remember while at least half of the deaths are those at 70 and above that doesn't mean they're necessarily at the end of life. Remember life expectancy is how long you're expected to live from birth. It does not mean someone who is 70 has 7 years left to live.
depression, overdoses, suicides, lost learning and development etc
All true and that's what makes the decision a tough one. I think we should've taken more drastic measures at the start of this pandemic but now that it's endemic it doesn't make sense to be shut down. I think people should just wear a mask when they go out and hopefully get vaccinated but the times of this going way are pretty much over.
As for Australia, I think another poster pointed out that US deaths are higher by a factor of 25
(@SaguaroCat ) which is substantial. Also, they have a higher vaccine rate so the high case rate they're currently experiencing doesn't really matter. However, in America, it's sadly a different story.
When you look at it that way “keeping things closed” hasn’t really helped that much has it? And we literally just had the most cases ever this month lol, so are they even effective?
We have had the most cases ever but remember those that have been vaccinated, according to a NY study, are only at a .16% risk of even going to the hospital (not hospital stay) from a breakthrough covid infection. According to the same study one that is unvaccinated is 12.88 times as likely of being hospitalized than a vaccinated person. In other words, the vaccine is effective.
Not trying to argue just another perspective for you to consider.
I don't see it as arguing. I see it as us just having a conversation and seeing a different perspective is always good even if it's in opposition. It's those that name-call or kick down that are irksome.
How so?
No, math and science were/are my subjects and writing can die in a fire. I see this as a discussion rather than going through the pains of writing & sourcing a paper.
There is no discussion. You compared Covid to War2. That's stupid.
I actually missed your very good post when I retorted to the Coronabro. He is comparing American deaths in World War 2 to American deaths during this "pandemic" and not realizing that World War 2 killed up to 75 million people on Earth. World War 2 caused the death of about 30% of Poland; by way of contrast, "Covid" has killed about .3% of Poland- to name just one example.
The Spanish Flu is the only true pandemic in modern history. It killed about 3% of the world, yet the world failed to wet the bed over it. Granted, during that time period, there was no Zoom and no pajama class who had the luxury to scold people for trying to work and support their families during the pandemic. The world at that point didn't have the luxury of upper middle class parasites able to live on DoorDash while the working class were still exposed.
By way of contrast, "Covid" has killed less than .1% of the world. At this point, the per capita ratio for the Spanish Flu is about 50 to 1, never mind that the Spanish Flu killed the young as indiscriminately as the old. The Black Death ratio to "Covid" is about 500 to 1, yet the hipsters insist that this is the Black Death, or World War 2. Well, if it really is World War 2, then let's have Nuremberg trials for those what funded the dangerous research what caused this crap in the first place.
By way of contrast, "Covid" has killed less than .1% of the world. At this point, the per capita ratio for the Spanish Flu is about 50 to 1, never mind that the Spanish Flu killed the young as indiscriminately as the old. The Black Death ratio to "Covid" is about 500 to 1, yet the hipsters insist that this is the Black Death, or World War 2. Well, if it really is World War 2, then let's have Nuremberg trials for those what funded the dangerous research what caused this crap in the first place.
I've long been a Fed fan, and still think that at his best, he's the best tennis player we have ever seen. Djokovic is the best player of all time though - let the guy play and get the major record. He's going to get it at Roland Garros or Wimbledon or Flushing anyway. Let's get it over with and let him add to it later this year.
Life expectancy tables allow you to look at a person’s expected remaining life from any age.
Okay but if they choose to be unvaccinated and die, who cares? That’s their decision. You can’t make people wear seatbelts either. I don’t care about people dying anymore because of it. Everyone knows the risk, they’ve made their choice, so let’s move the touch on and put it to bed.
The long term costs of saving stubborn fat, old, sickly people isn’t worth the short term gain of them being alive for 5-10 more years.
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I have wanted to go to Australia for years and was planning a trip and also take in New Zealand for a week or so. I am striking that trip, Australia would be a nightmare to visit.
My time on earth is limited so I will spend it in a place where people have not lost their mind. FREE FLORIDA
My time on earth is limited so I will spend it in a place where people have not lost their mind. FREE FLORIDA
Australia at this point frankly looks like the alpha test site for the Great Reset.
At this point he's probably lucky they are only going to deport him. Given the way Australia acted during covid, I'm surprised they didn't strap him down and give him a shot. Or just execute him to save him from covid.
They're now just china with kangaroos
They're now just china with kangaroos
Correct and that's what I was referring to saying a 70 year old has 15 years left to live at least according to those ssa actuarial tables.
My issue is people treating the deaths of the older generations as if they're eventually going to die anyway and that's not the case. They see a 75 year old and think that person only has a few years left to live when in reality it's probably closer to 12 years.
Any thoughts about the CDC director saying last week 75% of COVID deaths have been by people with AT MINIMUM 4 comorbidities? Do you feel that might make their life expectancy lower than average?
You missed the point of my original post which was the sacrifice by our people to ration goods so our soldiers could win the war.
I was comparing that with today and vaccines. People back then were selfless and now we're just selfish.
I only eventually brought up deaths as a response to the poster saying there needs to be a 9/11 like event to bring America together and even the that togetherness didn't last long.
My original post had nothing to do with comparing worldwide covid deaths with ww2 deaths.
It does but they're still covid deaths. If the country took better actions in early 2020 we wouldn't have such a high loss of life. Look at other first world countries in comparison.
Sure those people with a number of comorbidities will likely have a shorter lifespan but at least a number of those deaths could've been prevented if we had took covid seriously when this all started.
My issue is people discounting these deaths because they had comorbidities when in fact most Americans have at least one.
Again my original post had nothing to do with comparing deaths.
It had to do with how willing our nation was to come together for the betterment of our society. We rationed goods which helped our soldiers win the war.
Those same people would've gladly gotten vaccinated.
Nowadays that selflessness is nonexistent. If the government mandated rationing people would be against it, just like a large percentage are against vaccines.
People here can argue all they want about how it's not as lethal to those under 50 but the data shows those unvaccinated are more likely to suffer severe consequences in comparison to those vaccinated.
Again, this wasn't an post about comparing covid deaths with ww2 deaths it was comparing the selflessness of our citizens in ww2 with the selfishness of Americans today.
If you look at "other first world countries", let's start with Sweden, which took fewer measure than any European nation, outside of Belarus, and they're doing relatively fine. For that matter, so is Belarus, though I would hesitate to call Belarus "first world". We are, in terms of death rate, marginally better than most of Eastern Europe (which, for the most part, took stricter measures than we did), and marginally worse than most of Western Europe. I'm not sure what lessons can be drawn from that. The nation with the highest death rate in the world, which lockdowned fast, hard, and long, is Peru.
How is it "selfish" not to take a vaccine? That is counter-intuitive. If the vaccine protects, then it is a foolish decision not to take it but far from "selfish".
What would getting vaccinated do for the greater good? What is selfless about it?
What is selfless about wanting a 3rd, 4th shot when poor countries elderly cannot get their first series?
Lol - getting your vax isn’t anything like ww2 service (military or community).
What is selfless about wanting a 3rd, 4th shot when poor countries elderly cannot get their first series?
Lol - getting your vax isn’t anything like ww2 service (military or community).
You're correct you can't force people to wear seat belts but it's required by law. Getting vaccinated is a personal decision but that doesn't mean not getting one is the right choice.
The issue is those that choose not to get vaccinated are negatively impacting themselves as well as potentially those around them.
You mentioned seat belts but let's use drinking and driving as an example. Sure one could drink and drive and likely nothing bad will happen but that decision could negatively impact the driver and those around them. Therefore the choice to drink and drive is selfish just like choosing not to get vaccinated.
If one has health problems and the vaccine could negatively impact that person then they shouldn't get the vaccine. If not, they should get one.
But yeah now that we're 2 years into this there's no reason to keep doing what we've been doing. Sadly it's likely endemic and part of life now. More so venting how stuff went wrong the past two years.
You're correct saying it's foolish but it's also selfish.
Lacking consideration of others is one of the definitions of being selfish.
Not getting the vaccine, taking proper protection measures, etc is clearly a lack of consideration for others.
Most of those hospitalized are unvaccinated. If they were vaccinated they'd likely not be hospitalized and therefore hospitals would be less burdened.
There are non covid deaths that are a result of the nation's hospitals being overburdened by covid patients. I.e. the act of not getting vaccinated lead to more deaths than would've occurred if they were vaccinated.
We’ve dropped 50k staffed hospital beds in a year - many due to vaccine mandates.
You have a really naive view of this pandemic. But it looks like you believed in an eradication possibility- and also a vaccine that would block infection and transmission. It’s tough to come back to reality if those were the long term held beliefs.
If we would’ve locked down harder! So selfish!
Not to mention, with Omicron, the rates of infection per capita are highest among vaccinated in many countries - triple vax being highest, then double, then 1 etc.
Personal protection from the vaccines - all for it. Blaming non vaxxed for all the worlds problems - nope. Not the spread, not the mutations, not the hospital capacity. Because it’s not true.
You have a really naive view of this pandemic. But it looks like you believed in an eradication possibility- and also a vaccine that would block infection and transmission. It’s tough to come back to reality if those were the long term held beliefs.
If we would’ve locked down harder! So selfish!
Not to mention, with Omicron, the rates of infection per capita are highest among vaccinated in many countries - triple vax being highest, then double, then 1 etc.
Personal protection from the vaccines - all for it. Blaming non vaxxed for all the worlds problems - nope. Not the spread, not the mutations, not the hospital capacity. Because it’s not true.