OFFICIAL NET Thread - 2022/23

RUChoppin

Heisman
Dec 1, 2006
19,270
13,695
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RU is now #21

Results:
Q1 (1-30 Home, 1-50 Neutral, 1-75 Away)
4 - @Purdue (W)
23 - Indiana (W)
30 - @Ohio St (L*)
30 - Ohio St (W)
37 - @MSU (L)
41 - @Miami (L)
59 - @Northwestern (W)

Q2 (31-75 Home 51-100 Neutral, 76-135 Away)
35 - Iowa (L)
46 - Maryland (W)
63 - Seton Hall (L)
68 - Wake Forest (W)

Q3 (76-160 Home, 101-200 Neutral, 136-240 Away)
146 - UMass-Lowell (W)
149 - (N) Temple (L)

Q4 (161+ Home, 201+Neutral, 141+ Away)
223 - Rider (W)
274 - Bucknell (W)
304 - Coppin St (W)
324 - Sacred Heart (W)
336 - Central CT St (W)
345 - Columbia (W)

Upcoming
Q1 (1-30 Home, 1-50 Neutral, 1-75 Away)
23 - @Indiana
32 - @Illinois
35 - @Iowa
37 - (N)MSU
51 - @Penn St
65 - @Wisconsin

Q2 (31-75 Home, 51-100 Neutral, 76-135 Away)
51 - Penn St
54 - Northwestern

Q3 (76-160 Home, 101-200 Neutral, 136-240 Away)
77 - Michigan
89 - Nebraska
216 - @Minnesota

Q4 (161+ Home, 201+Neutral, 241+ Away)
216 - Minnesota

Notes:
- Indiana back to Q1
- OSU hanging onto Q1 by the skin of its teeth
- Michigan back down to Q3
 

ScarletDave

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Oct 7, 2010
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Still tied for 2nd in the B1G. Yes winning the league would be nice but Purdue would have to lose probably at least 3 games down the stretch and seems unlikely. More the goal should be to finish top-4. Very doable but we have to go out and grab it, take care of our own business. This week PSU, @Iowa .. massive
 

Local Shill

All-American
Aug 30, 2001
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7,299
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RU is now #21

Results:
Q1 (1-30 Home, 1-50 Neutral, 1-75 Away)
4 - @Purdue (W)
23 - Indiana (W)
30 - @Ohio St (L*)
30 - Ohio St (W)
37 - @MSU (L)
41 - @Miami (L)
59 - @Northwestern (W)

Q2 (31-75 Home 51-100 Neutral, 76-135 Away)
35 - Iowa (L)
46 - Maryland (W)
63 - Seton Hall (L)
68 - Wake Forest (W)

Q3 (76-160 Home, 101-200 Neutral, 136-240 Away)
146 - UMass-Lowell (W)
149 - (N) Temple (L)

Q4 (161+ Home, 201+Neutral, 141+ Away)
223 - Rider (W)
274 - Bucknell (W)
304 - Coppin St (W)
324 - Sacred Heart (W)
336 - Central CT St (W)
345 - Columbia (W)

Upcoming
Q1 (1-30 Home, 1-50 Neutral, 1-75 Away)
23 - @Indiana
32 - @Illinois
35 - @Iowa
37 - (N)MSU
51 - @Penn St
65 - @Wisconsin

Q2 (31-75 Home, 51-100 Neutral, 76-135 Away)
51 - Penn St
54 - Northwestern

Q3 (76-160 Home, 101-200 Neutral, 136-240 Away)
77 - Michigan
89 - Nebraska
216 - @Minnesota

Q4 (161+ Home, 201+Neutral, 241+ Away)
216 - Minnesota

Notes:
- Indiana back to Q1
- OSU hanging onto Q1 by the skin of its teeth
- Michigan back down to Q3
Thank you for doing the leg work on that.
 
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Purdue is going to win the conference as long as Edey stays healthy. I agree the regular season target should be a top four finish. It is so darn competitive. 12-8 should have us in a tiebreaker scenario for 4th IMO. Defend the RAC (five more home games, all against teams we will be favored to beat) and get a couple more W away from home and we will do it.
 

RUJMM78

Heisman
Jul 25, 2001
25,985
12,162
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Purdue is going to win the conference as long as Edey stays healthy. I agree the regular season target should be a top four finish. It is so darn competitive. 12-8 should have us in a tiebreaker scenario for 4th IMO. Defend the RAC (five more home games, all against teams we will be favored to beat) and get a couple more W away from home and we will do it.
Parity in the B1G Ten makes it impossible to predict the top four ranked teams in the league.Purdue will likely be the only team that gets a high NCAA seed.because the other teams selected will have too many losses.
 
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bac2therac

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Jul 30, 2001
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advice is to just keep winning and build up a cushion. Get 2 of the next 3 and 7-4 will still have RU in the top 4. RU seemingly has the "softer" games at home and the road games are very tough, to ensure top 4 going to have to win 2 big road games
 

Scarlet Blind_rivals

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Aug 5, 2001
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Temple have won 5 of their last 7 and 3 straight on the road(4-2 road), up to 143 now. Big game @ Houston today, close loss they go up, pull off the win @ Houston they will approach closer to the 51-100 range we need. Rutgers is 4-3 in Q1s, Ws @ Purdue, @ NW, vs 23 Indiana, vs 24 Ohio St.
 
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RUBlackout

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We really need to win 2 out of next 3 Minimum...will put us in a much better spot. Next 3 games after that are going to be very tough
 
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Temple have won 5 of their last 7 and 3 straight on the road(4-2 road), up to 143 now. Big game @ Houston today, close loss they go up, pull off the win @ Houston they will approach closer to the 51-100 range we need. Rutgers is 4-3 in Q1s, Ws @ Purdue, @ NW, vs 23 Indiana, vs 24 Ohio St.
Looking forward to watching this game today. Haven’t seen Houston play this year. Would love to see a Temple upset (I can dream, can’t I?)
 

LeapinLou

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Jul 24, 2001
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Houston and RU unchanged by this? Temple up 17 spots which is a lot but thought it would be even more.

I guess the NET rankings are really stabilizing?
 

RUChoppin

Heisman
Dec 1, 2006
19,270
13,695
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Houston and RU unchanged by this? Temple up 17 spots which is a lot but thought it would be even more.

I guess the NET rankings are really stabilizing?

The gap between Houston and the rest of the field was very wide. Even kenpom still has Houston as #1 despite this loss.

And one game that a given team didn't even play in isn't going to cause much of a swing for them in the model at this point (i.e., with 19 games in the books for Rutgers, one of Temple's 21 games isn't going to have a big impact on us).

It will help us with the committee, though, if Temple can keep improving. Being #22 with one Q3 loss is different than being #22 with no Q3/Q4 losses with regard to selection/seeding.
 

Jtg=04131996

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Aug 2, 2010
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The gap between Houston and the rest of the field was very wide. Even kenpom still has Houston as #1 despite this loss.

And one game that a given team didn't even play in isn't going to cause much of a swing for them in the model at this point (i.e., with 19 games in the books for Rutgers, one of Temple's 21 games isn't going to have a big impact on us).

It will help us with the committee, though, if Temple can keep improving. Being #22 with one Q3 loss is different than being #22 with no Q3/Q4 losses with regard to selection/seeding.
Yeah gonna be very tough to get Temple out of Q3 based on the movement (or lack thereof) after the 2nd best win of the season (our win @ Purdue being the best).

I’m concerned with our Q4 game vs. Minny next week. I think it’s basically impossible that it’s not Q4 (they’re at 216 and would need to get down to 160), but they’ve been a different team in the New Year.
 
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I’m concerned with our Q4 game vs. Minny next week. I think it’s basically impossible that it’s not Q4 (they’re at 216 and would need to get down to 160), but they’ve been a different team in the New Year.
Every game in this conference this season must be taken seriously, but if we don't beat Minnesota at home, it is hard to project us wining enough games for the NCAA resume to matter much. Gotta get a minimum of five more wins to dance, possibly six to feel secure. That should be one of them.
 
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RUChoppin

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Yeah gonna be very tough to get Temple out of Q3 based on the movement (or lack thereof) after the 2nd best win of the season (our win @ Purdue being the best).

I’m concerned with our Q4 game vs. Minny next week. I think it’s basically impossible that it’s not Q4 (they’re at 216 and would need to get down to 160), but they’ve been a different team in the New Year.

Temple has a better chance at late season upside, though, if they can get Reynolds back for the final push. Reel off several wins in a row, and they might be able to inch up to 99th... but it'll be a steep climb. I don't see our home game vs. Minnesota being anything but Q4, though. Just hoping @Minnesota stays in Q3.
 
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Degaz-RU

Heisman
Dec 19, 2002
21,355
24,278
88
The NET is just ponderous.

Xavier at 25 even though they’re 16-4, and 5-3 quad 1, and 4-0 quad 2 (9-3 combined quads 1 and 2).

Ohio State at 26 with overall record of 11-9, and just 2-7 quad 1, 3-1 quad 2 (5-8 combined) AND they have a quad 4 loss.

Makes zero sense.
 

kcg88

Heisman
Aug 11, 2017
10,862
17,230
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The NET is just ponderous.

Xavier at 25 even though they’re 16-4, and 5-3 quad 1, and 4-0 quad 2 (9-3 combined quads 1 and 2).

Ohio State at 26 with overall record of 11-9, and just 2-7 quad 1, 3-1 quad 2 (5-8 combined) AND they have a quad 4 loss.

Makes zero sense.
No computer number will be perfect, that's why the committee exists.

Two teams that are roughly as good as each other can have very different resumes.
 
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Jtg=04131996

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The NET is just ponderous.

Xavier at 25 even though they’re 16-4, and 5-3 quad 1, and 4-0 quad 2 (9-3 combined quads 1 and 2).

Ohio State at 26 with overall record of 11-9, and just 2-7 quad 1, 3-1 quad 2 (5-8 combined) AND they have a quad 4 loss.

Makes zero sense.
Margin of victory and defeat. Ohio State loses close and wins big.

Xavier doesn’t have a single good road win yet.
 
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Big boy stan

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With the amount of data out there, I am surprised no one reverse engineers the NET formula. I would think there must be some sport math geeks out there who are trying.
 
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fluoxetine

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Nov 11, 2012
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With the amount of data out there, I am surprised no one reverse engineers the NET formula. I would think there must be some sport math geeks out there who are trying.
I don’t think it would be all that hard. I’m pretty sure you could get pretty close with a simple linear regression of it onto Kenpom and RPI. There isn’t that much point since it is updated quickly anyway.
 
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Big boy stan

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There isn’t that much point since it is updated quickly anyway.
The only reason would be to know how to focus your teams energy for future games. For example, lots of conjecture on this thread that running up big margin of victory have large impact but perhaps its more about holding the opponent below their average or scoring above yours. If you were certain what went in to the NET, you could game plan for it.
 

kcg88

Heisman
Aug 11, 2017
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Bubbletology update:

Ironclad 1-bid leagues: 21
I'm moving the A-10 and the MAC to this side because of Dayton's loss to George Washington and Kent State's loss to Northern Illinois. Kent State is 0-3 in Q1 with no remaining opportunities, and now they have a Q4 loss. Even if they won out all the way to the MAC title game before losing, I don't think they'd get in. That'd be five losses. An analogue would be 2015 Murray State which went 25-4 but had no signature win and weren't even First Four Out. I'm finally making the call on the A-10 but I reserve the right to resurrect them if Saint Louis runs the table, but their 6-1 A-10 record has come almost entirely against the bottom of the league. Pepper in a loss to Dayton or VCU (both of whom they have to play twice still) and that won't be an at-large worthy resume. I also moved the A-Sun (Liberty) here because their resume is basically equivalent to Kent State's and if they take another loss to an A-Sun team, even in the conference tournament title game, I don't think they get in because their best win is Bradley and their second-best win is, uh, Bryant on a neutral?
21 bids

Possible 2-bid leagues: 3
This is the CAA (Charleston), C-USA (FAU), and WCC (Gonzaga/SMC). Charleston and FAU are still sitting on one loss and in position for a bid if they keep winning in the regular season. Nothing has changed in the WCC even if LMU's win over Gonzaga. LMU and Santa Clara are still out of the conversation with 4-3 conference records so that league is still locked in for two bids. I'll be conservative and allow for a bid thief here to call it five from this group.
5 bids

That leaves 42 up for grabs among the top eight conferences, which is unchanged from last week. Eyeballing it (2.5 basically means they’ll get either 2 or 3 bids):

AAC: 2.5 (Houston, Memphis, UCF in the mix)
The wrong team got the win over Houston. Memphis and UCF could both really use that to bolster their resume. UCF is on the downswing with consecutive losses to Tulane and USF, the latter a Q3 to go with an earlier Q4 loss this season, and now they have to face the Cougars who you have to assume are not going to drop two straight. Memphis on the other hand is chugging along just fine. Temple got the win over Houston but they're just 12-9 with a whopping six Q3/Q4 losses.

MWC: 4 (San Diego State, Utah State, Boise State, New Mexico, Nevada)
Bumping them up from 3.5 to 4 as the top five teams in this league kept it clean, the only losses among the group coming to another. Utah State is still the odd one out with two Q4 losses but they're #35 in the NET and have plenty of good chances left, starting tonight at San Diego State. The others have solidified their standing and four bids is looking way more likely than three at this point.

Pac-12: 3.5 (UCLA, Arizona, USC, Arizona State, Utah)
Arizona State failed to get a win as the LA schools came through Tempe, knocking them down to 6-3 in the league. Their resume is still better than the Trojans for now. Big potential for upheaval this week as ASU is on the road against the Oregon schools and Utah is in Washington to face the Huskies and Cougars. If they come through that at 4-0 I'll probably bump this to four bids next update.

Big East: 5 (UConn, Creighton, Providence, Marquette, Xavier)
Nothing new here. Seton Hall no-showed a game that would've propelled them onto the bubble and lost by 21 at home to Marquette. The Pirates probably still have the next-best shot outside the top five. Beat @Butler, @St. John's, and DePaul in the next three and that'll set up another huge home opportunity, this time against Creighton. Meanwhile St. John's lost at the Garden to Villanova and have to play Creighton in Omaha tonight. Win that to leapfrog SHU, but they'd still be bubble-adjacent at best.

ACC: 6 (Duke, Virginia, UNC, Miami, Clemson, Pitt, NC State, Wake Forest)
Thankfully Syracuse lost a terrible basketball game to North Carolina to keep them from joining this group. Wake Forest has a big three game stretch coming up: @Pitt, vs. NC State, @Duke. Two Q1 games and one Q2. Pittsburgh lost a bad one at home to Florida State and needs a bounceback tonight against the Deacs. Right now Pitt is the first team out at Bracket Matrix, so yeah, that's a big one. Six bids still feels right for this league as they've mostly maintained the firewall between the top and the bottom and not taken horrible losses.

Big 12: 6.5 (Kansas, Iowa State, Kansas State, Texas, TCU, Baylor, pick one of the bottom 4)
The eight bid dream is over and the seven bid light is starting to flicker. I'm considering 17-14 as the magic record to reach as I don't believe the committee will pick a 16-15 team no matter how strong the conference. Texas Tech (10-9) hosts West Virginia (11-8) tonight and it's basically impossible to see how the loser of that gets to 17 wins. And Texas Tech's not going to go winless in league play, right? Oklahoma State (11-9 right now) has an easy SEC Challenge draw with a home game against Ole Miss that's basically a must-win. West Virginia gets stuck playing Auburn, but at least that's at home. Also at home is Oklahoma (11-9), but they have to play the hottest team in the country in Alabama.

SEC: 6 (Tennessee, Alabama, Auburn, Arkansas, Missouri, Kentucky, Texas A&M)
Arkansas did indeed steady the ship with home wins over LSU and Mississippi State. The Bulldogs lose their "in the mix" status as they're 1-7 since an 11-0 start. Wanna get back on? Win at Alabama tonight. The two teams currently in the field per Bracket Matrix but closest to the cut line are Kentucky and Missouri and both have huge B12 Challenge home opportunities with Kansas and Iowa State respectively. Losses there don't really hurt the profile but a top-10 Q1 win would be a huge shot in the arm. Florida can also sneak into this mix with a road win at Kansas State. Six bids still feels right.

Big Ten: 8.5 (Everyone except Nebraska and Minnesota)
The Big Ten continues to Big Ten at extreme levels. The only teams on a winning streak right now are Purdue and Indiana. Purdue's won six straight and Indiana has three in a row. Nobody else is even at two. Second place and 13th place are separated by just three games, so we'll wait another week. Bracket Matrix currently has ten teams in the field, but three of them are Last Four In so that number will shrink as the losses mount.

Total: 42 bids
So I'd project two of the leagues projected at x.5 to go OVER and two to go UNDER.