Ok I've had enough. That's enough whining out of you 17'ers

[Coach34]

Why you guys let our opponents and rival get to you is beyond me. They have infected your mind so badly, we have our own fans bitching about going 8-4 and getting a New Year's Day bowl berth.

Think about that for a second- State fans bitching about going to the Gator Bowl- a New Year's Day bowl. State fans bitching about our "8 wins". WTF is going on here? We have 4 SEC wins- I dont give a 17 who they were against. We earned that ****. Nobody apologized about beating our *** when we were going 3-9 and 2-10.

We won 8 games this season for only the 10th time in the last 65 years (and one of those was taken away by the NCAA thru forfeits). That means we win 8 games in a season only once every 6.5 seasons. Enjoy this ****. It's great. Going 4-8 is what sux- not 8-4.

Fire Mullen? He may not be the right guy for the job? Have you people lost your ******* minds? And you people wonder why we get called the worst fanbase in the SEC...

Mullen is 29-21 at State. He has elevated us to being a mid-level SEC program. We were a bottom feeder. We used to be ******. Now we go bowling every season. So, yes, Mullen is the guy to elevate our program- he has already done it. You don't go from the mailroom to being CEO is just 4 years guys.

It sux we lost to them- I can assure you nobody hates it more than me. But let's all take a deep breathe and realize that this too shall pass. We have to keep on recruiting and hopefully win the bowl game. Next season, will be a chance for us to go 4 years without a losing season for only the 2nd time since the 1940's...You can't change your past- but you can build a better future. I think for the most part- we are. And if you can't see that- then you are blind.

 

[hotdigitydog]

Weren't you the one that was so upset on Sunday that you wouldn't

respond or post?

In any event, I agree with what you're saying..........We lost...........It's over.........Move on...............Enjoy the bowl.....

 

[Original48]

Well done.

 

[SignalToNoise]

Nobody apologized about beating our *** when we were going 3-9 and 2-10.

Quoted for truth.

 

[DAWG61]

It's obvious Mullen was paid a cool million to take a dive. His bowl is already locked up and a loss doesn't change it. A million bucks is a million bucks.

 

[RiverBullyBullDawg]

Damn right Coach34 - 17 em

 

[FlabLoser]

 

[MSDawg34]

There's legitimate causes for concern that need to be addressed. We had good outcomes this year but to blindly not address obvious problems is not the way to go. Your boy HD6 is correct when saying our talent level is closer to Kentucky than Alabama. Our schemes will cost us if unchanged next season. OK St LSU USCe TAM Bama all unchallenged with our current schemes. Barn on the road (with Bobby P) would be tough. Arky up there is always ALWAYS difficult and then you have the Bears.

Mullen's MO is beating teams we are favored against and losing to those we arent.. That sets up nicely for 5-7 if changes aren't made. The current defense has to be completely washed away and Wilson sent packing. We should get back to a more pro-style running attack, incorporating the spread looks. This "tailored TR offense" is ********.

So yeah, its not whining. But its also not burying our head in the sand. We're about to find out if In Mullen We Trust is legit because I will trust him if he takes these necessarily steps. Namely firing Wilson.

 

[ket7450]

Why you guys let our opponents and rival get to you is beyond me. They have infected your mind so badly, we have our own fans bitching about going 8-4 and getting a New Year's Day bowl berth.

Think about that for a second- State fans bitching about going to the Gator Bowl- a New Year's Day bowl. State fans bitching about our "8 wins". WTF is going on here? We have 4 SEC wins- I dont give a 17 who they were against. We earned that ****. Nobody apologized about beating our *** when we were going 3-9 and 2-10.

We won 8 games this season for only the 10th time in the last 65 years (and one of those was taken away by the NCAA thru forfeits). That means we win 8 games in a season only once every 6.5 seasons. Enjoy this ****. It's great. Going 4-8 is what sux- not 8-4.

Fire Mullen? He may not be the right guy for the job? Have you people lost your ******* minds? And you people wonder why we get called the worst fanbase in the SEC...

Mullen is 29-21 at State. He has elevated us to being a mid-level SEC program. We were a bottom feeder. We used to be ******. Now we go bowling every season. So, yes, Mullen is the guy to elevate our program- he has already done it. You don't go from the mailroom to being CEO is just 4 years guys.

It sux we lost to them- I can assure you nobody hates it more than me. But let's all take a deep breathe and realize that this too shall pass. We have to keep on recruiting and hopefully win the bowl game. Next season, will be a chance for us to go 4 years without a losing season for only the 2nd time since the 1940's...You can't change your past- but you can build a better future. I think for the most part- we are. And if you can't see that- then you are blind.

Says the guy that has acted like a little girl since Saturday. Here's some advice..When you're wrong admit it. Just type the words - I. Was. Wrong. Of course, that will never happen because you're the type of kid that takes his toys home when he loses. God, I love seeing you humiliate yourself.

 

[tenureplan]

While I agree with you sentiment

It's quite ironic coming from the guy who has told us all countless times that 20 win seasons are nothing in basketball when you don't beat anyone? What is our average years between 20 win seasons? What was it before the last coach got here? Do you not see the parallels?

 

[Coach34]

Wilson is not going to be fired- I say that with about 95% certainty. But I do expect a couple of coaching changes.

When we get better on the DL- we'll get better defensively. That's where it all begins whether it's offense or defense. Cherry graduating makes that unit better. We have had youth on the DL- they will all be 2nd and 3rd year players next season- it's time for them to step up and play to their potential beginning this Spring.

I agree that some changes need to be made- and we don't have to be "satisfied" by going 8-4. But overall, we should be happy. Satisfied- no. Happy- yes.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

Bravo

 

[CookieMonster.sixpack]

There's legitimate causes for concern that need to be addressed. We had good outcomes this year but to blindly not address obvious problems is not the way to go. Your boy HD6 is correct when saying our talent level is closer to Kentucky than Alabama. Our schemes will cost us if unchanged next season...We're about to find out if In Mullen We Trust is legit because I will trust him if he takes these necessarily steps. Namely firing Wilson.

This. We must fix the defense. It has gotten worse each year since Manny's departure (what he's done at Texas is irrelevant to our team's performance).

 

[Coach34]

It's quite ironic coming from the guy who has told us all countless times that 20 win seasons are nothing in basketball when you don't beat anyone? What is our average years between 20 win seasons? What was it before the last coach got here? Do you not see the parallels?

basketball and football are different- however let me clarify my position on what you are trying to say.

I gave The Recruiter Hell because he never elevated the program after being at the helm for 8-9-10 years. It was still the same ol ****. I always acknowledged he made us more consistent. But we were still getting the same thing from him in year 9 as we were in year 2- playing soft *** schedules.

Mullen, on the other hand, opens with Ok State next year on national TV. We are doing things to try to elevate the program- not just trying to maintain status quo. If Mullen gets to 8-9 years at State and is just playing weak OOC's to maintain a bowl streak- then he will deserve criticism as well. But the Ok State game already shows you he isnt doing that.

Big difference Tenure- big difference

 

[maroonmania]

There's legitimate causes for concern that need to be addressed. We had good outcomes this year but to blindly not address obvious problems is not the way to go. Your boy HD6 is correct when saying our talent level is closer to Kentucky than Alabama. Our schemes will cost us if unchanged next season. OK St LSU USCe TAM Bama all unchallenged with our current schemes. Barn on the road (with Bobby P) would be tough. Arky up there is always ALWAYS difficult and then you have the Bears.

Mullen's MO is beating teams we are favored against and losing to those we arent.. That sets up nicely for 5-7 if changes aren't made. The current defense has to be completely washed away and Wilson sent packing. We should get back to a more pro-style running attack, incorporating the spread looks. This "tailored TR offense" is ********.

So yeah, its not whining. But its also not burying our head in the sand. We're about to find out if In Mullen We Trust is legit because I will trust him if he takes these necessarily steps. Namely firing Wilson.

2 points HD6 made yesterday on the B&B show that I thoroughly agreed with was 1) we have got to continue to step up our recruiting game and get more high end talented players in the program and along with that quit having a compliance department on campus that is more eager to report any possible MSU violations to the NCAA than the staunchest Black Bear supporter in Oxford and 2) until we do truly upgrade the amount of talent we have keep a schedule that's at least manageable enough to continue to go bowling meaning NOT scheduling a team like Oklahome State that throws up 40+ points in every game they play. If our defensive schemes don't improve to better handle uptempo spread teams like we saw from Troy, TA&M and OM this year then we will likely not make it to 6 wins next year.

 

[rem101]

Wilson is not going to be fired- I say that with about 95% certainty.

I was told the same thing. Said he was one of our better recruiters, but I don't keep up with which coaches recruit who/where, so I'm just taking his word for that.

 

[Dawg1976]

So yeah, its not whining. But its also not burying our head in the sand. We're about to find out if In Mullen We Trust is legit because I will trust him if he takes these necessarily steps. Namely firing Wilson.

Correct. I'm certainly backing Mullen but if changes are not made as you suggest, we won't have a prayer next year. And then you will see plenty of whining and bitching from all.

 

[TheOMlawdog]

I would think this season would piss you off more than most...

Super soft early season schedule.

Struggled to beat the cream puffs on the schedule.

Only beat teams that had a horrible record.

Once MSU started to play decent to good teams, the team was run off the court field.

I've read so many times that winning 20 games in basketball don't mean **** because of a crappy schedule, yet 8 wins in football due in large part to a crappy schedule and you are happy? I would think you would be the first one on here trying to hold Mullen accountable.

I mean, he just lost to a HS girls basketball coach that had two seniors totals starting, and lost despite having junior/senior laden NBA NFL talent - Slay, Boyd, Gabe Jackson, Perkins and Banks will all probably be drafted.

So lets recap:

Winning with a soft schedule - Check.

Losing to teams despite having more pro talent - Check.

Running an offense that doesn't play to the team's strengths - Check

Coach, Mullen seems like a perfect candidate for you to run off. Chad Morris is available.

 

[tenureplan]

After 2 seasons and 15 wins

the best team we have beaten is a toss-up between La Tech, MTSU, and Wake.

 

[slickdawg]

People forget the five year death penalty we had.

You think our receivers suck now? Will Prosser was a starter, let that sink in.

You think our QB's suck now? Mike Henig & Tyson Lee were starters, let that sink in.

You think our OL sucks now? Watch any game video from 2003-2008, there's a reason Henig & Lee were beaten like pinatas.


We've come a long freaking way in four years. ****, we just redshirted more talent this year than we had on the field in 2008. The Browns, Jiles & Redmond, Jefferson, Antoine, Holloway and Grindle all probably play as true freshman in 2008, probably start. We have a top 15 recruiting class for 2013 shaping up. We are not going to beat the Alabama's and LSU's until we get to where we are able to redshirt every year like we did this year. It's called developing and growing a program.

No disrespect to Prosser, Henig or Lee, they are good dawgs and gave it all they had. They should have never been put in the positions they were in.

 

[HueFreeze]

I got a ? who did you beat in 2003?
Fact of the matter is nobody will give a **** who we played or who we beat, in 2 years ...it is about wins
example: who the hell did USM beat last year

Does 20 wins in basketball get you to post season, cause 8 in football does

Thanks for being our ***** the last 3 years, we saw when you run on the field that the game finally meant something to you...

if our team was so weak, where is your big win too ...vandy maybe it was texas ...nope seem like you lost to questionable teams, too

 

[MedDawg]

This. We must fix the defense. It has gotten worse each year since Manny's departure (what he's done at Texas is irrelevant to our team's performance).

Not true. Our defense got better from 2010 to 2011, both in total defense and scoring defense. In 2010, we were #21 in scoring defense and we improved to #16 last season. We are #29 right now.

 

[ket7450]

Super soft early season schedule.

Struggled to beat the cream puffs on the schedule.

Only beat teams that had a horrible record.


Once MSU started to play decent to good teams, the team was run off the court field.

I've read so many times that winning 20 games in basketball don't mean **** because of a crappy schedule, yet 8 wins in football due in large part to a crappy schedule and you are happy? I would think you would be the first one on here trying to hold Mullen accountable.

I mean, he just lost to a HS girls basketball coach that had two seniors totals starting, and lost despite having junior/senior laden NBA NFL talent - Slay, Boyd, Gabe Jackson, Perkins and Banks will all probably be drafted.

So lets recap:

Winning with a soft schedule - Check.

Losing to teams despite having more pro talent - Check.

Running an offense that doesn't play to the team's strengths - Check

Coach, Mullen seems like a perfect candidate for you to run off. Chad Morris is available.

That's gonna leave a mark.

 

[MadDawg.sixpack]

That's gold right there.

 

[RougeDawg]

I'm fairly certain that the attitude and on field play over the past month is..

Why people are griping and moaning. The all around lackluster effort has left everyone wondering what the 17 is wrong! Our defense would take complete series off and play with 0 emotion and effort, make ****** excuses of even arm tackle attempts, and let teams make us look like a CUSA defense.

If we'd finished 8-4 with relentless effort, leaving everything on the field every game, not many would be complaining.

But, if what we saw this year is all we have, then we and Dan have a 17ing long road ahead of us.

 

[OBReb.sixpack]

.

if our team was so weak, where is your big win too ...vandy maybe it was texas ...nope seem like you lost to questionable teams, too

Weren't we the ones that were supposed to win 3 games this season? I think we get more than a pass.

At least we looked like we had a football team in most of our losses.

 

[Koldfire]

Wilson is not going to be fired- I say that with about 95% certainty. But I do expect a couple of coaching changes.

When we get better on the DL- we'll get better defensively. That's where it all begins whether it's offense or defense. Cherry graduating makes that unit better. We have had youth on the DL- they will all be 2nd and 3rd year players next season- it's time for them to step up and play to their potential beginning this Spring.

I agree that some changes need to be made- and we don't have to be "satisfied" by going 8-4. But overall, we should be happy. Satisfied- no. Happy- yes.

What coaching changes do you expect?

 

[Railin Jemmye]

In Coach34's defense, he did address this already.....

here.

I wouldn't expect you to see it from that perspective though, since it's so easy to feast on our fans' insecurities.

 

[CookieMonster.sixpack]

Not true. Our defense got better from 2010 to 2011, both in total defense and scoring defense. In 2010, we were #21 in scoring defense and we improved to #16 last season. We are #29 right now.

Rushing yards allowed per game...2010: 119; 2011: 153; 2012: 166

Rushing first downs allowed...2010: 95; 2011: 118; 2012: 126

Passing yards allowed per game...2011: 197; 2012 223.

Third down conversions allowed...2010: 35%; 2011: 36%; 2012: 41%.

Do you see a trend here?

 

[Railin Jemmye]

At least we ........

Perfect way to start some good eggbowl.com smack.

 

[HueFreeze]

wouldn't that be on auburn and arkansas more than us ...you had us 9-3? or 10-2?


show me the column where it matters if you get beat by 3 or 10?
I will show you the column where Alabama says MSU is the biggest game we have played so far...

 

[JackShephard]

don't forget his old sig line about stansbury's record vs. top 25 teams. Here's a new one for him. Mullen is 3-20 in games that matter. All 3 wins are against Ole Miss, and only one of thos 3 was against an Ole Miss team that won an SEC game that year. I'm not saying to get rid of Mullen, but I think he has peaked. Like Stansbury, I think mediocrity is the norm under Mullen. Mediocre records, not necessarily, but mediocre results when all things are considered. The things to watch with Mullen over the next two seasons to confirm this assumption are: 1. Does he hire a real ST coach (my guess is no), 2. Does OL recruiting and/or development improve (Hevesy needs to go for this to happen IMO), 3. Does DL play improve (the talent is there...young, but there), 4. Do we change our defensive scheme. If these 4 things happen, results will improve. If not, our schedule will dictate our number of wins for as long as Dan is here.

 

[HueFreeze]

i remember beating UGA and Florida...

why don't you name the bad losses from our last 50 games with Mullen as our head coach...

 

[MedDawg]

I got a ? who did you beat in 2003?
Fact of the matter is nobody will give a **** who we played or who we beat, in 2 years ...it is about wins
example: who the hell did USM beat last year

Does 20 wins in basketball get you to post season, cause 8 in football does

I like two of your points....

No one really cares who you beat or lose to to get there. Who besides a few State fans remember that OM played two I-AA teams in 2009 and went to the Cotton Bowl at only 4-4 in the SEC? State has been 4-4 or better in the SEC 10 times since Sherrill came to State, but do we have 10 trips to the Cotton Bowl?

A few years from now all anyone will see from 2010-2012 is two NYD bowls in 3 years and 3 bowls in a row, a rarity in our history (hopefully they'll see more than that 2013 and later).




8-4 in football isn't equivalent to a 20-win basketball season...probably more like a 24-25 win basketball season (after the SEC tourney) and a guaranteed trip to a bowl/the NCAA tourney.

Therein lies the problem with our easy preconference basketball games....the problem wasn't PLAYING them, the problem was LOSING them. If we had won them all and finished the season with 24-25 wins, then we would have been an easy at large NCAA pick. In more than one season we were just a game or two from making the NCAA's, but we also had preconference losses to Winthrop, Rider, Charlotte, Richmond, etc. and only 20 or 21 total wins.

 

[Coach34]

the best team we have beaten is a toss-up between La Tech, MTSU, and Wake.

See- here is where the propaganda leads people astray.

Beating Tennessee for the 1st time since the 1990's is a good win. I dont care what their record is.
Beating UPig like a drum was a good win. We rarely beat them
Beating Auburn is always a good win

Stop feeding the propaganda machine. Beating upper-level SEC teams are good wins- regardless of their record in that particular season.

 

[Railin Jemmye]

100% agree.

 

[MSDawg34]

We gave up more yards this year than we earned.

That is all.

 

[War Machine Dawg]

If Mullen keeps Wilson solely because he's supposedly some hotshot recruiter, then Mullen's *** should be put on notice next season. 8 wins or else. If he wants to have a soft Big 12 D in the SEC, then he needs to feel the consequences. And yes, I stand by this. Call me crazy if you wish. But I'm sick of watching a defense with so much talent play the same ****** Big 12 schemes that got Torbush fired. I'm sick of watch a D with so much talent give up 10 rushing first downs a game. I'm sick of watching a D with so much talent get physically whipped because they're trying to read and react instead of attacking. Wilson must go, or Mullen must have severe consequences for keeping him and allowing the D continuing to physically deteriorate with superior talent. Period.

 

[maroondog]

4 things:
#1. Good Comparison: look at Kentucky before Joker and during Joker Phillips: In DAN I trust! Best MSU coach I have seen since 1977
#2. All the Defensive stats discussed, you almost have to throw the A&M game out. Johnny football destroyed everyone the last half of the year
#3. My complaint: the offensive line went down hill during the year, no improvement I could see. ***** about that bunch. Luckily Dan inherited a good O Line in 2010
#4. Besides us, who the hell did Ole Miss beat?

 

[TheOMlawdog]

Look I'm happy y'all fired Stansbury.

Id be happy if you fired Mullen.