OK Strick- Groce is gone- I say we go the Kenny F'ing Payne route

[majp51]

They hired John Pelphrey, who was considered a hot young mid-major coach and was a Pitino disciple and a favorite of his. Most everyone was talking about what a good hire they had made, even without getting their first choice. The fact is, not many schools get their first choice these days. Mid-majors are not nearly as quick to jump to the next level as they used to be.

You do know that Pelphrey was near the bottom of Arkansas' original list right? And Dana Altman was not their first choice either. Pelphrey had one good season and his Kentucky pedigree before Arkansas. In his second season he had several NCAA secondary violations, the worst was one he was clueless about and rather than checking with compliance (it involved pictures and being able to accept clothing) he just let the players do it. He was a disaster as far as discipline was concerned.<div>
</div><div>The reality is we want better than that, and my point is be perared that it may be a few coaches before we find the "right " one, so long as our AD is willing to pull the plugs on "Coaches with potential" we will get the right one in short order, and we may even get the right one the first time.</div><div>
</div><div>All I'm saying is be aware that schools with far more resources and pedigree than us have had bumpy roads, so don't be surprised if ours is too.
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[ckDOG]

Hell no. He's more worried about finding the next MJ and LeBron. He cares about being in the spotlight of the highest profile sporting events in the world and around the highest profile athletes. Your and idiot if you think his goals involve funneling athletes to MSU.

 

[tcdog]

They hired John Pelphrey, who was considered a hot young mid-major coach and was a Pitino disciple and a favorite of his. Most everyone was talking about what a good hire they had made, even without getting their first choice. The fact is, not many schools get their first choice these days. Mid-majors are not nearly as quick to jump to the next level as they used to be.

You do know that Pelphrey was near the bottom of Arkansas' original list right? And Dana Altman was not their first choice either. Pelphrey had one good season and his Kentucky pedigree before Arkansas. In his second season he had several NCAA secondary violations, the worst was one he was clueless about and rather than checking with compliance (it involved pictures and being able to accept clothing) he just let the players do it. He was a disaster as far as discipline was concerned.<div>
</div><div>The reality is we want better than that, and my point is be perared that it may be a few coaches before we find the "right " one, so long as our AD is willing to pull the plugs on "Coaches with potential" we will get the right one in short order, and we may even get the right one the first time.</div><div>
</div><div>All I'm saying is be aware that schools with far more resources and pedigree than us have had bumpy roads, so don't be surprised if ours is too.
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I really hope our AD can pull off what these other sister Schools have failed at. They have more money, facilities, location and some tradition.

 

[Coach34]

He's finally realized that if he simply copies and pastes what I have to say about the candidates, he'll give the appearance that he knows something about it.

Even though - as he has proven for years - he really doesn't.

 

[Coach34]

Hell no. He's more worried about finding the next MJ and LeBron. He cares about being in the spotlight of the highest profile sporting events in the world and around the highest profile athletes. Your and idiot if you think his goals involve funneling athletes to MSU.

 

[Uncle Ruckus]

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His father died 3 years ago, and told him to go to MSU.

</span></div>didn't another 5 star recruit in a different sport say the same thing?

 

[DowntownDawg]

...I was ready to gamble on a different approach. It doesn't matter who we are. They will not be a sure thing. Even if they have head coaching experience, they don't have it in Starkville, MS. Dan Mullen had just as much chance of being a flop as he did of being successful. Coaching hires are crapshoots because of all the variables. The one exception that I can think of is Saban's hire by Alabama. He had had success in the same division of the same conference at a comparable school. Since we can't go get John Calipari, we've got a 50/50 chance of landing somebody who will ultimately be successful. What we did know is that outside of his magical 4 year run, Rick made 2 tournament appearances in 10 years, with only one of those being an at large bid. Obviously, when you have a sample size of 14 years, and ten of those years are one way, and 4 of those years are different, it's easy to spot the trend.

We didn't really have that much to lose. If the new coach turns us into Auburn, how is that any worse than getting your hopes up every year only to see us flame out and land in the NIT and lose in the first 2 games? And if he does, we'll repeat the process in a few years.

You may be right about Sidney. But something like 117 teams won 20 games last year. That means jack. Whether or not these prospective coaches view the circus as a deterrent, I almost guarantee you that they view the lack of recent success as a deterrent.

They ought to be looking at that Mize center, our passionate fanbase, the fact that our rival is not really a factor in this sport, and the relative openness of the conference. There's a pretty big opportunity for somebody.

 

[o_fredgarvin]

He's late in the game because he had a professional basketball career. Payne played pro ball for 11 years (4 in the NBA). Collins played two years in Finland!

 

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its +*%@@%% Nebraska of course he would turned them down. They suck at
basketball and always have. The basketball programs at Nebraska will
always behind their football program, women's volleyball and the
baseball team. Yes they just built a new arena but the head basketball
coaching job there is the equivalent of the Duke football job. No one
cares! If you don't MS is a more attractive job than Nebraska you are
sadly mistaken.

You totally missed the post less joke. All you
offered in your post was a bunch of cry baby ******** about how no one
is interested in our job. You should take a step back and listen to some
the of older posters like coach because I promise we are more in the
know then you.

My bad.....I didn't know that you and
coach were"in the know." I will be glad to offer any apologyyou
wantif we hire Gregg Marshall but I promise you, with a 100% certainty,
that we will not get Gregg Marshall.

We're not about to hire Kenny F'ing Payne or Joe Dooley either
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[HD6]

How is that working out for Auburn? Elite recruits being shipped in by the droves?

 

[maroonmania]

our problem was not lack of players under Stans and it wouldn't be lack of players if we brought Kirby back either. At least for me Kirby is more of a known quantity. Other than the fact that Payne grew up in Laurel I don't know anything about why he would fit at MSU. Recruiting players at KY shows me very little since KY recruits itself and Mr. Snake Oil man is their HC. Kirby has at least already recruited players to MSU and done so successfully. If we can't have someone I can have confidence with going forward and its just a total roll of the dice then I will just take someone who I at least know helped Stans have the best years he had here.

 

[skint8186]

I would much rather have Antigua than Payne. Payne is like the 3rd assistant behind Antigua and Robic. I will admit that Payne is a good recruiter, but Antigua is the guy who brought in Wall, Cousins, Bledsoe, and Orton. All first round draft picks. Payne wasn't even apart of that group. Antigua and Robic are always the most involved coaches on the sideline, while Payne just looks dumbfounded.

Iabsolutely love this post. No mention of the guy who's getting paid $4MM+. Trust me. If Antigua had been on Trent Johnson's staff, he wouldn't have brought in Wall, Cousins, Bledsoe and Orton. Andfor the record, Orton signed with Gillespie.

<div>The assitants are the one who do most of the grunt work and establish the initial relationships. He would have done a much better job than Trent Johnson. And by the way he is considered one of the top recruiters in the nation. But you are right.</div><div>
</div>For the record, Orton was a Calipari recruit. Same recruiting class as Wall, Cousins, Bledsoe, Hood, and Dodson. One of the sickest classes I've seen Here is the ]http://kentucky.scout.com/a.z?s=48&p=9&cfg=bb&c=4&yr=2009[/url]<div>
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[BillBraskyDOG]

Jeez, peaches you are flip flopping all over the place.

 

[squirldawg]

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[Ol Blue.sixpack]

I would much rather have Antigua than Payne. Payne is like the 3rd assistant behind Antigua and Robic. I will admit that Payne is a good recruiter, but Antigua is the guy who brought in Wall, Cousins, Bledsoe, and Orton. All first round draft picks. Payne wasn't even apart of that group. Antigua and Robic are always the most involved coaches on the sideline, while Payne just looks dumbfounded.

Iabsolutely love this post. No mention of the guy who's getting paid $4MM+. Trust me. If Antigua had been on Trent Johnson's staff, he wouldn't have brought in Wall, Cousins, Bledsoe and Orton. Andfor the record, Orton signed with Gillespie.

<div>But you are right. (Truer words have never been spoken)</div><div>
</div>For the record, Orton was a Calipari recruit. Same recruiting class as Wall, Cousins, Bledsoe, Hood, and Dodson. One of the sickest classes I've seen Here is the ]http://kentucky.scout.com/a.z?s=48&p=9&cfg=bb&c=4&yr=2009[/url]<div>
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Orton and Hood signed with Gillespie in the fall. The others defected from Memphis after Cal came on board the next spring. <div>
</div><div>http://www.wildcatnation....aid-off-for-Daniel-Orton</div>

 

[Coach34]

when Kirby left, everybody said he was just a yes man

 

[Coach34]

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[HD6]

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[Coach34]

I knew damn well I changing my stance this morning...hell, when Todd and my webcast debuts tomorrow- I'm downing Payne on it. I completely changed my stance on him this morning

Whats with the riiiiiight bs?

 

[BillBraskyDOG]

You didn't even know til today he was the 3rd asst on that team. You've been railing for weeks that scott wants someone under 45 and now you're supporting a 46 year old who's never even sniffed a head coaching job anywhere? And quit with the worldwide wes stuff, you know that's not how he operates, or at least you should know.

 

[Ol Blue.sixpack]

you've been craving you some KP since my post two weeks ago. You've just been waiting for it to slip to page 20 before you copied and pasted it.<div>
</div><div>BTW, don't use my stuff on that cheesy webcast of yours or I'll use my SPU law degree and sue your *** off.</div>

 

[HD6]

and I enjoy watching you flip-flop. I am looking forward to hearing about how great Joe Dooley is two days from now.

 

[Coach34]

You didn't even know til today he was the 3rd asst on that team. You've been railing for weeks that scott wants someone under 45 and now you're supporting a 46 year old who's never even sniffed a head coaching job anywhere? And quit with the worldwide wes stuff, you know that's not how he operates, or at least you should know.

Cause I'd like to see where I said he was or wasn't the 3rd asst...because I know it didn't happen

 

[Coach34]

you've been craving you some KP since my post two weeks ago. You've just been waiting for it to slip to page 20 before you copied and pasted it.<div>
</div><div>BTW, don't use my stuff on that cheesy webcast of yours or I'll use my SPU law degree and sue your *** off.</div>

Of the boil on life's ***

 

[patdog]

Time will tell if they hit a home run or not. It's always a risk hiring any new coach. Plenty of coaches have had great success at one school and then failed at the next. And Martin is a guy who could completely implode at any time.

 

[patdog]

If I completely change my opinion on something enough times, I'll eventually be right. Then I'll never let everybody else hear about how 17ing smart I am.

 

[o_riverdawg]

Say a little bit of everything and you'll never be wrong. And then he'll crow about how right he was about something, well of course he was right. When you give 10 different opinions, one is going to hit. I remember back before the season ended, Coach said for $2 million we could have Gregg Marshall. Now he's pimping the 3rd assistant for Kentucky who nobody had ever heard of 2 weeks ago because that might be all we're left with. If we hire Payne and he succeeds, Coach will say "I told you Payne would be a great hire!" If we hire Payne and he fails miserably, Coach will say "I knew we shouldn't have hired Payne. We should have gone harder after Gregg Marshall. He would have come for the right price." Instead of coaching private school basketball, he should have been a politician. Would have fit right in with all the spinning.

 

[mstateglfr]

I knew damn well I changing my stance this morning...hell, when Todd and my webcast debuts tomorrow- I'm downing Payne on it. I completely changed my stance on him this morning

Whats with the riiiiiight bs?

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[BillBraskyDOG]

Peaches, you wouldn't have started this thread that we hire him if you knew he was the 3rd. Please tell us what your "sources" told you to change your mind.

 

[Coach34]

I know exactly what his 17'ing role is at Kentucky

 

[BillBraskyDOG]

Peaches is your "source" telling you about kenny payne the same "source" that told you shaka smart wanted our job? Was warm to coaching msu?

 

[Coach34]

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[BillBraskyDOG]

So you never said this........

"Sources say VCU coach Shaka Smart has been contacted and is warm to the idea of possibly being the Bulldogs next head coach."

Someone has stolen your sad identity is you didn't say that.

 

[Coach34]

So you never said this........

"Sources say VCU coach Shaka Smart has been contacted and is warm to the idea of possibly being the Bulldogs next head coach."

Someone has stolen your sad identity is you didn't say that.

I didnt say Shaka was- just passing what I was told and the number that was given to get him interested...I also said his number that his agent gave us was way above what we were willing to pay

 

[BillBraskyDOG]

So you made it up, I called you on it, and you still won't admit it. Can't wait to hear where you flop next on this coaching search.

 

[MSUfanLivinAbroad]

you cant have a coach discussion without honarably mentioning rocky felker.