OK Strick- Groce is gone- I say we go the Kenny F'ing Payne route

[Coach34]

Shaka has stars in his eyes- I get that
I dont know wtf is up with Marshall- I wish you would leak that because I'm curious
Illinois screwed us on Groce- that decision is understandable too

Let's go with the Payne

He is known for 2 things- recruiting and working with post players. If he brings in ANY discipline and a work ethic- it will be an improvement over what we have had the last few years. He has some connections, and hopefully enough to get us going.

4 year deal. Give him enough money to hire a couple of good assistants- making sure one of these guys is a solid X-O man

Next year was going to be ugly if Coach K was our coach- so he would get a freebie coming in- then 3 years to really see what he is made of.

If he can bring a little discipline and have a team that plays hard- we will already be going in the right direction.

Dont let this chance slip away- it probably has a better chance of working than anything else out there at this point

 

[Coach34]

Shaka has stars in his eyes- I get that
I dont know wtf is up with Marshall- I wish you would leak that because I'm curious
Illinois screwed us on Groce- that decision is understandable too

Let's go with the Payne

He is known for 2 things- recruiting and working with post players. If he brings in ANY discipline and a work ethic- it will be an improvement over what we have had the last few years. He has some connections, and hopefully enough to get us going.

4 year deal. Give him enough money to hire a couple of good assistants- making sure one of these guys is a solid X-O man

Next year was going to be ugly if Coach K was our coach- so he would get a freebie coming in- then 3 years to really see what he is made of.

If he can bring a little discipline and have a team that plays hard- we will already be going in the right direction.

Dont let this chance slip away- it probably has a better chance of working than anything else out there at this point

 

[Coach34]

Shaka has stars in his eyes- I get that
I dont know wtf is up with Marshall- I wish you would leak that because I'm curious
Illinois screwed us on Groce- that decision is understandable too

Let's go with the Payne

He is known for 2 things- recruiting and working with post players. If he brings in ANY discipline and a work ethic- it will be an improvement over what we have had the last few years. He has some connections, and hopefully enough to get us going.

4 year deal. Give him enough money to hire a couple of good assistants- making sure one of these guys is a solid X-O man

Next year was going to be ugly if Coach K was our coach- so he would get a freebie coming in- then 3 years to really see what he is made of.

If he can bring a little discipline and have a team that plays hard- we will already be going in the right direction.

Dont let this chance slip away- it probably has a better chance of working than anything else out there at this point

 

[Coach34]

Shaka has stars in his eyes- I get that
I dont know wtf is up with Marshall- I wish you would leak that because I'm curious
Illinois screwed us on Groce- that decision is understandable too

Let's go with the Payne

He is known for 2 things- recruiting and working with post players. If he brings in ANY discipline and a work ethic- it will be an improvement over what we have had the last few years. He has some connections, and hopefully enough to get us going.

4 year deal. Give him enough money to hire a couple of good assistants- making sure one of these guys is a solid X-O man

Next year was going to be ugly if Coach K was our coach- so he would get a freebie coming in- then 3 years to really see what he is made of.

If he can bring a little discipline and have a team that plays hard- we will already be going in the right direction.

Dont let this chance slip away- it probably has a better chance of working than anything else out there at this point

 

[Coach34]

Shaka has stars in his eyes- I get that
I dont know wtf is up with Marshall- I wish you would leak that because I'm curious
Illinois screwed us on Groce- that decision is understandable too

Let's go with the Payne

He is known for 2 things- recruiting and working with post players. If he brings in ANY discipline and a work ethic- it will be an improvement over what we have had the last few years. He has some connections, and hopefully enough to get us going.

4 year deal. Give him enough money to hire a couple of good assistants- making sure one of these guys is a solid X-O man

Next year was going to be ugly if Coach K was our coach- so he would get a freebie coming in- then 3 years to really see what he is made of.

If he can bring a little discipline and have a team that plays hard- we will already be going in the right direction.

Dont let this chance slip away- it probably has a better chance of working than anything else out there at this point

 

[Coach34]

Shaka has stars in his eyes- I get that
I dont know wtf is up with Marshall- I wish you would leak that because I'm curious
Illinois screwed us on Groce- that decision is understandable too

Let's go with the Payne

He is known for 2 things- recruiting and working with post players. If he brings in ANY discipline and a work ethic- it will be an improvement over what we have had the last few years. He has some connections, and hopefully enough to get us going.

4 year deal. Give him enough money to hire a couple of good assistants- making sure one of these guys is a solid X-O man

Next year was going to be ugly if Coach K was our coach- so he would get a freebie coming in- then 3 years to really see what he is made of.

If he can bring a little discipline and have a team that plays hard- we will already be going in the right direction.

Dont let this chance slip away- it probably has a better chance of working than anything else out there at this point

 

[ckDOG]

He's coached at Kentucky and Nike U. He's not exactly handicapped at either of those places...

 

[tcdog]

He would be a cluster in Starville. KP out of all the assts. and Mid major Hot shots is a better choice, I agree.But In reality, Kermit jr. would be My choice, He can Coach his ***-off and he understands the landscape of MSU. Hell , let Him go sign Kirby back or Butch Pierre as a recruiter and then Coach them. look at what he has done at Mid Tn. Baggage Scamaggage, Look at the baggage Calipari brought KY, who the 17 cares. But this won't happen so bring on KP and let's get it on.

 

[hankp]

I hope this happens.

 

[patdog]

Seriously, Croce would be a cluster and the top guy for the job is Kermit Davis Jr? WTF? Seriously, that may be the dumbest name I've seen anyone mention.

 

[msudawg200]

Weren't you the same one who said that "if we hire Payne, I don't consider that upgrading, just more of the same" or something along those lines?

Now, I understand some names have gone off the board here but how can you now WANT Kenny Payne if its "just more of the same" from the guy who's been wanting change for so long?

Just curious.

 

[Wizard.sixpack]

He was also recruiting Pollard....He chose Polythress....I would imagine he is not on Pollards good side.

 

[Coach34]

and have found out they arent quite what they thought they were-they just fired a guy with 6 Tourneys in 9 years


of course they arent fired up about Groce

 

[Coach34]

Weren't you the same one who said that "if we hire Payne, I don't consider that upgrading, just more of the same" or something along those lines?

Now, I understand some names have gone off the board here but how can you now WANT Kenny Payne if its "just more of the same" from the guy who's been wanting change for so long?

Just curious.

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[tcdog]

You can't even spell Groce's name right. 5 years from now Kermit will still be winning basketball games and Croce (Groce) will be gone like a fart in the breeze. If the Akron guy make His last shot Ohio woulda been in the NIT and nobody would even know His name. Sorta like you now. Take the LT remark and stick up your ***.

 

[Ol Blue.sixpack]

The Illini have the same inflated opinion about there program that he/she has about MSU's.

BTW, I notice you've resorted to copying and pasting my posts about what Kenny Payne brings to the table.

Gotta love that.

 

[Paper Dog]

nt

 

[Thick]

His father died 3 years ago, and told him to go to MSU. Pollard had a problem with the direction of the program and supposedly Sidney. Pollard is waiting for us to hire someone, and Payne would cement that deal.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

Ohio was up three and Akron fouled them instead of letting them shoot a three. Akron guy makes the first and tries to miss the second but it goes in so they lose by one.

I do agree that Ohio was NIT bound without that win, and Groce was flavor of the month. That being said. at least he was a flavor. Payne doesn't do much for me.

 

[msudawg200]

For what it's worth, I tend to agree that it will be more of the same, except that I think Payne would bring more discipline to the program, which actually makes a big difference.

He wouldn't be my first choice, but I wouldn't call him a disaster either.

 

[futaba.79]

an unproven assistant is an upgrade over our all time winner? Is that correct?

 

[Coach34]

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[BillBraskyDOG]

A guy that's been an assistant for 8 years. Never gotten a sniff at a head coaching spot anywhere and is the second-highest regarded assistant on that staff? What happened to all the head coaches interested in our job? Never existed? Right

 

[Coach34]

an unproven assistant is an upgrade over our all time winner? Is that correct?

that recruits hard, is great with post players, and disciplines his team would be better than what we have had the last few years.


Do you think 2012 Stansbury is still equal to 2004 Stansbury?

 

[shotgunDawg]

I think we are debating coaches that we have no idea who they are and what they are about. We are just simply getting excited about a resume. This is why you INTERVIEW people. It doesn't matter to me what someone did somewhere else, so long as they are the right person with the right values and traits to lead this program. The reason for this is that circumstances are always different at different places. For example, if a coach took over a dumpster fire at another program that took a few year to get his feet underneath him, then that coach is likely to not have a great record. Does that mean he isn't the greatest coach on Earth? No. Coach K was doing terrible at Duke his first 3 or 4 year, but you know what? He learned, adapted, and figured it out.

What if there is a young head coach out there that didn't have it all together when he was hired, but experience has now taught him some valuable leasons that now have him ready to be the great coach he really can be. This is why you have to have a good AD. Bad ADs hire off of a resume, good ADs have the ability to actually know the qualities he is looking for, and searches out for the RIGHT person to lead the program, not just a guy that had some success somewhere else.

Also, I am tired of the conversation that "We don't know if a Kentucky assistant can recruit". Well we don't know if a mid-major coach can recruit either. At-least a Kentucky assistant is accustom and has connections into recruiting the same caliber players we are trying to recruit. How would a mid-major coach have connections with WWW? They are used to recruiting scraps and piecing them together. The point is we just don't know and these continious threads about "Not an exciting hire" are just pointless and stupid. That is why we have Scott, you know to actually interview and stuff.....

 

[patdog]

and now that you realize that we might wind up with a Kenny Payne, you're going to hype him up as much as you can to try to make him look as much better than Stans as you can. </p>

 

[chew1095]

without a nonsensical diatribe from Goat about the Stansbury firing and how such will lead to the bane of MSU basketball's existence.

 

[Wizard.sixpack]

nm

 

[Coach34]

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[catvet]

this search had been a failure. We were turned down by guys we shouldn't have even talked to, We made a serious run at Marshall and he said no. Now we are waiting on some assistant on the K staff. There was not the interest in the job that we thought and we are now in no better position than we were in 1997. The problem this time is that if this coach fails, we will not even compete for NIT berths. Stricklin, didn't keep looking and now is about to give into the pressure of some cigar boys. Frankly, there is no other way to spin this except we are not a top 100 program.

 

[AthensBully]

this search had been a failure. We were turned down by guys we shouldn't have even talked to, We made a serious run at Marshall and he said no. Now we are waiting on some assistant on the K staff. There was not the interest in the job that we thought and we are now in no better position than we were in 1997. The problem this time is that if this coach fails, we will not even compete for NIT berths. Stricklin, didn't keep looking and now is about to give into the pressure of some cigar boys. Frankly, there is no other way to spin this except we are not a top 100 program.

You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.

 

[slickdawg]

and now that you realize that we might wind up with a Kenny Payne, you're going to hype him up as much as you can to try to make him look as much better than Stans as you can. </p>

Stans completely lost control of the program. We've got more and more players saying that we weren't a team, yada yada yada. There was clearly little to no discipline. We kept Stans to secure last years awesome recruiting class. You know, the one that we've lost 60% of.

It's gonna be tough to find a candidate that can do much worse than the direction we were/are headed.

 

[catvet]

this search had been a failure. We were turned down by guys we shouldn't have even talked to, We made a serious run at Marshall and he said no. Now we are waiting on some assistant on the K staff. There was not the interest in the job that we thought and we are now in no better position than we were in 1997. The problem this time is that if this coach fails, we will not even compete for NIT berths. Stricklin, didn't keep looking and now is about to give into the pressure of some cigar boys. Frankly, there is no other way to spin this except we are not a top 100 program.

You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.

I know the list of guys we have interviewed, who we offered, who turned us down and who we turned down. We are scrambling. If you think we aren't then you really have no clue.

 

[msudogsrule01]

If I don't know who has/will be interviewed, then you sure as hell don't unless you are actually one of the 3-4 people working with Strick. I am pretty sure you aren't, since they don't post here.

 

[ckDOG]

It's pretty obvious. He has to change his opinions now so he can keep the "I'm so smart, we should have fired Stans several years ago" stance so he can hang it over a few posters heads over the next couple of years.

Now, he's right that we were due for a change, but he failed to take in account that we could 17 up the hire. I want change also, but I'm not stubborn enough to admit that any change is better than no change. Going from Stansbury to an unproven assistant is risky business. I'd feel much more comfortable with having a more seasoned guy take over - which is still yet to be seen, but I'm not getting very good vibes.

 

[patdog]

I'm completely behind that decision no matter who we wind up hiring. But a lot of posters are getting a reality check as to just where MSU basketball stands in the list of top jobs that coaches line up to get. It's a decent job and we'll hire a decent coach, but this job was never anywhere near as attractive as a lot of people wanted to believe it was. If our next coach can do as well as Stans did over his entire career, we'll be damn lucky.

 

[Raiderdawg78]

5 years from now Kermit will still be winning basketball games

Kermit has a career 57.8% winning percentage and a 57.5% winning percentage in 10 years at MTSU (if you count wins versus DII and NAIA teams).Most MTSU fans have wanted KD fired for years. Attendance dropped for the past 4 consecutive seasons before this year. He gets a gift this season with a conference POY transferring to MTSU, has by FAR the most talented team in his conference, and manages to choke away a chance at the NCAA.<div>
</div><div>With Dendy gone next year, Kermit will be back to 15-19 wins, and MTSU will continue to not make the NCAA and probably not even the NIT next season.</div><div>
</div><div>Kermit is apparently a very nice man, but he is a mediocre coach at best.</div><div>
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[Ol Blue.sixpack]

you can't help but read every post I make, no matter how much they get under your skin.<div>
</div><div>And to steal a line from the ATT commercial, that comment you made about Kenny Payne working well with post players is so 2 weeks ago.</div><div>
</div><div>Keep reading, Peachbowl. You might learn something about sports.</div>

 

[Foronce]

while he has his wife and kids at the softball game...

 

[Coach34]

you can't help but read every post I make, no matter how much they get under your skin.<div>
</div><div>And to steal a line from the ATT commercial, that comment you made about Kenny Payne working well with post players is so 2 weeks ago.</div><div>
</div><div>Keep reading, Peachbowl. You might learn something about sports.</div>

every post you make is about me- it gets really creepy

The stuff on Payne is something I heard from a real person- not anything you read and then brought here