OT: 2022-23 NHL thread….Devils & Rangers & Islanders

TM94goRU

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Footspeed is a problem with him

Someone like Parayko is big but quicker
True, I just read Parayko is also available, but a no can do given his 7.5 million contract, not sure when it ends. So much easier without the salary cap.

In the would be nice, would cost too much, I turn to Quinn Hughes who is "available" reportedly. Haven't heard anything more on Wilson, I wonder the cost. Defenseman Joel Edmundson might be possible.

If they don't trade for a D man, that is a feather in the cap of Bahl, and shows how much they believe in the big man.
 

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Galante ***** no pressure system will kill him.
He’ll spend more time in his own end watching us reverse the puck backwards in one week than he has his entire career
It’s what I keep trying to tell you, Zap

A “too small and not physical enough” Jones (or Lundkvist when he was here) is more valuable than a physical guy like Harpur who can’t get the puck out of the zone with a pass or carrying it, so he does the reverse thing and gives up possession (although AFTER he loses possession and they are pinned in their own end, Gallant probably feels vindicated to have a big physical guy there fighting those “puck battles” that never should have happened).
 

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On his worst day Wood is much better than Lazar
Normally I side with the American, but the edge goes to Lazar IMO. Wood's stats are not great. He is "only" a pest, where Lazar is better at finishing things.

No inside information, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Wood moved today. Lazar is the type of player that the LA Kings had in 2012 that gave us fits. He plays bigger than he is. Give it time, you will like this.
 

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Timo out tonight. I would not have thought the Devils would get Meier/Zazar and still have a trade piece like Holtz leftover, if they want to recoup a high draft pick.

As unusual as brothers being traded for one another, how about the JVR saga. From motoring to Detroit, to stuck in cheese steak heaven, Philadelphia 😆.
 

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The NHL claims they are trying g to eliminate hits to the head. After watching Watson hit Motte last night I'm gonna call ********.

To be fair, on ice officials called a 5 minute major and a match penalty, but if you watch it, you can't tell me he didn't rise up to deliver the elbow at head level.
 

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Timo out tonight. I would not have thought the Devils would get Meier/Zazar and still have a trade piece like Holtz leftover, if they want to recoup a high draft pick.

As unusual as brothers being traded for one another, how about the JVR saga. From motoring to Detroit, to stuck in cheese steak heaven, Philadelphia 😆.
You almost have to feel for Flyers fans, they're 100% a dumpster fire and their GM Fletcher is clueless.
 
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TM94goRU

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You almost have to feel for Flyers fans, they're 100% a dumpster fire and their GM Fletcher is clueless.
Almost, not quite 😆. Yes clueless Chuck in damage control mode. I'm happy he is in Philly, and out of NJ.

The hard salary cap was the biggest player today.
 
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zappaa

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It’s what I keep trying to tell you, Zap

A “too small and not physical enough” Jones (or Lundkvist when he was here) is more valuable than a physical guy like Harpur who can’t get the puck out of the zone with a pass or carrying it, so he does the reverse thing and gives up possession (although AFTER he loses possession and they are pinned in their own end, Gallant probably feels vindicated to have a big physical guy there fighting those “puck battles” that never should have happened).
It’s not the players Krup but I understand Harpur sucks.
It’s the system imo.
Schneider looks lost now
 

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It’s not the players Krup but I understand Harpur sucks.
It’s the system imo.
Schneider looks lost now
It's both. The system is poor. Lack of puck support all over and little neutral zone / no blue line pressure.

There's no excuse other than Gallant stubbornness for giving Jones a look at 3LD.

The entire defense (including Fox) looks lost without Lindgren and Miller. Last night was painful to watch.
 
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Told reporters today, Luke would be a Devil as soon as Michigan done. Also, I think they love Bahl's potential. So with the cap tight and the asking price's high, we let young studs learn in the playoffs.

Bahl looks better this season compared to last , but I’m not sure he’s playoff ready yet
 

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The NHL claims they are trying g to eliminate hits to the head. After watching Watson hit Motte last night I'm gonna call ********.

To be fair, on ice officials called a 5 minute major and a match penalty, but if you watch it, you can't tell me he didn't rise up to deliver the elbow at head level.
Technically it was a major and a game misconduct, not a match penalty, which is only given out when it's a deliberate attempt to injure. Interesting hit to break down though because there are a few different penalties that are in play, and honestly most of them aren't really cut and dry one way or the other.

From watching the replay, I actually think the opposite is apparent--he was trying to put his shoulder into Motte's chest and just didn't get low enough. His elbow is tucked into his body until the follow-through, it's his shoulder/bicep that make contact with Motte's head, so I think we can rule out elbowing.

Now it's still against the rules to deliver a shoulder straight to the head, so is it an illegal check to the head? There is definitely contact to the head, but despite what Micheletti (perhaps the ultimate homer behind Jack Edwards) says, I think it's hard to tell from the two angles on the replay if the head was the principal point of contact. He might get his forearm into Motte's chest first, but he might not, it's a split second difference. Either way, an illegal check to the head can only be a minor penalty or a match penalty. If this were a deliberate attempt to injure, I think Watson would have been looking at Motte's head as he delivered the hit instead of facing away from him, which says to me it was accidental but reckless. Also, it is very unlikely someone would intentionally injure a guy he was teammates with two weeks ago, so I think we can rule out a match penalty, which means if they call it an illegal check to the head, it's only a minor.

The refs opted for charging, because that can be a major penalty, and a major for charging is an automatic game misconduct. To me it doesn't look like a typical charging penalty, he didn't accelerate into him--he was gliding from almost halfway across the ice--and he didn't leave his feet until after making contact. However, charging is an often misunderstood rule because people always bring up "three strides" or "left his feet" when really the actual rule doesn't say anything about either of those. It's actually pretty vague and leaves a lot to the ref's discretion. My guess is that the refs understood it wasn't a deliberate attempt to injure, but due to the apparent injury that did occur, they felt a minor for check to the head wasn't enough, so they went with charging so they could give him 5 and a game.

As for the lack of suspension, the department of player safety disagreed with this being charging. They felt it was a hit through the body with incidental contact to the head. Personally, I see where they're coming from, but I can also understand disagreeing with this. I just don't think there is a conclusive enough replay, at least not one that I've seen, that shows what the principal point of contact is. Tough call.
 
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Going downtown tonight with my cuz

Gonna find a bar that will show tonight’s game in Vegas

The bar scene down here is KILLER
 
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krup

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It’s not the players Krup but I understand Harpur sucks.
It’s the system imo.
Schneider looks lost now
It is the players too, because the Rangers value and play the guys they think fit that failed system. When Schneider was drafted the biggest flaw I saw noted was his struggle in handling the puck in his own zone, but the Rangers don’t value that enough and no surprise it is a problem.

If the Rangers changed to a better defensive system that values the defense being better at getting the puck out of the zone, Schneider wouldn’t fit it.
 
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The NHL claims they are trying g to eliminate hits to the head. After watching Watson hit Motte last night I'm gonna call ********.

To be fair, on ice officials called a 5 minute major and a match penalty, but if you watch it, you can't tell me he didn't rise up to deliver the elbow at head level.
Watson is a dirty player

He cheap shotted a Devil earlier this season.
 

zappaa

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Picking Devils to win Stanley Cip.
They will bludgeon Rangers if they play.
Pains me to say it
 

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April 8th is NCAA hockey championship
Luke will probably skate in practice for a week. Looking at April 15-ish if Michigan makes it to finals
 

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Technically it was a major and a game misconduct, not a match penalty, which is only given out when it's a deliberate attempt to injure. Interesting hit to break down though because there are a few different penalties that are in play, and honestly most of them aren't really cut and dry one way or the other.

From watching the replay, I actually think the opposite is apparent--he was trying to put his shoulder into Motte's chest and just didn't get low enough. His elbow is tucked into his body until the follow-through, it's his shoulder/bicep that make contact with Motte's head, so I think we can rule out elbowing.

Now it's still against the rules to deliver a shoulder straight to the head, so is it an illegal check to the head? There is definitely contact to the head, but despite what Micheletti (perhaps the ultimate homer behind Jack Edwards) says, I think it's hard to tell from the two angles on the replay if the head was the principal point of contact. He might get his forearm into Motte's chest first, but he might not, it's a split second difference. Either way, an illegal check to the head can only be a minor penalty or a match penalty. If this were a deliberate attempt to injure, I think Watson would have been looking at Motte's head as he delivered the hit instead of facing away from him, which says to me it was accidental but reckless. Also, it is very unlikely someone would intentionally injure a guy he was teammates with two weeks ago, so I think we can rule out a match penalty, which means if they call it an illegal check to the head, it's only a minor.

The refs opted for charging, because that can be a major penalty, and a major for charging is an automatic game misconduct. To me it doesn't look like a typical charging penalty, he didn't accelerate into him--he was gliding from almost halfway across the ice--and he didn't leave his feet until after making contact. However, charging is an often misunderstood rule because people always bring up "three strides" or "left his feet" when really the actual rule doesn't say anything about either of those. It's actually pretty vague and leaves a lot to the ref's discretion. My guess is that the refs understood it wasn't a deliberate attempt to injure, but due to the apparent injury that did occur, they felt a minor for check to the head wasn't enough, so they went with charging so they could give him 5 and a game.

As for the lack of suspension, the department of player safety disagreed with this being charging. They felt it was a hit through the body with incidental contact to the head. Personally, I see where they're coming from, but I can also understand disagreeing with this. I just don't think there is a conclusive enough replay, at least not one that I've seen, that shows what the principal point of contact is. Tough call.

Completely disagree. He starts to elevate before contact. There is always an "explosion" through the body on a good body check, but he was rising up before that.

Just my opinion, and we can disagree. Bottom line, I feel a hearing is required if they are looking to eliminate high hits and if a suspension or fine is not levied, so be it. But it is not a bridge too far for the league to have the player explain what happened.
 

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Devils = Speed out of their own end and through the neutral zone, they don’t reverse the puck when the opponent is changing, they take immediate advantage of the open ice, relentless puck pressure all over the ice.
They are the antithesis of the the GG backing up zone defense system, and ridiculous stationary circle back breakout with no speed philosophy.
Beating the dead horse again I know.
Bruins today, it will be ugly!
Hope I’m wrong
 
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Devils = Speed out of their own end and through the neutral zone, they don’t reverse the puck when the opponent is changing, they take immediate advantage of the open ice, relentless puck pressure all over the ice.
They are the antithesis of the the GG backing up zone defense system, and ridiculous stationary circle back breakout with no speed philosophy.
Beating the dead horse again I know.
Bruins today, it will be ugly!
Hope I’m wrong
Said it earlier…the way the move it looks like they are skating on the bigger ice.