They didn't start with them either. And every major sport keeps changing the rule for overtime because they suck.
OT: 2022-23 NHL thread….Devils & Rangers & Islanders
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With decent goaltending, this can be a great reg season team. Concerns with size and toughness come playoff time are real, but there is time and assets to fix that.
With overtime being so far removed from real hockey now with 3 on 3, I'm actually fine with the losing team getting a point because the way I see it, the actual hockey game ended in a tie, so each team gets a point. Personally I'd scrap the shootout completely and make overtime 5 on 5, but if we're going to have these gimmicks that I don't consider to be part of an actual hockey game, then each team gets 1 point for tying the game, and then they have 3 on 3 and shootout for an additional point. However, what makes the current points format awful is that winning an actual hockey game isn't any more rewarding than tying and then winning a 3 on 3 or shootout, so there isn't much of an incentive to try to win in regulation.
I know I've said this before, but you could have a team that ties every game and even if they only win half of the shootouts, they'd have 123 points, which is usually enough to win the Presidents Trophy. Hell, they could end up losing 75% of the time and they'd still come out with 100 points. Of course that's an extremely unlikely scenario, but it demonstrates the problem with the current points system. The European leagues have it right--3 points for a regulation win, 2 points for an OT/shootout win, 1 point for an OT/shootout loss, and 0 points for a regulation loss. Every game is worth the same amount and you end up leaving points on the table by not trying to win it in regulation.
Now if it were up to me, I'd abolish the farcical abomination that is the shootout, make overtime 10 minutes of 5 on 5, and do 3 points for a win, 1 for a tie, 0 for a loss. No more deciding winners by reducing a great team sport to a one on one contest, no more changing the fundamentals by artificially reducing the number of players on the ice, no more rewarding teams for losing, no more incentivizing just getting to overtime and then taking your chances in OT/shootout, and with a win being worth three times as much as a tie you wouldn't have teams sitting back in overtime just playing for a tie.
The real reason the NHL doesn't want to change the current format is because their season is so long--no other hockey league in the world has teams playing 82 games--so they need to artificially keep the standings as tight as possible to avoid having a ton of meaningless games late in the season. Making a win only 2 points and also giving a point to teams that lose after regulation makes it harder for teams to start pulling away from each other in the standings.
Outside of the playoffs (where you do need a winner) I’m fine with the old way with the score being the score at the end of 60 minutes…win, lose or tie. And move on to the next game.
This is an excellent illustration of the mathematical abomination that is this point system. Now, to be clear, the primary intent of my post was simply to rag on the Rangers for not even scoring a goal last night (no the 3 on 3 one doesn't count). The devils have scored what, 12 in the last 2 games?....maybe we can lend you guys a few...ha ha! Clearly they should not have gotten 2 points for that game, or maybe even one. But then again I tend to believe that the Rangers should never get any points for any games, so perhaps I'm not the best arbiter. Honestly, I guess there is something fun in the fact that the NHL chose to completely throw out the laws of math, and common sense, and just wing it as far as points go...if baseball tried to do something like that all the old purists would die of a collective heart attack on the spot, which might be fun to watch. Anyway it's nice to see that the division is finally reverting back to it's proper order with the Devils at the top, the Rangers in the middleish (just give it a week) and the Islanders....well, sorry guys, but back to the bottom for you.
Go back to the old way, enough with gimmicks. While I'm at it, scrap the damn trapezoid. Marty is not coming back at 50, and having goalies play the puck can be fun 
. I hate it when leagues outlaw skill.
First the NFL had the Mel Bount Rule
Year's later the NHL puts in the Martin Brodeur Rule.
. I hate it when leagues outlaw skill. First the NFL had the Mel Bount Rule
Year's later the NHL puts in the Martin Brodeur Rule.
Yep imagine if they made a rule in the 80s saying you couldn't stop behind the net to make a pass because Gretzky was too good at setting up goals that way. Bobby Clarke was the big proponent of this trapezoid rule because at the time he had 16 games a year against either Brodeur or DiPietro, but of course he had no problem with goalies playing the puck when he had Hextall in his net.Go back to the old way, enough with gimmicks. While I'm at it, scrap the damn trapezoid. Marty is not coming back at 50, and having goalies play the puck can be fun
First the NFL had the Mel Bount Rule
Year's later the NHL puts in the Martin Brodeur Rule.
100%. Great example with Gretzky.OT is fine, the idea that OT games are worth three total points while non-OT games are two is moronic. Teams play for the guaranteed point too much, and it is hard for teams to make a run up the standings when the teams they are chasing keep getting the loser points.
The easy solution is that every game is worth three points. You would see some great third periods later in the year when teams really need a regulation win and teams wouldn’t be eliminated from playoff contention nearly as early.
-3 pts for a regulation win
-2 pts for an OT or shootout win
-1 pt for an OT or shootout loss
-0 pts for a regulation loss
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Using the Rangers -Flyers game as an example of teams not deserving a point is foolish.
The Rangers had a ton of chances, hit 4 posts and Carter Hart played outstanding. Shesterkin had a Brodeur type game, where he wasn’t under much pressure but had to make several excellent saves on chances that came out of nowhere.
Trams shouldn’t be punished for excellent goaltending on both sides.
By the way, I had the Flyers pegged as the worst team in the league preseason. If Torts’ style of play is going to be backed by the type of goaltending Hart showed the other night, the Flyers are going to be a pain in the *** to play all year.
Exactly. Look what they did to "fix" the MLB All Star game. Dumbest thing ever. No problem with a tie regular season. NFL put in an overtime and there are still ties anyway.
A great come from behind victory in Edmonton by NJD. The Devils now have won 5 in a row. The Oilers are a tough fast team. This is the first game where I feel the Devils were largely outskated.
3 straight in 3rd
2 goals 7 seconds apart !!!
Devils 4-3 in Edmonton !!
2 goals 7 seconds apart !!!
Devils 4-3 in Edmonton !!
Took them ML down 3-1 after 2. What. A. Win. Bratt is going to get the bag.
I know it's way too early but... are these Devils for real this year?
Devils have embraced the quicker, fast paced style of the NHL and are being rewarded. I’m sure there will be games when their lack of size/physical play hurt them but speed is what the NHL wants. That’s why the 6’4” 230 lbs winger barely exists anymore.
Isles on a tear. Much better start to the season than last year. Looking forward to the game at Prudential Center on 12/9. Can we get The Knight Report to get a suite?
Rangers met a buzz saw last night.
It's early, but the Bruins seem legit; size, speed, talent, team grit and depth. Oh, and they are still missing pieces.
Again, very early, but they will be a tall order on most nights.
It's early, but the Bruins seem legit; size, speed, talent, team grit and depth. Oh, and they are still missing pieces.
Again, very early, but they will be a tall order on most nights.
Just yesterday, I made the +600 bet for the Devils to win their division this year. Good risk/reward at this point imo
I can’t see it happening especially with Palat out for the regular season and Blackwood always injured
All true but I think the odds are about 20-30%, which makes this bet worth it. There's also a chance Palat comes back this season I believe, and you never know the moves NJ might make before the trade deadline. Based on the quality of their wins this year so far (15% of the season) and the post game comments from some of their opposition, this team could be special. Again, they don't have to win the Cup for this bet to hit.
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Bernier will be back soon, if he has anything left. I also look for the NJD to be active before the trade deadline.
They can definitely win it without Palat, don't get me wrong, losing him is a big hit, but not that big of a hit that it will cripple them, they do have good depth.
Nice win by the NJD in overtime. The game highlighted one of our biggest problems, Fitzgerald must get some size, who can play.
The Devils won the 1st period and OT. I think Calgary came back to tie, because they beat on our smaller forwards.
Interesting side note. I don't watch a lot of Calgary games, their boards are very lively. The ice seemed smaller because the puck would come off the boards at a high rate of speed often.
The Devils won the 1st period and OT. I think Calgary came back to tie, because they beat on our smaller forwards.
Interesting side note. I don't watch a lot of Calgary games, their boards are very lively. The ice seemed smaller because the puck would come off the boards at a high rate of speed often.