OT: 2023 NY Jets Off Season Thread

[ashokan]

He threw for over 300 yards in last season's playoff loss vs Cincinnati in the cold. He's fine in the cold.

But he was 29/54 (25 misses) with 1 TD and 1 INT in a loss
Burrow was 24/34 with 2 TD and 0 INT
Even if he plays well in cold it doesn't mean he likes it enough to live in it.
When you play you warm-up and stop feeling cold
When you run out to get the paper in the frosty AM you can be like "Eff-it this sucks" lol

https://www.espn.com/nfl/boxscore/_/gameId/401326627

 

[krup]

That is what a team has to debate. Carr will be there and a team player but..,AR, is just that much better but you are truly going ALL IN.

The problem is the Jets would be going all in for a guy who doesn’t appear to have been all in for her last several years.

What if they trade picks and build their team around going for it with Rodgers, and he half asses a year and quits?

 

[Doctor Worm]

As expected, the Raiders released Carr today. Let the games begin.

 

[Colbert17!]

Not overall concerned about the OL. Remember that we played most of last season without Vera-Tucker who's a beast. If Becton could stay healthy and they draft another OL as most sites predict they would be set.
All except ....QB.

 

[BigEastPhil]

Not overall concerned about the OL. Remember that we played most of last season without Vera-Tucker who's a beast. If Becton could stay healthy and they draft another OL as most sites predict they would be set.
All except ....QB.

Becton needs to lose 100 pounds if he wants to stay healthy.

 

[krup]

Not overall concerned about the OL. Remember that we played most of last season without Vera-Tucker who's a beast. If Becton could stay healthy and they draft another OL as most sites predict they would be set.
All except ....QB.

At this point you have to work under the assumption Becton won’t be a factor, and that it would be a pleasant surprise if he is. They also need to get a long term C, and G depth.

 

[ashokan]

FWIW - Peter King says Jets interested in Lamar Jackson

https://thespun.com/more/top-stories/nfl-world-reacts-to-the-lamar-jackson-jets-news

 

[Doctor Worm]

Jets hosting Derek Carr this weekend at the Florham Park complex. What we don't know is whether they are prepared to go all-in to get him. Or whether they will slow play him while waiting on Rodgers and/or Jackson. Or somewhere in between.

 

[yesrutgers01]

Jets hosting Derek Carr this weekend at the Florham Park complex. What we don't know is whether they are prepared to go all-in to get him. Or whether they will slow play him while waiting on Rodgers and/or Jackson. Or somewhere in between.

My guess would be if Carr would like to be a Jet and agreeable to terms before either of those other 2…they sign him.
They pretty much give up nothing but money for him and keep a bunch of picks to sure up the OL, TE, LB group

 

[Roy_Faulker]

Agree - at this point it’s the better option. Rogers and Jackson command too high a price.

 

[Doctor Worm]

In a related note, a longtime Packers reporter reported today that the Packers are definitely moving on from Rodgers. To quote: “He’s not coming back. I mean, they’re disgusted with him, and they’re done with him. And they’re moving on.”

According to the report, the Packers believe that Rodgers mailed it in last year. They don't think he is working hard anymore. He blew off the offseason conditioning program, and showed up to camp in less than top shape.

 

[Roy_Faulker]

I think AR mailed it in because he felt the franchise let him down and started rebuilding before he was gone.

Will be interesting to see if he gets traded at all with that as a mark against him.

 

[ashokan]

Jets hosting Derek Carr this weekend at the Florham Park complex. What we don't know is whether they are prepared to go all-in to get him. Or whether they will slow play him while waiting on Rodgers and/or Jackson. Or somewhere in between.

Media acting like Carr vising Jets is a strong indicator of Carr interest but the free agents always play teams off each other to get their best deal. He's talking with Saints and Titans also

 

[yesrutgers01]

I have long been a "Go get Rodgers" - but the more I think about it- as good as AR is- he has at max, 3 years left to get it done, meanwhile, you are dropping 50+ on him and giving up super valuable picks.
And while I would still applaud the Jet's if they get it done, I have become more of a go get Carr, now that he is a FA and not a trade.
Most likely a much smaller cap hit without giving up those valuable picks. I may be wrong to assume we don't have to give up any for a UR FA but maybe I'm wrong.
And when I look at the Jet's- they really have a legit #1 and #2 WR pairing with Wilson/Moore. Use those picks on OL -maybe in mid rounds get another WR and add depth.
This team gets very good if we can get a trusted QB and good OL. The D is already loaded.

 

[Roy_Faulker]

I agree - once Carr got released it changed the game as we wouldn’t have to give up picks this year or next.

I think Rogers moves on but will be interesting to see what he costs. I think it will be less than they want since his attitude basically sucks (at least towards the packers but unknown about football) and everyone knows the Packers want him gone.

 

[Doctor Worm]

Like Punxsatawney Phil earlier this month, Aaron Rodgers has emerged from the darkness. And like Phil, we all want to know what it is that he now sees. Retirement? A return to the Packers? A request to be traded... maybe to the Jets?

Now we wait. For how long, only Rodgers knows. The question is how long will the Jets choose to wait.

FWIW, contrary to prior reports, the current buzz is that the Packers are NOT committed to moving on from Rodgers. They will take him back if he wants to come back. So who knows.

 

[RU Cheese]

I have long been a "Go get Rodgers" - but the more I think about it- as good as AR is- he has at max, 3 years left to get it done, meanwhile, you are dropping 50+ on him and giving up super valuable picks.
And while I would still applaud the Jet's if they get it done, I have become more of a go get Carr, now that he is a FA and not a trade.
Most likely a much smaller cap hit without giving up those valuable picks. I may be wrong to assume we don't have to give up any for a UR FA but maybe I'm wrong.
And when I look at the Jet's- they really have a legit #1 and #2 WR pairing with Wilson/Moore. Use those picks on OL -maybe in mid rounds get another WR and add depth.
This team gets very good if we can get a trusted QB and good OL. The D is already loaded.

With Daniel Jones rumored as seeking $45M a year, I don't think you're going to see a much smaller cap hit with Carr.

Draft picks and UFA vs. trade points all valid though.

 

[yesrutgers01]

With Daniel Jones rumored as seeking $45M a year, I don't think you're going to see a much smaller cap hit with Carr.

Draft picks and UFA vs. trade points all valid though.

I would think that even if Carr got that type of money- you would be signing him for 5 years vs 2 or 3 for Rodgers. I would think it gives you more flexibility on how you may be able to structure it.

I would be happy either way but the Jet D is so strong and first time in a long time it looks like they have some weapons on offense. Get that OL set and I think a guy like Carr could do some major damage. And the way it looks like the Jet's have finally figured out how to draft, let's draft the offense this year as smart as we drafted the defense last year.
With Rodgers- it pretty much falls on his arm as we no longer get a real draft and the team will be what it is.

 

[RU Cheese]

I would think that even if Carr got that type of money- you would be signing him for 5 years vs 2 or 3 for Rodgers. I would think it gives you more flexibility on how you may be able to structure it.

I would be happy either way but the Jet D is so strong and first time in a long time it looks like they have some weapons on offense. Get that OL set and I think a guy like Carr could do some major damage. And the way it looks like the Jet's have finally figured out how to draft, let's draft the offense this year as smart as we drafted the defense last year.
With Rodgers- it pretty much falls on his arm as we no longer get a real draft and the team will be what it is.

I agree. I just think people are vastly underestimating what UFA QBs are gonna get paid. The QB market continues to reset each / every other year, and these guys have tons of leverage / teams have ****** alternatives.

 

[yesrutgers01]

I agree. I just think people are vastly underestimating what UFA QBs are gonna get paid. The QB market continues to reset each / every other year, and these guys have tons of leverage / teams have ****** alternatives.

Yes and no- there was a bar set that I think gave Agents a hardon but also made owners and GM's say, NFW.
So, someone like Carr- he is going to get a great salary per year but won't be seeing 200+ guaranteed.

 

[Doctor Worm]

As Aaron Rodgers continues to contemplate his future, multiple sources are reporting that the market for his services may be drying up. The LV Raiders are reportedly moving on. (Brady was the guy they wanted.) The Athletic is now reporting that Rodgers is down to three options: Retirement, the Packers, or the Jets. NFL Network reporting that if he does choose the Jets, they can likely get him without giving up a first rounder.

Meanwhile Derek Carr appears willing to wait for Rodgers to make the first move. The QB market should clarify once Rodgers does whatever he's going to do.

At this point, if someone other than Rodgers or Carr is the Jets QB this year, it would be a major upset. Unless of course it's Lamar Jackson, who remains the wild card in all this. I still think he returns to the Ravens though.

 

[BigEastPhil]

I’d be shocked if no 1st round pick for Rodgers. Still think teams Like Jets / Raiders / Dolphins / Titans will all yearn for him and there will be significant competition for his services.

Watch the Dolphins on this quest for Rodgers. Tua has concussion issues and Miami has awesome receivers and is a desirable place for Rodgers to play.

 

[Colbert17!]

I've said this before as a Jet fan, I want no part of Aaron Rodgers. I remember watching the Pack play last year and he seemed so disinterested.
Burned once with Brett Favre, don't let it happen again. If it's him or Carr I'll take Carr.

 

[yesrutgers01]

I've said this before as a Jet fan, I want no part of Aaron Rodgers. I remember watching the Pack play last year and he seemed so disinterested.
Burned once with Brett Favre, don't let it happen again. If it's him or Carr I'll take Carr.

I’m at the point where I prefer Carr. But I do have to make a comment about Favre- he did start out 8-3 before getting injured.

 

[Roy_Faulker]

Same boat here. And frankly I’ve only been thinking about football performance. Rogers with the NY media may be a train wreck…unless he’s pulling a Lebron and wants to launch his media empire.

 

[RUGuitarMan1]

I’d be shocked if no 1st round pick for Rodgers. Still think teams Like Jets / Raiders / Dolphins / Titans will all yearn for him and there will be significant competition for his services.

Watch the Dolphins on this quest for Rodgers. Tua has concussion issues and Miami has awesome receivers and is a desirable place for Rodgers to play.

I still lean toward Rogers staying with Green Bay. If a trade does occur expect at least one first round pick and more to land him. I don’t think Miami would be in the serious mix, they do not have a 2023 1st round pick, it was traded away for the Hill aquisition. If there is a trade, I think the Raiders, Jets, Panthers and Saints could be involved.

 

[yesrutgers01]

My reason for Carr is that you would be signing him for 5 years not 2or 3. That would give us a proven QB for the next half decade and 5 shots to win it. Rodgers- you need to win it by year 2.
Plus, it is still going to cost at least 1 first round pick that would be so much better served on the OL.
And when you may say- Carr is not Mahomes, Allen, Burrow- how is he going to get through those guys?
Hell- Z Wilson beat Allen this year.
Care reminds me a lot of Stafford. Very similar type of career and stats.
Even this year-3500 yds 24/14 and would be considered one of his worst seasons. Jets would have been in the playoffs and at least good enough for a possible win or two.
Heard something sad yesterday. Over the past 3 seasons- Jets have not had a single QB pass for more than 10 TDS!!! B

 

[yesrutgers01]

Sounds like Carr to Saints. If Jet’s can’t get Rodgers, should they just give White a real shot?
I don’t want any of the other guys out there that would be realistic

 

[T2Kplus20]

Sounds like Carr to Saints. If Jet’s can’t get Rodgers, should they just give White a real shot?
I don’t want any of the other guys out there that would be realistic

White will be injured within a few games. This is setting up to be a true disaster for the Jets.

 

[yesrutgers01]

White will be injured within a few games. This is setting up to be a true disaster for the Jets.

Don’t disagree…and should be the end of the GM if he doesn’t get Rodgers now.
And no way would I sign any of the other guys for more than 2 years if I have to.

 

[RU Cheese]

Make a run at Daniel Jones!?

 

[yesrutgers01]

Make a run at Daniel Jones!?

Giants most likely tag him that keeps him a free agent and gets them 2 draft picks- do you offer him 40 mil for 5 years and give up your 2 1 round picks?
I think DJ's would kick *** for the Jet's with how this team is built. How would we fit in the cap if we ever did this?
I would put DJ as our number 3 behind Rodgers/Carr- but hesitate only because he is really going to cost at least as much as Rodgers but, we would be getting a guy 12 years younger.

 

[Doctor Worm]

Another domino falls as Geno Smith agrees to an extension with Seattle. No surprise there.

 

[RU Cheese]

Giants most likely tag him that keeps him a free agent and gets them 2 draft picks- do you offer him 40 mil for 5 years and give up your 2 1 round picks?
I think DJ's would kick *** for the Jet's with how this team is built. How would we fit in the cap if we ever did this?
I would put DJ as our number 3 behind Rodgers/Carr- but hesitate only because he is really going to cost at least as much as Rodgers but, we would be getting a guy 12 years younger.

There's two tags, and if Giants tag him it'd no doubt be the exclusive option (the non exclusive one allows him to explore other teams and provides Giants comp).

 

[Doctor Worm]

There's two tags, and if Giants tag him it'd no doubt be the exclusive option (the non exclusive one allows him to explore other teams and provides Giants comp).

We should know by 4 PM today! That is the deadline for franchise tagging.

 

[Roy_Faulker]

Saw Ravens likely to tag Lamar.

Stupid money on the QB market right now - Geno Smith with $105 million??

Sounds like Jets were Rogers or bust to begin with.

 

[yesrutgers01]

Saw Ravens likely to tag Lamar.

Stupid money on the QB market right now - Geno Smith with $105 million??

Sounds like Jets were Rogers or bust to begin with.

Feels like the case- it looks like the Jet's were Carr's bargaining chip and nothing else.
Isn't it insane that Geno looked like the next coming of Ryan Leaf and now signs a massive contract.
Maybe the Jet's need to just say f-it and stick with Wilson and spend the money on a better coaching staff around him. lol
Use picks on the best OL money can buy.

 

[Roy_Faulker]

Agree - it’s cheaper to just draft…

 

[RU Cheese]

Agree - it’s cheaper to just draft…

But it's more expensive in the currency of time...

 

[T2Kplus20]

Saw Ravens likely to tag Lamar.

Stupid money on the QB market right now - Geno Smith with $105 million??

Sounds like Jets were Rogers or bust to begin with.

They should use the non-exclusive tag on LJ. Time to move on from him and get a few first round picks. Can't win with LJ, unless he somehow learns to throw the ball better.