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rufeelinit

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That is not technically correct. Lamar will be a Restricted Free Agent. That means the Ravens can match whatever offer that the Jets and Lamar agree to.

Teams like the Jets are often leery of these situations. The risk is that Lamar's agent may just be playing them to build up the price for his return to the Ravens. Meanwhile the other QB targets sign elsewhere.

Rightly or wrongly, Rodgers is their Plan A.

The unique thing about Lamar's situation is that he does not have an agent other than his mother. He and his mom have been handling his negotiations with the Ravens and understandably this has proven to be a challenging situation. I believe he is also getting some guidance from the NFLPA.
 

yesrutgers01

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The unique thing about Lamar's situation is that he does not have an agent other than his mother. He and his mom have been handling his negotiations with the Ravens and understandably this has proven to be a challenging situation. I believe he is also getting some guidance from the NFLPA.
This is dumb as hell on his part too. Agents are only going to get between 2-3% and they will not only get you that extra money but make sure you are protected as well.
 

Knightmoves

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How long does Rodgers do the Greta Garbo, I want to be alone act?

It’s already gone on too long imo.

Now it appears that Rodgers is pressuring the Jets to sign a designated list of WR’s of his liking.

In baseball they used to call these types of players “Clubhouse Lawyers”.
 
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RUInsanityToo

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How long does Rodgers do the Greta Garbo, I want to be alone act?

It’s already gone on too long imo.

Rodgers current contract is quite complicated and there are also future year options on the table. If he only plays 1-2 more years, the cap hit in out years for the Jets might still be significant. For instance, if traded to the Jets his cap hits for '23 and '24 (if playing) will be manageable ($15.8M and $18+M). However if he retires after 2024, the Jets will still be burdened with dead money cap hits of over $30M for the following 2 years. I'm guessing the hold-up is some kind of a contract re-negotiation issue.
 

krup

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So now the Jets are running around trying to signed washed up players Rodgers supposedly wants like Randall Cobb and Mercedes Lewis.

A total **** show that anyone could see coming, and which will be repeated next offseason even if Rodgers comes for this year.
 

T2Kplus20

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So now the Jets are running around trying to signed washed up players Rodgers supposedly wants like Randall Cobb and Mercedes Lewis.

A total **** show that anyone could see coming, and which will be repeated next offseason even if Rodgers comes for this year.
Randall Cobb will be a quasi-coach and help the younger players learn Hackett's system.
 

yesrutgers01

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I'm sorry, I wanted AR's after Carr was signed...but at this point, I would almost tell him to FU if I were the Jets.
Sign someone else else there for a friendly 2 year contract and roll the dice.
It is no longer even negotiating- the guy is playing games with everyone. Tell him to collect his cash from GB and just FU.
 
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krup

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Randall Cobb will be a quasi-coach and help the younger players learn Hackett's system.
Great. Teach the team a whole new system geared around, and just to placate, a diva QB who is likely to bail after a year.

Brilliant use of the young talent they acquired who could have gotten them to the playoffs for years to come with the acquisition of a mentally stable, league average qb.
 

T2Kplus20

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Great. Teach the team a whole new system geared around, and just to placate, a diva QB who is likely to bail after a year.

Brilliant use of the young talent they acquired who could have gotten them to the playoffs for years to come with the acquisition of a mentally stable, league average qb.
I'm not a Jets fan, but I like to see the NY teams do well. I honestly think AR would be great for the Jets. Sure, Carr would have been a longer-term solution, but when AR is motivated, he can make the Jets a legit SB contender if the young defense continues to develop.
 

krup

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I'm not a Jets fan, but I like to see the NY teams do well. I honestly think AR would be great for the Jets. Sure, Carr would have been a longer-term solution, but when AR is motivated, he can make the Jets a legit SB contender if the young defense continues to develop.
Rodgers didn’t get the Packers to the SB several times when he was younger and they had a good enough team to have home field advantage in the NFC playoffs.

He doesn’t make the Jets anywhere near a SB contender at his current age in the stacked AFC. His tenure will be short, which makes kissing his *** by hiring Hackett as OC and accumulating his player friends even dumber.

I am a Jets fan, and I think it is moronic of Jets fans to swallow the Rodgers Super Bowl pipe dream when they should be using their young talent to build the foundation of a winning culture that changes the narrative from the laughing stock franchise they have been for over a decade.
 

yesrutgers01

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Rodgers didn’t get the Packers to the SB several times when he was younger and they had a good enough team to have home field advantage in the NFC playoffs.

He doesn’t make the Jets anywhere near a SB contender at his current age in the stacked AFC. His tenure will be short, which makes kissing his *** by hiring Hackett as OC and accumulating his player friends even dumber.

I am a Jets fan, and I think it is moronic of Jets fans to swallow the Rodgers Super Bowl pipe dream when they should be using their young talent to build the foundation of a winning culture that changes the narrative from the laughing stock franchise they have been for over a decade.
The problem is...how do you motivate this young Jet's team to stick out another couple years of losing because they do not have the most important part of any sports team.
 

RUGuitarMan1

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I'm sorry, I wanted AR's after Carr was signed...but at this point, I would almost tell him to FU if I were the Jets.
Sign someone else else there for a friendly 2 year contract and roll the dice.
It is no longer even negotiating- the guy is playing games with everyone. Tell him to collect his cash from GB and just FU.
The Jets have no choice now, there are no realistic QB options that will get them far in the next 2 years. They understood this and went all in on Rogers. Lizard is a very solid WR who will replace Corey Davis. Lizard is only 27 and is a bigger possession type WR. Cobb and Lewis can be added at minimum salaries.
 

rufeelinit

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Rodgers is such a diva. He has the Jets jumping through hoops before he will commit to them. I will ask again, what other options does he have? He seems to have worn out his welcome in Green Bay. This has to come to end soon but I think it is not going to end well for the Jets.
 

krup

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The problem is...how do you motivate this young Jet's team to stick out another couple years of losing because they do not have the most important part of any sports team.
They won 7 games with by far the worst quarterbacking in the league. They would have been a playoff team with Carr or Garropolo.
 
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Carr should've been the priority, Failing that, they should.ve taken a run at Daniel Jones, he would fit in well with the Jets for long term. Bringing in Rodgers will I think set the franchise back.
 

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Said he indicated to both teams last Friday that his intent was to play for the Jets. Implied that the hold up is regarding compensation to Packers from Jets.
 
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yesrutgers01

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Please be a 3rd and take the L in the cash “bonus” so it minimizes the cap hit.
Hope the Jet's arent just being cheap and not want to pony up cash- I would think more cash would be better for the Jet's than giving up higher draft picks.
Speaking of which- Jet's are pretty loaded on D but can always use a great DT. We are also now loaded at WR, have a good TE- RB's are good enough and when Hall is healthy, very good.
Is OL really the only super need? And if so- is that where we are going with our 1st rd pick and who may be available?
 
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krup

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Hope the Jet's arent just being cheap and not want to pony up cash- I would think more cash would be better for the Jet's than giving up higher draft picks.
Speaking of which- Jet's are pretty loaded on D but can always use a great DT. We are also now loaded at WR, have a good TE- RB's are good enough and when Hall is healthy, very good.
Is OL really the only super need? And if so- is that where we are going with our 1st rd pick and who may be available?
OLine is definitely the priority, but they can use LB and safety depth. I wouldnt mind a late QB pick trying to get lucky (someone like a Jake Haener).
 

yesrutgers01

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OLine is definitely the priority, but they can use LB and safety depth. I wouldnt mind a late QB pick trying to get lucky (someone like a Jake Haener).
I agree with this. If we keep 1st round- has to be OL. And agree that we go Safety/LB for the next couple and as you said- take a mid flier on a QB.
 

MADHAT1

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Said he indicated to both teams last Friday that his intent was to play for the Jets. Implied that the hold up is regarding compensation to Packers from Jets.
Making Green Bay look like the bad guy if Rodgers doesn't come to NY.
Seems like the Jets are willing to do what Rodgers is demanding of them,
but will the NYJ GM meet what the Packer GM wants for him and what exactly does Green Bay want in the trade?
 

yesrutgers01

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It is pretty much a done deal except for draft picks. I don’t believe GB will get a #1 unless it is with conditions. If they get our pick this year- Jets F-Ed up. And I think they should only get our 1 next year if AR started a% of our games and we make the playoffs. I also think it should include that he plays the 24 season.
 

rufeelinit

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AR maintains that until the darkness period he thought he would retire. Sounds like this will be an annual event. Therefore I would think a portion of the trade compensation might be contingent on how many years he plays. Surprised this was not all worked about before they granted the Jets permission to speak with him.
 
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RUGuitarMan1

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Making Green Bay look like the bad guy if Rodgers doesn't come to NY.
Seems like the Jets are willing to do what Rodgers is demanding of them,
but will the NYJ GM meet what the Packer GM wants for him and what exactly does Green Bay want in the trade?
When this potential trade first came up , my initial thought was that it would cost Jets their #1 pick this year (#13). I will be surprised if this trade is done without that happening. Rodgers remains one of the top QBs in the NFL and a recent multiple MVP. I understand he is 39 but he has been relatively healthy during his career. He did not play much in his first 3 yrs.
 

yesrutgers01

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When this potential trade first came up , my initial thought was that it would cost Jets their #1 pick this year (#13). I will be surprised if this trade is done without that happening. Rodgers remains one of the top QBs in the NFL and a recent multiple MVP. I understand he is 39 but he has been relatively healthy during his career. He did not play much in his first 3 yrs.
I agree with the first thought and many are missing that he is still a top QB...But- as it went on- there is no one left to take the 50/60 mil guy off GB's hands but on the other side- no one needs him more than the Jets
This is most likelly the sticking point- Jet's have to make picks conditional on 1) make the playoffs 2) he stays on a 2nd year.
 

yesrutgers01

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Any green smoke yet, Jets fans?
It is a deal that will get done. It sounds like GB is still pushing for our 13 this year. And that is the one thing that the Jet's cant give up.
Any first round pick in this deal has to be next years and it has to be conditional. 1) we make the playoffs 2) Rodgers stays on for a 2nd year,
 

Doctor Worm

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NY Post reporting that Packers and Jets are far apart in negotiations. Packers are reportedly asking for more than the Jets #1 pick in the base deal. And if Rodgers plays for the Jets in 2024, they want further compensation in the 2025 draft.

Would not be shocked if this goes right down to April 27, draft day. Would be shocked if it goes beyond that.
 

MADHAT1

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I read somewhere that if the Packers trade him before June 1'st they'll take around a $30 mil salary cap hit, giving Green Bay incentive to ask for a lot in return to trade him before then.
After that, what they want would be more reasonable and deal more likely to happen
 

Knightmoves

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Anyone else think that the Jets and Pack should have agreed on trade compensation before getting to this point?

Jets may have gotten played by GB.
 

rufeelinit

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Maybe time for the Jets to either sign some QB insurance like Cooper Rush or perhaps start publicly courting Lamar and see what the Pack does.
 

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Maybe time for the Jets to either sign some QB insurance like Cooper Rush or perhaps start publicly courting Lamar and see what the Pack does.

This - think the Jets needs to reach out to Lamar if anything to make sure GB knows they aren’t the only game in town.
 

MADHAT1

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Anyone else think that the Jets and Pack should have agreed on trade compensation before getting to this point?

Jets may have gotten played by GB.
Rodgers is playing them both.He's trying to force Green Bay to trade him for less then they want in return and letting the Jets know whose boss with his demands.
The trade will happen after June 1st, unless the Jets panic and give up more than they should in an effort to please Rodgers.
I feel this will work out well for the Packers by getting rid of a unhappy drama queen and the Jets will get a talented diva that will be happy in NY as long as everyone ( media included) bows down to his greatness and don't upset him
 
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Doctor Worm

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Maybe time for the Jets to either sign some QB insurance like Cooper Rush or perhaps start publicly courting Lamar and see what the Pack does.
They do need to sign a #2 like Rush, but the whole world would know he is a #2, which applies no leverage.

Public courting of Lamar? Interesting... We don't want to hurt AR's notoriously paper-thin feelings though
 
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