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tom1944

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Oh the irony.

Sports, in theory, should be free from politics.

And Rapinoe has injected politics into the USWNT's brand, she did that, no one else.
They seem to have issues with the entire team not just her.

Why root against the entire team?

I doubt there is any team in any sport where the entire roster is filled with individuals everyone likes. You generally do not see such animosity towards the entire team because if it.
 
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Caliknight

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Team sucked. Top to bottom.

And few of the players are likeable making it an even bigger issue. They should give the money back they protested for. They didn't earn it.
 

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Waaaah. Started what "crap". You don't like it, ignore me. Everything I said was true. That post wasn't even political. And if you don't want politics being brought into the team, you should be incensed that the face of the team brought politics into the team. But your weak character won't allow that.

And you play goalie in your over the hill beer league because you're fat and out of shape. Don't try and twist it.
I always enjoy it when posters tout their intramural sports careers at RU, as if that’s some type of sports achievement.
 

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I always enjoy it when posters tout their intramural sports careers at RU, as if that’s some type of sports achievement.

High comedy for sure. As funny as that one lil dude touting his AAU accomplishments lol
 

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I've never actually weighed in on "liking" Rapinoe, as far as I can recall. I think she's a great player on the downward trend and she didn't play well in this WC at all - if I thought she'd play like she did, I would've wanted someone else on the roster instead of her, although I still don't think anyone could know she'd play this poorly. I respect her protestations related to the anthem and gender/equality issues and respect that others might not be fans of that, but I don't like that so many on the right have moved from disagreement with her to hatred of her. And while I respect her protestations, purely from a team perspective, I don't love that she has called extra attention to herself, as I think teams generally don't need such distractions.

As for the soccer I've played, it's middle aged guys to be sure, but it features a number of former college players, many of whom are still pretty talented, as @mildone can verify. I mostly play keeper, since that is my best position, mostly because I didn't play soccer much growing up - played football in the fall (WR/safety, with safety being quite similar to keeper in many ways) in HS and college intramurals. While you've clearly watched more youth/U-20 soccer than I have, you can't have watched more USWNT soccer (we've both seen the same games) and you haven't played the game, so it's probably a wash. And this "comparison" is largely irrelevant anyway with regard to Rapinoe.
and since I have the time and I know for that some reason, many here just take you at your word vs reality. I went ahead and did the research. You said nobody could have known she would play this poorly. you said up until recently she played well. These are both false statements. In fact, her playing time has become less and less since the olympics in 2021. Here is the actual stats(I won't include the WC as it was just on) from
Friendlies, She Believes Cup, Concacaf, and the Olympics. So going back all the way to 2021

Wales: DNP
Brazil: 19 min
Japan: 20 min
Canada: DNP
NZ: DNP
NZ: DNP
Germany: DNP
Germany: 17 Mins
Mexico: 27 mins
Haiti: 16 mins
Cost Rica: 27 mins and a yellow
Canada: DNP

Then Olympics, last time she had meaningful minutes which decreased as tourney went on...because she stunk

Australia: 645 min an a yellow
NZ: 68 mins
Sweden: 26 mins
Netherlands: 26 min
Canada: 30 mins

Bronze medal game vs Australia 60 min. Which to be honest, I thought she played that much because it was evident she sucked and was going to be left off WC roster.

So, yes, anyone who actually watched the games and was objective could tell she would suck because she has for years now.

Lastly, If you guys really just wanted to talk soccer you could have ignored the "CE Troglodytes" and they would have gone away. Instead, you felt need to defend and argue.
 

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They seem to have issues with the entire team not just her.

Why root against the entire team?

I doubt there is any team in any sport where the entire roster is filled with individuals everyone likes. You generally do not see such animosity towards the entire team because if it.
She's a very polarizing figure, I also think her advocating for transgenders playing with women before the tournament was ill-advised. That wasn't the time for it, she wasn't thinking about the team when she did that.
 

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Team sucked. Top to bottom.

And few of the players are likeable making it an even bigger issue. They should give the money back they protested for. They didn't earn it.
I am interested in exactly who the actual players are and what they did that made them unlikeable.

We know one but who are the others? Morgan? Ernest? Horan? Rodman?
 

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She's a very polarizing figure, I also think her advocating for transgenders playing with women before the tournament was ill-advised. That wasn't the time for it, she wasn't thinking about the team when she did that.
I disagree with her on that issue, but it does not get me all up in arms and result in hating the entire team.
 
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Ronnie_B

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And you still miss the point. Of course she injected politics into women's soccer, but that's not the point. The only point evolution and I are arguing is related to how this board is supposed to function, i.e., without politics in the threads. And the ones who usually (not always, but yes, in this case) violate that are the righties from the CE board. Do you not see that?
Yes, THAT is the point. I mean if she stop being so polarizing then you might get your political-free thread.

Question - do you think the left should be always injecting politics into sports? Are you for or against it?
 

Ronnie_B

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I disagree with her on that issue, but it does not get me all up in arms and result in hating the entire team.
It's not the first time people have hated teams because of one player. It's not something new.
 

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I am interested in exactly who the actual players are and what they did that made them unlikeable.

We know one but who are the others? Morgan? Ernest? Horan? Rodman?

Check out the images of the team before games rolling around like the are fashion models when the reality is most are very unattractive. Their uninspired play, protesting for more pay then losing more than any US team ever, lame commercials, I can go on.

Reality is it's sports. You open yourself up by being political and demanding things you never actually earned, well, you better deliver. Not only didn't they deliver, the got embarrassed.

I wouldn't pick on girl on that team to represent the USA again. They all sucked.
 

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And you still miss the point. Of course she injected politics into women's soccer, but that's not the point. The only point evolution and I are arguing is related to how this board is supposed to function, i.e., without politics in the threads. And the ones who usually (not always, but yes, in this case) violate that are the righties from the CE board. Do you not see that?
to be fair Rapino put herself in that position. She made the game about politics and then stunk. If you are going to put yourself on the stage better be ready to play and take the criticism.

If she just played soccer we would all be talking about soccer.
 

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It's not the first time people have hated teams because of one player. It's not something new.
I understand that but many her have made the point it is the team not one player.

I wonder exactly who and why are the others
 

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You're delusional. The football board, in theory, is supposed to be free from politics, as Richie has stated many times. Surely, then, we should expect people to not inject politics into a World Cup thread and let it just be about the soccer, but that didn't happen and it didn't happen because righties derailed the thread with politics. That's crystal clear.

If there were no restrictions on politics in threads on this board, then I'd have zero issue with the current thread. I hate having such restrictions, probably more than anyone else on the board, as it means I'm not allowed to post about COVID and other medical topics, even if those posts are restricted to scientific content, as I've been told repeatedly.
There are rules about name calling as well, that hasn't stopped you from doing it repeatedly in this thread.
 

mildone_rivals

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It's not fun having politics stuck in places we just want to get away from reality and enjoy something like sports, is it?

You can't have it both ways, if you're all for Rapinoe and other injecting politics into sports and all aspects of life, then you really have no leg to stand on when politics is injected into this thread or any other.
Nah. We can have it neither way. Which is what I do. I don't care what the players think, say or do outside of soccer. And I don't care if athletes sing the national anthem or not. Why should I care? It's not meaningful in my life. I ignore all that BS.

And nobody in this thread was talking about non-soccer stuff until the CE board obsessives came in to demonstrate just how deeply the USWNT players are in their heads. They seem to think they're making some kind of important point(s). Instead, all they're really doing is this:

"Oh nooooooooooos! The USWNT players have taken control of my brain. I can't stop from talking about what they think and do. They own me! Aiiiieeeeee!" 🤣

C'mon, be honest. It's hilariously ridiculous behavior for grown adults. Letting some athletes who don't even know you exist, probably along with some media telling you to be outraged, to wind you up like a toy and then send you chattering away on the internet. Such self control and independence of thought they're demonstrating. 😀
 
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No liberals I know of polluted this thread, though. It was purely about soccer until the RWCJ showed up with their usual political nonsense. Surely you can see that.
The very player many on here have criticized made it political saying she hates the Trump Administration. Pretty sure she is the face of Liberals , so there's that. I don't have to know her personally, nor care too I know her public statements, and she is a Liberal loser hating America for a variety of reasons, all stated publicly. Maybe 10 months in a Russian prison is the cure, we've already seen how that works out, lol.
 

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Yes, THAT is the point. I mean if she stop being so polarizing then you might get your political-free thread.

Question - do you think the left should be always injecting politics into sports? Are you for or against it?
I am neither for nor against it. It is an individual decision. I will say that if you have achieved a level of fame and success in life such that people care about what you have to say, you have every right to take advantage of that platform. And people have every right to respond accordingly, positively or negatively.

It's a free country.
 

newell138

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Nah. We can have it neither way. Which is what I do. I don't care what the players think, say or do outside of soccer. And I don't care if athletes sing the national anthem or not. Why should I care? It's not meaningful in my life. I ignore all that BS.

And nobody in this thread was talking about non-soccer stuff until the CE board obsessives came in to demonstrate just how deeply the USWNT players are in their heads. They seem to think they're making some kind of important point(s). Instead, all they're really doing is this:

"Oh nooooooooooos! The USWNT players have taken control of my brain. I can't stop from talking about what they think and do. They own me! Aiiiieeeeee!" 🤣

C'mon, be honest. It's hilariously ridiculous behavior for grown adults. Letting some athletes who don't even know you exist, probably along with some media telling you to be outraged, to wind you up like a toy and then send you chattering away on the internet. Such self control and independence of thought they're demonstrating. 😀

For someone who says they don't care, you sure do post a lot about how much you don't care.

Isn't that the whole point of this board? Discussion about sports and things in general?
 

mildone_rivals

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For someone who says they don't care, you sure do post a lot about how much you don't care.

Isn't that the whole point of this board? Discussion about sports and things in general?
I don't care what the USWNT says or does. That's correct.

I don't even know what they're saying and doing outside of soccer. No clue. I just know that some of you are incensed over it, which is hilarious.

You can talk about whatever you want. Other than telling #s to let it go, I didn't tell anybody to stop, did I?

Not seeing your point. If people want to make fools of themselves, they should. And I'll do my thing and hold up a mirror so they can see just how foolish they look.
 

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Nah. We can have it neither way. Which is what I do. I don't care what the players think, say or do outside of soccer. And I don't care if athletes sing the national anthem or not. Why should I care? It's not meaningful in my life. I ignore all that BS.

And nobody in this thread was talking about non-soccer stuff until the CE board obsessives came in to demonstrate just how deeply the USWNT players are in their heads. They seem to think they're making some kind of important point(s). Instead, all they're really doing is this:

"Oh nooooooooooos! The USWNT players have taken control of my brain. I can't stop from talking about what they think and do. They own me! Aiiiieeeeee!" 🤣

C'mon, be honest. It's hilariously ridiculous behavior for grown adults. Letting some athletes who don't even know you exist, probably along with some media telling you to be outraged, to wind you up like a toy and then send you chattering away on the internet. Such self control and independence of thought they're demonstrating. 😀
You might not care what players say but you definitely care what we have to say about them. 😆
 

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I understand that but many her have made the point it is the team not one player.

I wonder exactly who and why are the others
How about this, you are playing for your country. Show a little respect, put your hand over your heart and sing the anthem. Yes, it's America you don't have to blah blah blah. You don't find it odd that we are the ONLY COUNTRY and THE ONLY TEAM that doesn't have 100% participation in singing. You see Jamaicans, Nigerians, etc crying during the anthem. But our team looks annoyed like they didn't even want to be out there. They are highest paid players in the world, our country has spent and will continue to spend more than any other country in the world on women's soccer. And they want to act like they are oppressed. Hell, Jamaica had to start a gofundme just to get there.
The Nigerians don't get paid half the time, they were given like 2 weeks worth of salary and time to prepare for the World Cup. Not months, two weeks. Their HC(who we should have hired) wasn't allowed to pick his own assistant because of money. They dominated England today.....
 

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I think she was on the team for her skills and leadership, as the coach (and many other players) said. I don't think she thought she wasn't ready and very few athletes late in their careers really know it before they've started declining. Also, Carli Lloyd complained bitterly in 2019 about not starting and playing the entire games and while she played well in a sub role, I doubt she would've played nearly as well playing full games at her age (she was a year younger then than Rapinoe is now), so I don't really think she knew she wasn't quite the player she was when she was younger.
Of course, they say "skills and leadership" rather than "we're afraid of cutting her". Coach had a history of making the most of veteran players.. maybe he fooled himself with Rapinoe. All we know is the team played poorly until Sweden so something is clearly wrong.

So now you create a Carli Lloyd straw man.. " doubt she would've played nearly as well playing full games at her age"... oh.. now you are comparing what we saw from Rapinoe to what you DOUBT Carli would have done as a starter. Great logic you use there... you made a great point. Are you day-drinking now? Are you drunk?
 
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Oh the irony.

Sports, in theory, should be free from politics.

And Rapinoe has injected politics into the USWNT's brand, she did that, no one else.
Rapinoe started it? That's the argument? She started it? 🤣

You've done an excellent job of highlighting the childishness of the people who are incapable of ignoring Rapinoe.

Waaaa, she said something I don't like. Waaaa. LOL
 

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How about this, you are playing for your country. Show a little respect, put your hand over your heart and sing the anthem. Yes, it's America you don't have to blah blah blah. You don't find it odd that we are the ONLY COUNTRY and THE ONLY TEAM that doesn't have 100% participation in singing. You see Jamaicans, Nigerians, etc crying during the anthem. But our team looks annoyed like they didn't even want to be out there. They are highest paid players in the world, our country has spent and will continue to spend more than any other country in the world on women's soccer. And they want to act like they are oppressed. Hell, Jamaica had to start a gofundme just to get there.
The Nigerians don't get paid half the time, they were given like 2 weeks worth of salary and time to prepare for the World Cup. Not months, two weeks. Their HC(who we should have hired) wasn't allowed to pick his own assistant because of money. They dominated England today.....

US women are lazy, coddled, and overpaid. Oooozing gross entitlement. All while not delivering anything.
 

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For someone who says they don't care, you sure do post a lot about how much you don't care.

Isn't that the whole point of this board? Discussion about sports and things in general?
then explain to me why we aren't discussing how Horan was horribly misused and cast as a left sided MF in the group stage, when she was much better off as a free roaming #10. and because of this, her free roaming spirit screwed up our spacing and ability to 1 - move the ball effectively in attack and 2 - defend in any organized manner

or how the coach set the team up in a way where it was centered on Rose's skillset being the lynchpin in the middle of the park, despite her lack of fitness to start and finish games.

or how Morgan has lost, not just one step, but more like 2 or 3, but we had no other option other than sliding Smith centrally late in games.

or how Smith is really good on the ball, but a liability in defending wide areas and, aside from the Vietnam game, an atrocious finisher.

instead, all of these jokers want to talk about is the patriotism of the nat'l anthem. rapinoe's political views. how they think the players on the team feel and act...you people are all to blame. first, for bringing this crap up in the first place, and second, for continuing the discussion.

So please...@mildone or @vkj91 - your thoughts on my four points?
 
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Rapinoe started it? That's the argument? She started it? 🤣

You've done an excellent job of highlighting the childishness of the people who are incapable of ignoring Rapinoe.

Waaaa, she said something I don't like. Waaaa. LOL
Unless you're brainwashed I could see how you might not see that.
 

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Unless you're brainwashed I could see how you might not see that.
Might not see what?

The only non-soccer related thing I've seen about any USWNT player was an article about Rodman and her dad. I don't know anything else about Rapinoe at all, outside of her performance in games.

The last time I saw an article about a USWNT player, it was about Hope Solo beating up her boyfriend. Between then and now, I've seen nothing. Because why would I care? Why would anybody care?
 

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Rapinoe started it? That's the argument? She started it? 🤣

You've done an excellent job of highlighting the childishness of the people who are incapable of ignoring Rapinoe.

Waaaa, she said something I don't like. Waaaa. LOL
When players inject their politics into sport it is open season on responding in kind. They like to say that is them using their platform.. well, message boards are the peoples' platform. So telling them (and their enablers) they are full of "it" in doing what they are doing is fair play.. especially when they play so poorly.
 
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Might not see what?

The only non-soccer related thing I've seen about any USWNT player was an article about Rodman and her dad. I don't know anything else about Rapinoe at all, outside of her performance in games.

The last time I saw an article about a USWNT player, it was about Hope Solo beating up her boyfriend. Between then and now, I've seen nothing. Because why would I care? Why would anybody care?
What the holy hell are you talking about? 😂
 

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When players inject their politics into sport it is open season on responding in kind. They like to say that is them using their platform.. well, message boards are teh peoples' platform. So telling them (and their enablers) they are full of "it" in doing what they are doing is fair play.. especially when they play so poorly.

They funny thing is many use this board as their CE board because they are too cheap or can't afford the premium.
 

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then explain to me why we aren't discussing how Horan was horribly misused and cast as a left sided MF in the group stage, when she was much better off as a free roaming #10. and because of this, her free roaming spirit screwed up our spacing and ability to 1 - move the ball effectively in attack and 2 - defend in any organized manner

or how the coach set the team up in a way where it was centered on Rose's skillset being the lynchpin in the middle of the park, despite her lack of fitness to start and finish games.

or how Morgan has lost, not just one step, but more like 2 or 3, but we had no other option other than sliding Smith centrally late in games.

or how Smith is really good on the ball, but a liability in defending wide areas and, aside from the Vietnam game, an atrocious finisher.

instead, all of these jokers want to talk about is the patriotism of the nat'l anthem. rapinoe's political views. how they think the players on the team feel and act...you people are all to blame. first, for bringing this crap up in the first place, and second, for continuing the discussion.

So please...@mildone or @vkj91 - your thoughts on my four points?
I don't think I've seen the team play at all since the last world cup until the Netherland's match. So it's impossible for me to knowledgeably form conclusions about some of that.

Smith had good and bad moments. Not finishing well was a common theme for all the players, judging by the scores. Against the Netherlands, the team spent so much time in their final third and only came away with a single goal.

I thought the USWNT attack in the Sweden match was vastly improved over the prior two games. The players were more composed and cohesive. The mids played a lot more multidirectional, which fixed the tunnel vision from the prior game. Support play by pretty much everyone was much improved over the prior two games.

But most shots were either poorly struck (i.e. too weak) or else right at or near the keeper. There were enough opportunities. Gotta finish at a higher percentage to win.

Morgan has definitely lost some pace. OTOH, she wasn't horrible and I don't know the bench players. So I can't comment knowledgeably about who might've been better. Maybe she was the best option; I just don't know.

Rapinoe was slow and looked unfit. But she's experienced. Was that experience enough to warrant her being subbed in at such a critical point in the match? She missed her PK and didn't exactly provide a spark to the offense. So it doesn't look good. But to really know conclusively, I'd have to see her with all the other players in practices.
 

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Anyone watching The Gold Star Families talking about the 13 sons and daughters they lost in the Afghanistan withdrawal? Over and over again these families in between crying state how much their children "loved" their country and were proud to serve, which is more than I can say THIS group displayed. This has been televised so far for over an hour, only being covered by Fox News. It shows the contrast to how the media treats those that gave the ultimate sacrifice and those that promote anything that doesn't deny the media's agenda. Truly heartbreaking listening to these parents. PUT YOURSELVES IN THEIR SPOT. Where's the across the board coverage. Don't give me soccer shouldn't be political when on more than one occasion it was used for just that and then look the other way when parents are crying out for accountability and answers.
 
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Liberals hate the military and those who serve.
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What the holy hell are you talking about? 😂
I watched the soccer matches. That's it.

I am entirely unaware and uninterested in anything the players have done off the field. Haven't read or watched or heard about it. Don't care about it. It's not important.

I can't make it any more simple than that for you.
 

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I watched the soccer matches. That's it.

I am entirely unaware and uninterested in anything the players have done off the field. Haven't read or watched or heard about it. Don't care about it. It's not important.

I can't make it any more simple than that for you.
Do you want a gold star or something? I mean good for you.
 
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