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What exactly would you say they are standing up for? The equal pay nonsense is a self promoting cash grab. They quite literally play in a different league than the men, and whatever victory they have claimed is solely on the back of the men’s team not caring about national team salary as all make their real money as a club player. The deal that they claim was so oppressive was a CBA they signed with USSF which was basically meant to give less opportunity to rising stars and lock aging big names into the roster for longer term financial security at the expense of keeping down their fellow younger players. If they had a problem with it then, they shouldn’t have signed. If they had a problem after winning a World Cup when their leverage was better, they could have striked, but since they didn’t want to jeopardize their revenue stream or allow younger players a platform to steal their locked in roster spots, they went the SJW route to create a PR nightmare for US Soccer.
Is the stance on the national anthem tied to the equal pay issue?

I don't really follow them closely but from a distance it seems to me that there are different grievances depending on the player. Most people focus on one player in particular and seem to tie her views to the entire team.
 

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interesting commentary on the state of the US team and its competition


The issues that plague our men’s team will eventually plague our women’s team if the game continues to develop around the world. The college model is a terrible model for developing soccer talent, it worked for the women because it was quite literally the only model in the world for a very long time. Now that the rest of the world is catching up and having women’s versions of big name clubs and academies, the gap is closing. There is still a gap as we still have by far our share of the women’s talent pool, but the days of being able to just run over the competition are probably numbered, and we will need to be more technically sound to win World Cups.

So I don’t buy that there is a huge reckoning about to occur, we just have an aging roster that has been used to getting by with superior athleticism that no longer has it, but still can easily win the tournament if things break right. The next generation of girls will still be at the top of the sport.
 

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Is the stance on the national anthem tied to the equal pay issue?

I don't really follow them closely but from a distance it seems to me that there are different grievances depending on the player. Most people focus on one player in particular and seem to tie her views to the entire team.
It seems that way, only Rapinoe would fit the role of an activist, the rest are just out there trying to get equal pay to men’s sports and painting themselves in the same light as a women’s white collar worker who is underpaid in comparison to her male counterpart (which is wrong and I agree with it being wrong).

The key difference is the men play against men and the women play against women. They are different sports with different competition and different audiences. Whereas a female lawyer can perform all of the same functions as a male lawyer and if their performances are equal the market should reflect that.
 
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It seems that way, only Rapinoe would fit the role of an activist, the rest are just out there trying to get equal pay to men’s sports and painting themselves in the same light as a women’s white collar worker who is underpaid in comparison to her male counterpart (which is wrong and I agree with it being wrong).
They are equating pay to success in terms of winning when the reality in sports is winning does not bring pay in comparison to positive advertising eyeballs.

Bill Burr does a routine where he says women would rather watch a train wreck reality show and make those women wealthy than support women athletes. As soon as that changes the distribution of money will change.

This bit was tied to the WNBA. If the Women’s National soccer team brings equal or more fans and advertisers than the men’s team they are right to demand equal pay. It will not be the first time an athlete wanted to change a contract.
 

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They are equating pay to success in terms of winning when the reality in sports is winning does not bring pay in comparison to positive advertising eyeballs.

Bill Burr does a routine where he says women would rather watch a train wreck reality show and make those women wealthy than support women athletes. As soon as that changes the distribution of money will change.

This bit was tied to the WNBA. If the Women’s National soccer team brings equal or more fans and advertisers than the men’s team they are right to demand equal pay. It will not be the first time an athlete wanted to change a contract.
The irony of the whole situation is that women are largely to blame for the revenue gap. If women watched women’s sports the way men watch men’s sports, the money would be there.
 

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WNBA has probably seen a significant uptick in revenue with woke corporate virtue signaling advertising dollars

hopefully they pass it down to the players, i have no idea
 
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They are equating pay to success in terms of winning when the reality in sports is winning does not bring pay in comparison to positive advertising eyeballs.

Bill Burr does a routine where he says women would rather watch a train wreck reality show and make those women wealthy than support women athletes. As soon as that changes the distribution of money will change.

This bit was tied to the WNBA. If the Women’s National soccer team brings equal or more fans and advertisers than the men’s team they are right to demand equal pay. It will not be the first time an athlete wanted to change a contract.

Advertising eyeballs, ticket sales and international marketing.
 
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It seems that way, only Rapinoe would fit the role of an activist, the rest are just out there trying to get equal pay to men’s sports and painting themselves in the same light as a women’s white collar worker who is underpaid in comparison to her male counterpart (which is wrong and I agree with it being wrong).

The key difference is the men play against men and the women play against women. They are different sports with different competition and different audiences. Whereas a female lawyer can perform all of the same functions as a male lawyer and if their performances are equal the market should reflect that.
They already got equal pay.
 

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WNBA has probably seen a significant uptick in revenue with woke corporate virtue signaling advertising dollars

hopefully they pass it down to the players, i have no idea
Here we go with the "virtue-signalling" hypocrisy again.

When it's someone else making some point you disagree with, they are virtue-signalling and it's bad.

When you (anybody using the term "virtue signalling") has a point to make, it's also virtue signalling but it's somehow the good kind.

Virtue signalling about virtue signalling is inescapably hypocritical and self-defeating. 🤨

I would tell people (on both sides) to wake up and realize how they're being manipulated, by their echo chamber, into looking ridiculous by repetitively regurgitating these sorts of populist sarcastic expressions. But then those very same people would accuse me of being "woke", which is yet another obvious case of self-defeating hypocrisy posing as sarcasm.

My concern being that the sheer depth and breath of the resulting irony of them saying I'm woke might cause a tear in the fabric of the space-time continuum. I just can't risk it.

So fine. Stay asleep, unvirtuous, and manipulated. See if I care. 🙂
 
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They already got equal pay.
Again, whatever victory they claimed is based solely on the men conceding because the men frankly don’t care about national team salary anywhere near as much. FIFA still rewards US Soccer less for a Women’s World Cup win than they would for a Men’s World Cup win, how US Soccer splits the winnings is up to them and with the support of the men’s CBA they make sure all of the men and women are compensated equally. If the men say “eff that, if we win it all we want all of the men’s winnings” then this agreement blows up. This won’t happen because the men are making their bones in the club game, and playing for country at the World Cup is more of a privilege than a money maker, they also don’t want the PR headache. They also know there is basically no chance of winning the Men’s World Cup and if it happened their off field opportunities would make up for any shortfall from prize money. On the women’s side, the national team is more like a club than the men’s side, hence why the A team usually plays friendlies where the men’s team typically gives new faces a look during a friendly. Generally if you are not on the USWNT you are not doing well financially as a pro women’s soccer player, so the women’s players are more inclined to fight for every last bit of national team money. That is well within their rights, but the way they have gone about it is simply embarrassing.
 
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# 2 ranked Germany eliminated in Group Stage. Where all the "new soccer experts" letting us know what happened here.
 

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# 2 ranked Germany eliminated in Group Stage. Where all the "new soccer experts" letting us know what happened here.
i would tell you, but i haven't watched a single min of germany's matches. but, this type of thing happens in tournaments all the time. The German men's side got dumped out of the world cup in the group stage last year, as did Belgium.
 
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# 2 ranked Germany eliminated in Group Stage. Where all the "new soccer experts" letting us know what happened here.
They're too busy making signs to protest the USWNT protests to notice any soccer results.

I hear the most popular anti-USWNT protest sign is: "NO SING, NO CHA CHING"

The second most popular is: "YOU GAY? NO PAY NO WAY"

It's hard to tell what exactly the anti-USWNT protesters are protesting. Are they: anti-freedom, anti-alternate-lifestyle, anti-mute, or some combination of those? Perhaps they're just jealous that the USWNT players are out there being way more successful than they are, instead of home, barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen fixin' 'em a sammich, like God and the constitution intended 'em to be.
 
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They're too busy making signs to protest the USWNT protests to notice any soccer results.

I hear the most popular anti-USWNT protest sign is: "NO SING, NO CHA CHING"

The second most popular is: "YOU GAY? NO PAY NO WAY"

It's hard to tell what exactly the anti-USWNT protesters are protesting. Are they: anti-freedom, anti-alternate-lifestyle, anti-mute, or some combination of those? Perhaps they're just jealous that the USWNT players are out there being way more successful than they are, instead of home, barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen fixin' 'em a sammich, like God and the constitution intended 'em to be.

They must be lamb chop lovers to get you this worked up.
 
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i would tell you, but i haven't watched a single min of germany's matches. but, this type of thing happens in tournaments all the time. The German men's side got dumped out of the world cup in the group stage last year, as did Belgium.

Not many of us watch TV at 3AM
 

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They must be lamb chop lovers to get you this worked up.
Lamb chop lovers, those sociopathic baby killers, should be sent to prison for their insane dietary crimes. 😠

Anyway, I figured if people are gonna vent their triggered mess all over a soccer thread, I might as well have a little fun mocking them. I confess that I'm having waaay more fun than is dignified. 😀
 
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They're too busy making signs to protest the USWNT protests to notice any soccer results.

I hear the most popular anti-USWNT protest sign is: "NO SING, NO CHA CHING"

The second most popular is: "YOU GAY? NO PAY NO WAY"

It's hard to tell what exactly the anti-USWNT protesters are protesting. Are they: anti-freedom, anti-alternate-lifestyle, anti-mute, or some combination of those? Perhaps they're just jealous that the USWNT players are out there being way more successful than they are, instead of home, barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen fixin' 'em a sammich, like God and the constitution intended 'em to be.
Honestly, isn’t just the opposite?

What are the USWNT protesting?

Let’s represent our country and play soccer!

On a soccer note, Germany men and women were dominating as “the machine”. There seems to be a swing away from that to “speed kills”.
 
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Honestly, isn’t just the opposite?

What are the USWNT protesting?

Let’s represent our country and play soccer!
Representing the country and playing soccer is actually what I've been seeing...however, the fact that they're not all singing or putting a hand over their chest, like numerous athletes in every other sport, seems to trigger some. What protests have you seen out there over the past two weeks? Or was the Dream Team staging a silent protest that we never heard about?
 
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Representing the country and playing soccer is actually what I've been seeing...however, the fact that they're not all singing or putting a hand over their chest, like numerous athletes in every other sport, seems to trigger some. What protests have you seen out there over the past two weeks? Or was the Dream Team staging a silent protest that we never heard about?
When only 3 of 11 sing and less than half have their hands over their heart they’re doing something for some reason.

You think this criticism of them is made up here. Do yourself a favor and do some googling.

Especially when the rest of the women’s World Cup teams sing in patriotic zest, as a team.
 
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When only 3 of 11 sing and less than half have their hands over their heart they’re doing something for some reason.

You think this criticism of them is made up here. Do yourself a favor and do some googling.

Especially when the rest of the women’s World Cup teams sing in patriotic zest, as a team.
Here is a great video of the greatest basketball team of all time basking in their glory and hearing their national anthem...only one guy is singing. How has it been 31 years and no one has gotten to the bottom of what they were protesting?

 

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Honestly, isn’t just the opposite?

What are the USWNT protesting?

Let’s represent our country and play soccer!

On a soccer note, Germany men and women were dominating as “the machine”. There seems to be a swing away from that to “speed kills”.
I have no idea what the team is protesting. Or even if they are protesting anything. I'm inferring a bit from the outraged posts in the thread.

But more to the point, I don't care about that crap. What they do when they're off the field is utterly uninteresting to me.

The best way they can represent the US, at a soccer tournament, is to play hard and hopefully win. That's all I care about. The rest, whatever they might say, or whatever anybody says about them, is just white noise to me.

OTOH, making fun of the easily outraged anti-freedom folks in the thread is very interesting to me. Which explains some of my mocking posts. I'm having fun between games. 😀
 

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Here is a great video of the greatest basketball team of all time basking in their glory and hearing their national anthem...only one guy is singing. How has it been 31 years and no one has gotten to the bottom of what they were protesting?


Ah, the good old days. When men were men and sheep were scared. 😀
 

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Pride in your country is a lost art. It's not cool in the U.S and doesn't get you any endorsements, benefits, etc. Playing for team USA is no longer an honor but is just a gateway to woke riches. It's all a show.
Remember the African-American female wrestler in the last Olympics who after she won the gold she went off on how much she loved America and despite any of it's faults it was still the greatest country in the world?
What happened to her? Did she get any big endorsement deals? I can't even remember her name.
IMHO it's just sad.
To be honest I won't root against them but it won't upset me in the least if they lost.

Edit: I looked up that wrestler's name. Tamara Mensah-Stock. Ring a bell anyone?
Back in the day she would have been on the front of the Wheaties box!
 
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Here is a great video of the greatest basketball team of all time basking in their glory and hearing their national anthem...only one guy is singing. How has it been 31 years and no one has gotten to the bottom of what they were protesting?


Why would we care about the NBA Stars 31 years ago?

Are you denying the women are protesting ?
 
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Agreed. They want the US to be like China and Russia, where patriotism is forced (and the previous POTUS would require this too, if he had his way). I couldn't give a rat's *** what our players do during the anthem - what I care about is they're playing for our country (where not everyone is forced to act the same way) and I want them to win.
You are beyond ridiculously ignorant. They are there to represent their country if they are not there to represent their country they should NOT be on the team. It is a PRIVILEDGE not a right. If you want to represent your agenda there are plenty of other countries in the world to live....Ask Brittany Griner how that worked out for her.

I dont want them playing for this country!!! NONE more than Megan Rapinoe who is the biggest horses *** in any sport. She is there to plug her issues and sexuality & not there to play soccer....representing the USA is the furthest absolute last thing in her agenda
 

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You are beyond ridiculously ignorant. They are there to represent their country if they are not there to represent their country they should NOT be on the team. It is a PRIVILEDGE not a right. If you want to represent your agenda there are plenty of other countries in the world to live....Ask Brittany Griner how that worked out for her.

I dont want them playing for this country!!! NONE more than Megan Rapinoe who is the biggest horses *** in any sport. She is there to plug her issues and sexuality & not there to play soccer....representing the USA is the furthest absolute last thing in her agenda
The hate and rage is strong with you. Gooooood. Goooooood.

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I dont want them playing for this country!!! NONE more than Megan Rapinoe who is the biggest horses *** in any sport. She is there to plug her issues and sexuality & not there to play soccer....representing the USA is the furthest absolute last thing in her agenda
Others need to get some pointers from her then…best player at the last World Cup, and wasn’t even there to play soccer!
 
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Why would we care about the NBA Stars 31 years ago?

Are you denying the women are protesting ?
I’m simply trying to understand how we can draw the conclusion that only 3 of 11 women singing was an obvious protest, while not drawing the same conclusion when only 1 of the 12 men was singing.

I just want to get to the bottom of what the Dream Team was protesting and why we don’t all hate them for being unAmerican. Better late than never to expose them, right? Then, we’ll move on to analyzing our World Baseball Classic team’s lack of enthusiasm for our anthem and expose them too.
 
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You are beyond ridiculously ignorant. They are there to represent their country if they are not there to represent their country they should NOT be on the team. It is a PRIVILEDGE not a right. If you want to represent your agenda there are plenty of other countries in the world to live....Ask Brittany Griner how that worked out for her.

I dont want them playing for this country!!! NONE more than Megan Rapinoe who is the biggest horses *** in any sport. She is there to plug her issues and sexuality & not there to play soccer....representing the USA is the furthest absolute last thing in her agenda
Isn't a protest actually a perfect representation of the freedoms our country affords?
 
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Here we go with the "virtue-signalling" hypocrisy again.

When it's someone else making some point you disagree with, they are virtue-signalling and it's bad.

When you (anybody using the term "virtue signalling") has a point to make, it's also virtue signalling but it's somehow the good kind.

Virtue signalling about virtue signalling is inescapably hypocritical and self-defeating. 🤨

I would tell people (on both sides) to wake up and realize how they're being manipulated, by their echo chamber, into looking ridiculous by repetitively regurgitating these sorts of populist sarcastic expressions. But then those very same people would accuse me of being "woke", which is yet another obvious case of self-defeating hypocrisy posing as sarcasm.

My concern being that the sheer depth and breath of the resulting irony of them saying I'm woke might cause a tear in the fabric of the space-time continuum. I just can't risk it.

So fine. Stay asleep, unvirtuous, and manipulated. See if I care. 🙂
Let it go. It’s a topic that has been lamely and pointlessly “debated” to absolutely no effect at least a half dozen times on the CE forum. 😉
 
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I’m simply trying to understand how we can draw the conclusion that only 3 of 11 women singing was an obvious protest, while not drawing the same conclusion when only 1 of the 12 men was singing.

I just want to get to the bottom of what the Dream Team was protesting and why we don’t all hate them for being unAmerican. Better late than never to expose them, right? Then, we’ll move on to analyzing our World Baseball Classic team’s lack of enthusiasm for our anthem and expose them too.
Because they were asked and said they were?
 

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Let me pose this question. What would result in more national pride: the entire team belting out the anthem in four part harmony or winning?
 

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I find it funny so much discussion about singing or not signing the national anthem. So, far the performance of this team has been poor. So poor that any issue about the national anthem falls down the list when it comes to issues on this team.

First, the team has shown zero competitive spirit. There is no urgency to win in any part of the game.

Second, the technical coaching has been terrible. Perhaps the worst we have seen for a national team.

Third, the rest of the world is catching, if not passing the USA when it comes to player development. The team will need to out compete the other teams. There is no talent gap. See #1

Fourth- So far we lack a goal scorer, let alone scorers. And the goalkeeping talent is low. We have one of the lower talented goalkeepers in the tournament. If you can’t score goals when you have opportunities and you can get high level keeper play when the other team has opportunities, you will not win many games. Regardless of what happens in the middle third.

The team was lucky to get to the knock out round. But they are there. Which means they have a chance to get on a roll.
 
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The only reason I'm hoping that they win is so I can once again see Rapinoe strike that "Look at me!!! Aren't I great !!!!" pose and then hear her be really hip and drop some more f-bombs on the crowd at the victory parade.
 

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Let me pose this question. What would result in more national pride: the entire team belting out the anthem in four part harmony or winning?

"Pride" is kind of meaningless and the world's spiritual traditions caution against it.

However US enemies love to see US media, citizens, celebs hating on the country (especially for the usual stupid reasons the enemies help create).

As for the games, I don't think real men care about women's soccer, basketball, softball etc. Track, gymnastics, skating with sides of skiing/swimming are ok.
 
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