OT: 2023 Women's World Cup

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mildone_rivals

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Let it go. It’s a topic that has been lamely and pointlessly “debated” to absolutely no effect at least a half dozen times on the CE forum. 😉
Yeah, but I’m not taking sides or seriously debating anything. I’m just having fun messing with the easily outraged. Having fun pointing out what should be obvious logical inconsistencies.

I‘m not seriously trying to convince anybody of anything. Not going for anything more than laughs.

Again, I don’t care what the players do outside their performance in the game. And I don’t care what anybody thinks about what they’re doing. Nobody is convincing anybody of anything.
 

greenknight

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The hate and rage is strong with you. Gooooood. Goooooood.

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I find it funny so much discussion about singing or not signing the national anthem. So, far the performance of this team has been poor. So poor that any issue about the national anthem falls down the list when it comes to issues on this team.

First, the team has shown zero competitive spirit. There is no urgency to win in any part of the game.

Second, the technical coaching has been terrible. Perhaps the worst we have seen for a national team.

Third, the rest of the world is catching, if not passing the USA when it comes to player development. The team will need to out compete the other teams. There is no talent gap. See #1

Fourth- So far we lack a goal scorer, let alone scorers. And the goalkeeping talent is low. We have one of the lower talented goalkeepers in the tournament. If you can’t score goals when you have opportunities and you can get high level keeper play when the other team has opportunities, you will not win many games. Regardless of what happens in the middle third.

The team was lucky to get to the knock out round. But they are there. Which means they have a chance to get on a roll.
Locker rooms have been lost over issues much less incendiary than politics. Over the years, I have inquired about a few prominent Central Jersey high school sport teams which obviously underperformed in a game or games. My questions were directed at people very connected with high school sports and the reasons were "locker room" problems. One of the sources was a varsity boys' soccer head coach. I expressed my wonder at his team losing three straight games to smaller schools. He blamed it on the locker room. To me, that made sense since I knew how he coached and how his team played.
 

Ronnie_B

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True...but I'd say that it's age that caught up to her, not politics. She was incredibly outspoken in 2019 when she was still one of the best players in the world, and no one pointed to that hurting her game.
She was 34 then and her soccer career was coming to a close as well as the little spotlight she had, truthfully she was barely known to the average sports man, I know I never heard of her.

But the minute she made her political stances she become well known world wide and probably rich as hell too with now a permanent spotlight.

She's an opportunist, a shrewd one too. And she makes it hard to root for her. If she wasn't on this team I think most would be rooting for them, I feel bad for the ladies who just want to play and win.
 
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She was 34 then and her soccer career was coming to a close as well as the little spotlight she had, truthfully she was barely known to the average sports man, I know I never heard of her.

But the minute she made her political stances she become well known world wide and probably rich as hell too with now a permanent spotlight.

She's an opportunist, a shrewd one too. And she makes it hard to root for her. If she wasn't on this team I think most would be rooting for them, I feel bad for the ladies who just want to play and win.
So you celebrate your right to speak out in support of your political stances, but another American shouldn't be allowed to? Are you for the flag on the front of the shirt or not? Seems unpatriotic to put precedence on the name on the back of the shirt over the flag on the front.
 

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So you celebrate your right to speak out in support of your political stances, but another American shouldn't be allowed to? Are you for the flag on the front of the shirt or not? Seems unpatriotic to put precedence on the name on the back of the shirt over the flag on the front.
"Celebrating" or supporting the right to speak is different than thinking someone is a moron for saying dumb stuff. These two things are mutually exclusive.
 

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"Pride" is kind of meaningless and the world's spiritual traditions caution against it.

However US enemies love to see US media, citizens, celebs hating on the country (especially for the usual stupid reasons the enemies help create).

As for the games, I don't think real men care about women's soccer, basketball, softball etc. Track, gymnastics, skating with sides of skiing/swimming are ok.
One of your dumber posts. I know plenty of men (who are definitely real) who enjoy women's soccer, basketball, golf, tennis, gymnastics, etc. This thread is proof of that for soccer, despite the CE silliness in the thread.
 
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Interesting to note that despite all of the great female soccer players in U.S. history (Hamm, Lloyd, Wambach, Chastain, Akers, Lilly, Foudy, Pearce) Rapinoe is the only one to receive the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
I'm guessing that the others didn't do enough self promoting morally superior activities.
 

Ronnie_B

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So you celebrate your right to speak out in support of your political stances, but another American shouldn't be allowed to? Are you for the flag on the front of the shirt or not? Seems unpatriotic to put precedence on the name on the back of the shirt over the flag on the front.
Lol, where did I say she didn't have a right?

There is a segment of our society that so passionately wants to stick politics into all aspects of life and then they get offended when people get offended by this.

We should be leaving politics out of sports and a lot of other things, it's not healthy for a society (especially for our youth) to have divisive issues shoved down their throats 24/7.

I can't imagine what it must be like for a kid to not be able to escape all this political ********, it's got to be depressing as hell for them. Anyone who thinks this is mentally healthy for them really needs to reevaluate.
 

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Interesting to note that despite all of the great female soccer players in U.S. history (Hamm, Lloyd, Wambach, Chastain, Akers, Lilly, Foudy, Pearce) Rapinoe is the only one to receive the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
I'm guessing that the others didn't do enough self promoting morally superior activities.
The Presidential Medal of Freedom is completely meaningless now. Just politicians giving it out to people of similar political ideology to make political statements for future political benefit.
 

Ronnie_B

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One of your dumber posts. I know plenty of men (who are definitely real) who enjoy women's soccer, basketball, golf, tennis, gymnastics, etc. This thread is proof of that for soccer, despite the CE silliness in the thread.
So basically you have no problem with players injecting politics into sports but you have a problem with posters injecting politics into a thread about the same players..... com'on Numbers, you don't see the hypocrisy on that?
 
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One of your dumber posts. I know plenty of men (who are definitely real) who enjoy women's soccer, basketball, golf, tennis, gymnastics, etc. This thread is proof of that for soccer, despite the CE silliness in the thread.

Just socer itself is a problem.

Its a peasant game ideal for shorter people running around and around and around (and likely to win 1-0).
In UK rugby is the pedigreed game for young boys being cultivated into manhood - no tippy-toe dancy ball where everybody pretends to be hurt lol. American football came from that rugby

"Some studies date the origins of US intercollegiate football – and, by extension, the modern game of American football – back to a soccer-style game played between Princeton and Rutgers universities in 1869. This article joins with others to argue that such a narrative is misleading, and goes further to clarify the significance of two “international” fixtures in 1873 and 1874, which had a formative and lasting impact on football in the United States. These games, contested between alumni from England’s Eton College and students at Yale University, and between students at Canada’s McGill University and Harvard University, combined to revolutionize the American football code. Between 1875 and 1880, previous soccer-style versions of US intercollegiate football were replaced with an imported, if somewhat modified, version of rugby football. It was the “American rugby” that arose as a result of these transnational exchanges that is the true ancestor of the gridiron game of today."


 

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Highly ranked Brazil knocked out by Jamaica who had to use go fund me to get to the WWC.

If the US gets knocked out I'm hoping Jamaica goes all the way a great Cinderella story and a movie ready to be made.

No one not even the newly minted FB soccer experts saw this coming?
 
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Highly ranked Brazil knocked out by Jamaica who had to use go fund me to get to the WWC.

If the US gets knocked out I'm hoping Jamaica goes all the way a great Cinderella story and a movie ready to be made
Another Jamaica sports movie ?
 

mildone_rivals

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Highly ranked Brazil knocked out by Jamaica who had to use go fund me to get to the WWC.

If the US gets knocked out I'm hoping Jamaica goes all the way a great Cinderella story and a movie ready to be made.

No one not even the newly minted FB soccer experts saw this coming?
If they're from Brazil but have no nuts, the newly minted experts aren't interested in them.

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Highly ranked Brazil knocked out by Jamaica who had to use go fund me to get to the WWC.

If the US gets knocked out I'm hoping Jamaica goes all the way a great Cinderella story and a movie ready to be made.

No one not even the newly minted FB soccer experts saw this coming?
Morocco and Nigeria getting thru are equally as shocking...they were both in pot 4 in the draw. Heck, Morocco lost their first game 6-0 to Germany and still made it thru. It's almost unheard of for a team to win 6-0, and only the loser of that game advances.
 

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Morocco and Nigeria getting thru are equally as shocking...they were both in pot 4 in the draw. Heck, Morocco lost their first game 6-0 to Germany and still made it thru. It's almost unheard of for a team to win 6-0, and only the loser of that game advances.
In some public statements pushing back against Lloyd's criticism of the team, one of the USWNT players said something about this being a "weird tournament". Taken in context, she was referring to it being weird in terms of results so far.

Hard to argue her point.

Maybe it has to do with the "fact" that toilet water spins the opposite direction in the Southern Hemisphere. 😉
 

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Agreed. Former players aren't on the team and, while they're entitled to their opinions, those opinions are no more worthwhile than anybody else who isn't part of the team.

I personally don't GAF about all the silly babbling about post-game demeanor or the team's attitude. Many times, across multiple sports, I've seen repeat championship teams play like crap in group stages of tournaments, just to ramp things up as they get into the elimination rounds, peaking in the finals. Hopefully that's the case here. We'll see.

The team struggled in midfield again, although less on defense and more on offense compared to the prior game. At least they corrected several mistakes that really hurt them in the first half of the prior game (much better first touch, bit better positional play, almost no diving in by first defenders, better third defender play).

But the mids are still playing too unidirectionally with the ball. They're still too slow to drop and switch the ball, demonstrating poor composure with the ball at times, which is unusual to see at this level. Team-wide support play, especially when under pressure, was not great again. Just a general lack of movement away from the ball.

A new wrinkle this game is the backs being disorganized even when they had the luxury of numbers up situations. Need to fix that.

A troubling ongoing theme with this USWNT team, from last game to this one, is a tendency to lose proper shape in small-group defending. By which I mean, while defending, you often see 3-4 US players in a straight line horizontally across the field in the middle third of the field. It's a really bad thing 'cause it means one pass can beat 4 defenders instantly, putting them all behind the ball and scrambling to recover. The team needs to see that in video and work on maintaining proper depth while moving on defense.

Another thing that occurred too often was the US was slow to transition to attacking play after gaining possession at the back. That happened more in the first half, seemed to be addressed at halftime. Not sure if that was deliberate (i.e. coached) or energy or what. But it allowed Portugal to press a bit too easily, IMO.

I don't know this coach and haven't seen enough games to judge. But all these issues are extremely coachable with players at this level. Poor support play is often an energy thing, so energy was probably a factor again, as it was in the first half against the Dutch. But it also looked like the US midfield players are uncomfortable in their roles or are maybe unused to working together. I don't know the team well enough to say that's the case; just that it appeared that way. Maybe the coach is asking them to play a style they aren't comfortable doing. Maybe not.
Then the team should not have reacted to the comments if she did not matter.
 

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It's actually kind of funny to watch a bunch of guys who weren't accomplished enough athletically to earn a spot on any national team judge the attitudes of the USWNT players. I don't know about you, but I'm just super-impressed by all their tough talk. 🤣
Lalas and Lloyd judged and we are commenting on their criticisms.

We can judge as well based on what we see and what we do not see on the field.

You state you don't GAF but yet you babble on with a long winded response.

Get triggered much.....
 
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vkj91

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Morocco and Nigeria getting thru are equally as shocking...they were both in pot 4 in the draw. Heck, Morocco lost their first game 6-0 to Germany and still made it thru. It's almost unheard of for a team to win 6-0, and only the loser of that game advances.
Nigeria's coach should be our coach.
 

mildone_rivals

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Lalas and Lloyd judged and we are commenting on their criticisms.

We can judge as well based on what we see and what we do not see on the field.

You state you don't GAF but yet you babble on with a long winded response.

Get triggered much.....
Yes, I am triggered by the easily outraged to make fun of them. It's just too much fun to pass up on.

Sorry if you struggle with reading. I can, if you want, provide you with cliff notes or draw you some pictures.
 
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Then the team should not have reacted to the comments if she did not matter.
The players actually said that her comments didn't really matter. Because they don't. Winning is what matters. Commentators don't matter.

But if you want to make an argument that commentator's opinions matter in any material way, make your case. Good luck with that. 🤣
 
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I think there's a good chance Andonovski will be out if we lose to Sweden on Sunday.
I've only seen the two games w/him coaching. And he's had a pretty good record. So I'll reserve judgement.

But I wouldn't be surprised if he is out if the US loses. Much higher expectations for them than for the men due to prior success and less competition for top athletes in the nation.
 
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I've only seen the two games w/him coaching. And he's had a pretty good record. So I'll reserve judgement.

But I wouldn't be surprised if he is out if the US loses. Much higher expectations for them than for the men due to prior success and less competition for top athletes in the nation.
I’d be very surprised if he survived a round of 16 performance…good time to bring in someone else for the lead up to the Olympics (and the “changing of the guard” with some of the player pool).
 

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It's behind a paywall, but Jason Gay's article on the team in today's WSJ is well worth the read. The section I like most:

"The 2023 U.S. team has indeed been underwhelming. It meanders, it plays with little urgency or even a clear strategy. Anyone who woke up at 3 a.m. ET for the 0-0 Portugal result and managed to stay awake should be studied by scientists. The team looks stuck between the USWNT of the future and the USWNT of the past."
 

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I think there's a good chance Andonovski will be out if we lose to Sweden on Sunday.
I'd say he's 100% gone if we lose to Sweden and rightly so. The great thing about sports, though, is they're full of surprises and maybe the team puts on a great performance on Sunday.
 

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I'd say he's 100% gone if we lose to Sweden and rightly so. The great thing about sports, though, is they're full of surprises and maybe the team puts on a great performance on Sunday.
I hope, for the sake of the players, that they pull things together.

Lots of minor easily correctable mistakes taking place. Taken together, I think the mistakes make the team look worse than probably are. And so many little mistakes complicate the game and wear a team down.

Fix the mistakes, I think the team’s apparent energy will improve considerably. Takes coaching and buy in by the players to fix the mistakes. But I think it’s doable.
 

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Maybe it has to do with the "fact" that toilet water spins the opposite direction in the Southern Hemisphere. 😉

Enough with the spin on this thread.
First time I went to Ecuador I had to see what direction water would drain on the equator… so as soon as I checked in to my hotel room I filled the sink then pulled the drain plug to get the answer. Sure enough the water sucked strait down the drain like it was being vacuumed out … NO spin! 😉

PS - believe that? I have a bridge to sell 🙂
PSS - I really did do this experiment in Quito… it drained just like here in NJ
 

mildone_rivals

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First time I went to Ecuador I had to see what direction water would drain on the equator… so as soon as I checked in to my hotel room I filled the sink then pulled the drain plug to get the answer. Sure enough the water sucked strait down the drain like it was being vacuumed out … NO spin! 😉

PS - believe that? I have a bridge to sell 🙂
PSS - I really did do this experiment in Quito… it drained just like here in NJ
Yeah, the spin thing, in toilets at least, is a myth.
 

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Had stuff all morning into the afternoon, so just catching up now and got to see the hurt that Spain put on the Swiss, winning 5-1 and it could've been 10-0 (the Swiss goal was a terrible own goal by a Spanish defender rocketing a pass from midfield back to her keeper, but mishitting it into the goal). Spain had several gorgeous goals with intricate passing and a coupe of really nice moves by the goal scorers. Saw that Japan beat Norway 3-1, also, but didn't see it.
 
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