Heading up to FSU vs Clemson on Sept 23.
Those that think Miami, uva, UNC are better choices then FSU or Clemson just need to go to one game at either place.
OT: Barstool reporting serious rumor of Washington, Oregon, FSU, and Clemson to the Big Ten this week
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Those that think Miami, uva, UNC are better choices then FSU or Clemson just need to go to one game at either place.
All he keeps repeating to her is "You do know that the PAC 12 is known as the Conference of Champions, don't you?"
Love Death Valley
Truly magical place for a game
Odviously I’m biased for Doak, but Clemson is special
Nobody would be ignoring anything GOR related
But ignoring the growing conference $ discrepancy and standing pat in that disaster of a conference would be a death sentence for both programs and ruin any championship aspirations moving forward
With the Amt of Rutgers alumni in both FL and to a lesser extent SC, I’d imagine their visitors allotment would be filked at DV & Doak on the regular
Been getting hashed out for awhileClemson is a highly unlikely B10 candidate ever.
ESPN is not only going to let FSU go to a conference of which they have no tv rights but now Clemson as well. Essentially two of the biggest schools in a property (ACC) in which they hold all the rights. And of course this has all been hashed out to happen this week no less. Sounds totally believable.
Lots of moving parts
I kinda like Miami over FSU (if anyone were to ask me lol)
But Miami as a school and even athletics seem like a much better fit . FSU has SEC written all over it from a fit standpoint
But Miami as a school and even athletics seem like a much better fit . FSU has SEC written all over it from a fit standpoint
I'm putting zero specifically on this guy actually having credible info that these four teams are all being added this week.
There is always going to be room for ND. One of the few school that any league will make room for regardless of the logistics.
Yeah I think we agree on most things here. FSU has a lot of potential benefits for the BIG. All 4 teams are great programs.
It's mutually beneficial IMO
Noles bring a name brand
B1G gets into FL
$$ works for both, which ultimately is what matters in modern day college athletics
Clemson to me has zero shot of being in the B1G. They just don't fit at all outside of quality football.
Clemson is ranked #77 nationally and #31 public universities in the 2022 US News rankings and we are ranked #55 nationally and #19 public universities for whatever that is worth. The Clemson endowment is slightly over a billion dollars and ours is almost 2 billion. They are not an AAU member.Clemson is a highly unlikely B10 candidate ever.
ESPN is not only going to let FSU go to a conference of which they have no tv rights but now Clemson as well. Essentially two of the biggest schools in a property (ACC) in which they hold all the rights. And of course this has all been hashed out to happen this week no less. Sounds totally believable.
Now, just based on the #s and the lack of AAU membership I would say they were unlikely to get an invitation, however, football drives the bus nationally, and college football is a Southern sport, and you can't get much more Southern than South Carolina. If you were just building a football conference based on the best programs in the ACC, taking Clemson would be a no brainer. Rabid fan base, winning program, huge $ investment into facilities, total commitment to football, there is no better pure football program in the ACC. This will be an interesting decision for the B1G, do they stick to their quasi-academic standards for membership, or go all in for football.
Which automatically assumes these teams come in with a full big ten payout
The big ten would have to do that in order for it to work
Rutgers hoping for a five team division (where teams play each other twice per season) like this:
Rutgers
Indiana
Northwestern
Maryland
Washington
8 and Oh, baby.
Rutgers
Indiana
Northwestern
Maryland
Washington
8 and Oh, baby.
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Clemson to the big ten is like a knife in the chest to the ACC
If you want to cripple the competition
I think all the possibilities are interesting and I would let ND get one final shot at being the 20th team in the conference, when we have three or four teams ready to come as a certainty
ND would have to understand that this is probably it
But it's not it and that's the problem. We have 16 teams and ND wants in - great we'll make 17 work. If we have 20 teams and they call the BIG up - yup come on in - we will play with 21.
Also, as fans we think Clemson must be the 4th choice, but unless some of you work in the conference headquarters, we don't know, maybe they have been targeting Clemson for a while and they have moved way passed the AAU membership, academic rankings and all that other stuff we think is vital to membership.
For all the they aren’t a fit crowd. I think many of you have been out of college to long. You don’t know how much these schools have improved both academically and as a destination school for NJ kids. As I said in another thread, exactly zero of my daughters class’ top ten applied to Rutgers. I believe 2 are going to Clemson. I have a friend whose daughter was #3 at her HS. She’s going to FSU. Overall I think my daughters class has like 6 kids going to Clemson.
3 divisions (6,7,7)
3 division winners plus 1 wild card make conference playoffs
1vWC
2v3
Winners play in CCG
Winner plays SEC Champ for overall Champ.
You can’t have 2 playoff conference games and then an expanded playoffs. This kids will be unionized in 5 years
I'd still be surprised by Clemson but I'd wonder if it's not a sort of veiled threat/bluff to UNC. Delany couldn't get UNC but if you give impression of Clemson/FSU somewhere down the line then it might make UNC think twice about trying their best to stay put. Then as the B10 you get FSU and UNC.
South Carolina is also one of the fastest growing states in the nation and that trend is only likely to continue well into the future. B1G membership will also help drive Clemson academics and research improvements. It makes some sense if you are looking at the big picture.
Replace the expanded playoffs.
There are still going to be 6 conference champs in the playoffs when all these teams leave the PAC and ACC?
It's bad enough a G5 champ is automatically getting in.
You can’t replace the playoffs unless you break away from the NCAA. So much money tied up in the bowl games and TV etc.
If you had some sort of conference semifinals you'd have to have it somehow flex scheduled into the last week of the season....something similar to what happened in the pandemic year. It might add a conference game and repeats to everyone's schedule but it wouldn't add a game to the schedule overall.
At what point are the other "P5" conference just not good enough anymore for automatic playoff inclusion?
It's already decided that only 1 G5 conference is worthy of an automatic playoff spot.
As more teams consolidate into larger conferences, the other conferences fall off.
Unless you think all G5 conferences should be in the playoff?
It's already decided that only 1 G5 conference is worthy of an automatic playoff spot.
As more teams consolidate into larger conferences, the other conferences fall off.
Unless you think all G5 conferences should be in the playoff?
In reality we probably take ND at any number, that I get
But you can try to make it sound like you want to stop forever at a certain number
They may be arrogant enough to not believe that, but I would give it a shot
I think there likely will always be inclusion, just like you see in the NCAA tourney. It's good for the sport to have more interest across the country and it keeps outsiders off their back. Formula for money split could change though.
I think people need to chill a bit on the all “G5 conference” until everything shakes out. Obviously the B1G and SEC would be too dogs but there are plenty of schools available to create a very formidable ACC or Big 12