OT: British lowered voting age....
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If you've been legally drinking for 5 years, you ought to be able to vote.
The election could be called before that. There is no reasonable logic to defend this.
I'd never thought about England's voting age before today. 16 sounds a hair low but that's their business I reckon.
It is a bad thing, made worse by the ones that are actually having the most kids. Generational idiocy is a problem, with places like Jackson, Mississippi and Kandahar, Afghanistan being just a couple of good examples.
If the average British 16 year old's knowledge of Civics is the same as that of an average American 16 year old, it sounds like a really bad idea.
Labour holds nearly 400 seats of 650 total. The party would never agree to call an early election.
What's unreasonable are the people acting like this is going to significantly change British politics for the worst when it would take an election being within 0.1% already for this to have a chance to swing things (and probably still wouldn't most of the time).
If it makes no difference why are they pushing this ? Argue it on its merits, what are the merits of this ? Its indefensible
Why is it up to me to argue on behalf of a party I don't care about in a country I don't live in?
I think "getting people interested in civics from an earlier age" and "voters who will be adult by the time these terms end deserve to have a say" both seem like reasonable arguments, but it's not my responsibility to make them. Maybe they do have sinister ulterior motives and just don't grasp numbers like I do.
Bottom line is I'm a facts guy, not an emotions guy or a conspiracy guy. Most people aren't, and that's a cross I have to bear in life. All I'm doing is laying out the facts - I showed mathematically how this isn't going to make a difference in the vast majority of races, and I confirmed that the next election is more than 4 years away. If people want to ignore reality to follow their emotions and conspiracies, that's on them.
The average 16 year old American probably knows more civics than the average American adult
The Brit’s are a lost cause, they lost their best citizens 250ish years ago
whatever. You are defending this stupidity, and when asked why you say who am I to defend it. Lol
its simply a cheap dishonest way to get votes from children who dont Know the lessons of life. Massive third world immigration, deindustrialization and being the rape capitol of Europe is a tougher sell to grown adults.
I've worked out the math for you, but if your conspiracy about a country you don't live in helps you sleep at night, more power to you.
Great Britain’s is a sh*thole country that couldn’t catch me ever visiting. Seriously. Roger Waters is potentially facing 10 years in jail for publicly supporting a Palestine Action. As strongly as I disagree with him this is ridiculous.
UK has a radical Muslim problem. They aren't that far away from over taking the entire country. If this were to happen in the future, there goes our greatest ally down the toilet. I have heard that for every UK birth, there are 8 UK Muslim births. I can't verify that, but if it's anywhere close, you can see where this is going. Poor control of their migration over the years from the Middle East is going to cost them and ultimately their relationship with the U.S.
I paid taxes as a 16 year old, at 15 even. I suspect a lot of 16 year olds have jobs, pay some level of taxes. Now I don’t really care about the voting thing. I wouldn’t have voted at 16. Hell I don’t vote at 38.
Saying the quiet part out loud.
How about the more taxes you pay the more votes you get to cast? Or maybe the states that contribute the most taxes, get more members of Congress?
Being an adult person living under the jurisdiction should be the bottom line.
Yes, extremely clueless. L4Dummy once tried to argue that Joe Moronhead had just as good of results as his predecessor (Mullen) and his successor (future HoF coach Leach).
ETA: I apologize for making a sports related post on a political thread.
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JHC, he showed his support for a Terrorist organization, a crime. **** Roger Waters, even his band hated him.
17 him for sure. But I guess I like free speech more than you or the British do.
In the United States, you can burn Old Glory and it is considered freedom of expression. However, an attorney is being charged with arson and criminal mischief for burning an Israeli flag in Manhattan. Make that make sense.
As a big-D Democrat, this would be great. Almost every blue state gives more to the federal government than it receives, while almost every red states gets more than it pays in.
As a small-d democrat, I don't think I could support this
They are no where close to taking over the entire country. Their Muslim problem is bad, but it’s not that bad. France and most of mainland Europe is much worse.
Well, that would pretty much relegate Mississippi to maybe a quarter of a Congressman.
If that guy isn't sent to prison for life, Israel should bomb us. As Americans we should be willing to do whatever Israel wants and give them as much money as they ask for.***
It's amazing how some Americans, including politicians, seem more loyal to Israel than America. And yes I'm glad they destroyed Hamas but seeing what's going on in Gaza is unsettling. And I don't think the religious right actually realizes how anti-Christian a large segment of Israeli society is.
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Right.
On second thought, maybe 0 since we actually receive more than we pay. Sounds fair following the logic that only those who pay get a vote.
Fair enough, but my original point is that we should decide what a legal adult is and then decide what should be restricted to adults.
I’m also in favor of requiring annual written and practical driving tests starting at social security eligibility age.
It’s only fair since we are basing voting rights on what you pay. *As a big-D Democrat, this would be great. Almost every blue state gives more to the federal government than it receives, while almost every red states gets more than it pays in.
As a small-d democrat, I don't think I could support this
Yeah, Muslims aren't gonna take over Britain any time soon, but they do hold sway in a few communities. And British politicians seem especially prone to white guilt about their past so they ignore extremism and a reluctance to assimilate. For instance, there was a bit of controversy over cousin marriage there recently; it's practiced by Pakistanis because it's woven into their culture. Those consanguineous marriages lead to a high number of kids with genetic disorders. Joking about cousin marriage among white people is fine but you can't say that about people actually practicing it. They're sacred so don't engage in blasphemy you bigot.
Anyway, yeah I'm glad we have the first amendment and maybe Britain will get a Donald Trump type of leader one day when enough people get fed up with the constant leftward cultural shift and self-loathing. Sometimes the Left just doesn't know when to stop and accept that life is pretty good and no one category of the population is really oppressed. Still, Britain's a pretty cool place to visit. Even though London's just barely majority white, it's still pretty easy to go places and be around like 90% white people. New Orleans is like that too. Even white progressives like hanging out with other white people for the most part.
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Boris, like Biden, opened the floodgates to allow in all sorts of immigrants and migrants. Most Europeans are opposed to massive immigration but their politicians, other than Poles, Danes and Norwegians, don't seem to care what their voters think.
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