Borris was the Brexit guy….and that was mostly over immigration. Most of the UK‘s worst problems with immigration occurred when they had no control over their own borders when they were in the EU. They are trying now…with mixed results.
OT: British lowered voting age....
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I think you got played by someone who wanted to scare you.
6% of the overall population, 10% of children, is nowhere close to being a majority. Even with immigration, we're talking about the country's population growing 1% per year with less than half of that being Muslims.
The numbers just aren't there to support your dooming.
Every major city in the UK has a Muslim mayor right now. Muslims have a birth rate double the native population of the UK. Add that onto massive immigration from third world Muslim countries and it will be a Muslim country by the end of my life unless something changes. You have no clue what you’re talking about.
1. Not true - You can look through this list and see that most of them are not Muslim:
Directly elected mayors in England - Wikipedia
2. The math just doesn't work for what you're alleging. The birthrates and immigration numbers just aren't what they need to be for the United Kingdom, whose population is nearly 70,000,000 and currently 6% Muslim to reach 50% in the next few decades. You've bought into some hype without working it out on your own to check it.
Not my numbers, but was told this by a British citizen last year. He said it won't have much effect until those babies grow into a voting age adult.
Stop drinking the MAGA kool aid and look at the facts you trumptard. The Muslims are trying to infiltrate the UK with their conservative backward way of thinking and destroy centuries of progressive Western Civilization1. Not true - You can look through this list and see that most of them are not Muslim:
Also, the mayor of London, for example, while Muslim was born in Britain and lived his whole life there. He isn't an immigrant.Directly elected mayors in England - Wikipedia
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2. The math just doesn't work for what you're alleging. The birthrates and immigration numbers just aren't what they need to be for the United Kingdom, whose population is nearly 70,000,000 and currently 6% Muslim to reach 50% in the next few decades. You've bought into some hype without working it out on your own to check it.
Why didn't you immediately know that he was full of ѕhit? 89% of babies are Muslim? When they make up less 10% of the giving-birth-age population?
Maybe he meant to say 1 out of every 8, which is a little higher than I was able to find Googling, but at least in the realm of plausibility...
Don't think he is. He works for the UK Government. I would expect he knows a lot more about it than me or any other keyboard international wizards. Many of the Muslim births are not happening in UK hospitals. They have their own doctors, nurses, and midwives, etc. A lot of those births go unreported in UK statistics. Whether it's 8 to 1 or 2 to 1, they are still far outpacing generational native British births. He said in about 15-18 years from now, they will be able to vote in Muslims at any level of government with ease. They expect the UK will be a totally Muslim nation in effect.
I just ... don't understand why you are clinging to something that is so clearly mathematically impossible.
Like, "oh well maybe its not 89% but it's just 67%" as if that's any more plausible. The official numbers are around 10%. Do you really think there are hundreds of thousands of unreported Muslim births every year across the UK and nobody has ever noticed .... except this one random government worker who told you but not the rest of the world?
Either this guy was just a complete nut out of touch with reality, or he actually said/meant to say "1 out of every 8."
I spent the last 15 minutes playing in Excel and seeing what it would take to get the Muslim % of the UK to be over 50%. Using higher numbers for Muslim birth rates and immigration rates than we've actually seen this decade, and ballooning the total population up above 150,000,000 (no projections for the UK population are nearly that high), I was able to get there by 2080.
Think of it this way - the non-Muslim population of the UK is over 65,000,000. Assuming that there aren't going to be any mass conversions to Islam in the next few decades from the non-Muslim population, that number is going to continue to rise, maybe slower than the Muslim population number will rise, but there's just no way to get a Muslim majority without a massive population increase, and there's no way to get that massive population increase without plugging in numbers that we just haven't seen in real life.
Think of it this way - the non-Muslim population of the UK is over 65,000,000. Assuming that there aren't going to be any mass conversions to Islam in the next few decades from the non-Muslim population, that number is going to continue to rise, maybe slower than the Muslim population number will rise, but there's just no way to get a Muslim majority without a massive population increase, and there's no way to get that massive population increase without plugging in numbers that we just haven't seen in real life.
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Congrats on spending 15 minutes in excel playing with UK Muslim birthrates.
Fun fact: In the UK you can enlist in the Army at 16 (can’t see active combat until 18). If you can do that, you should be able to vote at 16.
For years we were on exponential growth
now we are just maintaining
that will change.
not over populating isn’t a bad thing.
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16 year olds are informed and always make this best decisions so yeah this is a great idea............to 16 years of age. Thoughts on this?
UK to lower voting age to 16 by next general election
The United Kingdom’s voting reform represented the biggest change to the electorate since 1969.www.semafor.com
A discussion on the Pack about English politics reminds me of the time Barney and Wade Boggs got into an argument at Moe's over the greatest English PM. It's not something you would expect.
Everyone aged 18 and older should have the right to vote. If society considers you mature enough to serve in the military, make significant sacrifices, and/or to take on crippling debt then they should also be trusted to participate in choosing their government. Requiring land ownership to vote today would be equivalent to imposing a wealth threshold, such as having a net worth of two million dollars...and I've met a ton of pricks in my life who didn't do jack **** but inherit money or a last name and both have had too much sway in the everyday dealings of Mississippi politics.
Yep. That was the main reason we lowered the voting age to 18 when we did it.
I hate to tell you but that doesn’t make you an expert. Doesn’t even make you close to one.
I spent 3 months in rural Hungary. I’m not an expert on their day to day problems.
Hahahah you are the one who always claims you know everything
I have never understood how people can define what other people's self interest is. The ones doing it are defining it according what THEY see that interest as being.
We are about to find out.
How many 16 yr olds are going to leave the video console long enough to go out and vote? Sounds like a non issue to me
I'd say this is correct when I think about it.The average 16 year old American probably knows more civics than the average American adult
Births by parents’ country of birth, England and Wales - Office for National Statistics
Annual statistics on live births including countries of birth for non-UK-born mothers and fathers.
www.ons.gov.uk
People are being prosecuted in the UK for posting “hateful” or “racist” things on social media.
that’s against everyone’s self interest.
Nah we are doing ok.
Cost of living to income is great here.
pretty good on crime besides some liberal ran cities.
houses are affordable
Rent is affordable
Education doing pretty well
Can still by land at a reasonable price
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