OT: civils help me understand

[horshack.sixpack]

Why we needed a study to be told 5 lanes is better than 2? Just put the funds towards the work…


Engineers hired by Madison County Supervisors believe they have identified a solution to the increasing traffic concerns on Stribling Road. The plan involves expanding Stribling Road to five lanes, from Highway 463 to Catlett Road.

STORY: https://www.wlbt.com/2025/07/22/fiv...ffic-jams-including-highway-463-intersection/

 

[patdog]

Well, at least we know it wasn’t Rudy Warnock this time.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

Well, at least we know it wasn’t Rudy Warnock this time.

Maybe it includes plans…

 

[thatsbaseball]

The most stupid dysfunctional project I've seen is the Reunion Extension bridge across I55 without making it an interchange and please spare me the bullshiit excuse "well they're going to do that when they make I55 6 lanes" . Gluckstadt Rd has exits on to I55 and it's not 6 lanes now. They're literally building a bridge to nowhere. 17ing clowns.

 

[The Peeper]

They're literally building a bridge to nowhere. 17ing clowns.

They're building a bridge making it easier to get to the land that someone owns on the other side that wants easier access to said land for reasons not clear to us, yet

 

[Dawg Raid]

If there are grants being used some times the first round of grants will be for the study then once you get the study you reapply for engineering money then next round construction (sometimes those will be put into one).

If the study includes some of the environmental and ROW documentation then it’s well worth doing the study first. The study most likely will not just include a volume analysis.

 

[AttillaTheDog]

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Why we needed a study to be told 5 lanes is better than 2? Just put the funds towards the work…


Engineers hired by Madison County Supervisors believe they have identified a solution to the increasing traffic concerns on Stribling Road. The plan involves expanding Stribling Road to five lanes, from Highway 463 to Catlett Road.

STORY: https://www.wlbt.com/2025/07/22/fiv...ffic-jams-including-highway-463-intersection/

Before any project can be designed or built you need a survey done. Environmental impact, a topo done, which includes hydrology, contours, above and underground utilities, establishing existing R.O.W and acquiring more Row (if needed). Alot of work before you start building.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Why we needed a study to be told 5 lanes is better than 2? Just put the funds towards the work…

You have to design a solution, bruh.

The most stupid dysfunctional project I've seen is the Reunion Extension bridge across I55 without making it an interchange and please spare me the bullshiit excuse "well they're going to do that when they make I55 6 lanes" . Gluckstadt Rd has exits on to I55 and it's not 6 lanes now. They're literally building a bridge to nowhere. 17ing clowns.

Not exactly what you're referencing, but I've been screaming about interchange re-work for years. This country is obsessed with adding lanes but until we re-work many of the interchanges, traffic will continue to pile up, just in wider segments.

Unfortunately too many DOTs think like @horshack.sixpack, and just want to throw the money out there at low-hanging fruit like more lanes. Of course, in the case of Stribling Road, maybe it will work. Above I was talking more about interstates and controlled access.

 

[thatsbaseball]

They're building a bridge making it easier to get to the land that someone owns on the other side that wants easier access to said land for reasons not clear to us, yet

Ahh so you understand Madison county too. I wouldn't be surprised to see a very large project announced on Reunion extension east of Bozeman in the next 12 months. Then the traffic will really get 17ed up..

 

[thatsbaseball]

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Before any project can be designed or built you need a survey done. Environmental impact, a topo done, which includes hydrology, contours, above and underground utilities, establishing existing R.O.W and acquiring more Row (if needed). Alot of work before you start building.

You're right but you left the most important part out....paying the right politicians to promote the project and sign off on it .

 

[T-TownDawgg]

You have to design a solution, bruh.


Not exactly what you're referencing, but I've been screaming about interchange re-work for years. This country is obsessed with adding lanes but until we re-work many of the interchanges, traffic will continue to pile up, just in wider segments.

Unfortunately too many DOTs think like @horshack.sixpack, and just want to throw the money out there at low-hanging fruit like more lanes. Of course, in the case of Stribling Road, maybe it will work. Above I was talking more about interstates and controlled access.

This.
WOW, I agree with GOAT today.

Adding lanes is wonderfully ingenious.

It would suck, however, if horseshack was the design engineer and neglected things like

Culvert constraints
cross slope
ROW
Drainage
Utilities
The 17in railroads take precedence over DOT
Enviro cults
Little things like budget

People forget other little things like bridge bents, rails, abutments, and vertical clearances can constrain even the grandest plans. You can’t move those. Imagine a horseshack designed 5 lane Autobahn that both dips and merges back to 2 lanes at every bridge.

 

[jethreauxdawg]

This.
WOW, I agree with GOAT today.

Adding lanes is wonderfully ingenious.

It would suck, however, if horseshack was the design engineer and neglected things like

cross slope
ROW
Drainage
Utilities
The 17in railroads take precedence over DOT
Enviro cults
Little things like budget

People forget other little things like bridge bents, rails, abutments, and vertical clearances can constrain even the grandest plans. You can’t move those. Imagine a horseshack designed 5 lane Autobahn that both dips and merges back to 2 lanes at every bridge.

I’ve read @horshack.sixpack post a few times. I don’t see where he said to neglect those things.

 

[T-TownDawgg]

I’ve read @horshack.sixpack post a few times. I don’t see where he said to neglect those things.

DawgRaid explained the reason for the series of studies needed. It’s how the system works.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

If there are grants being used some times the first round of grants will be for the study then once you get the study you reapply for engineering money then next round construction (sometimes those will be put into one).

If the study includes some of the environmental and ROW documentation then it’s well worth doing the study first. The study most likely will not just include a volume analysis.

Admittedly I was a little tongue in cheek. The headline was funny to me.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

This.
WOW, I agree with GOAT today.

Adding lanes is wonderfully ingenious.

It would suck, however, if horseshack was the design engineer and neglected things like

Culvert constraints
cross slope
ROW
Drainage
Utilities
The 17in railroads take precedence over DOT
Enviro cults
Little things like budget

People forget other little things like bridge bents, rails, abutments, and vertical clearances can constrain even the grandest plans. You can’t move those. Imagine a horseshack designed 5 lane Autobahn that both dips and merges back to 2 lanes at every bridge.

Let’s be clear. I’m an ee. The reasons it would suck if I designed it are too numerous to count.

 

[T-TownDawgg]

Let’s be clear. I’m an ee. The reasons it would suck if I designed it are too numerous to count.

Let me be clear.
You may well do a better job than some CE designs I’ve seen.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

Let me be clear.
You may well do a better job than some CE designs I’ve seen.

I could for sure fix that Buc-ee’s on I 10 in Alabama

 

[paindonthurt]

Why we needed a study to be told 5 lanes is better than 2? Just put the funds towards the work…


Engineers hired by Madison County Supervisors believe they have identified a solution to the increasing traffic concerns on Stribling Road. The plan involves expanding Stribling Road to five lanes, from Highway 463 to Catlett Road.

STORY: https://www.wlbt.com/2025/07/22/fiv...ffic-jams-including-highway-463-intersection/

Imagine that government over spending

 

[paindonthurt]

You have to design a solution, bruh.

A study is different than a design, bruh.

Unfortunately too many DOTs think like @horshack.sixpack, and just want to throw the money out there at low-hanging fruit like more lanes. Of course, in the case of Stribling Road, maybe it will work. Above I was talking more about interstates and controlled access.

Actually too many DOTs go for the cheapest option so they can do more roads to keep more people happy to get more votes.

We could build much better roads that lasted longer and would save money in the long run.

 

[paindonthurt]

This.
WOW, I agree with GOAT today.

Adding lanes is wonderfully ingenious.

It would suck, however, if horseshack was the design engineer and neglected things like

Culvert constraints
cross slope
ROW
Drainage
Utilities
The 17in railroads take precedence over DOT
Enviro cults
Little things like budget

People forget other little things like bridge bents, rails, abutments, and vertical clearances can constrain even the grandest plans. You can’t move those. Imagine a horseshack designed 5 lane Autobahn that both dips and merges back to 2 lanes at every bridge.

You definitely have to design but my impression was they were paying for a study to see if the extra lanes were needed.

That’s different than designing it properly.

 

[Barkman Turner Overdrive]

I could for sure fix that Buc-ee’s on I 10 in Alabama

What a mess. I’m convinced nobody working for Baldwin County or ADOT has ever been to Texas and thought it was just another gas station.

 

[DoggieDaddy13]

You build more lanes, you get more traffic. Not less. Ask anybody who has to live and drive on the east or west coast, even in the areas you think are less populated.

There can be only one answer:

Public transportation!

 

[horshack.sixpack]

Imagine that government over spending

I just chuckled when I first saw this "Engineers hired by Madison County Supervisors believe they have identified a solution...five lanes...", as if more lanes was groundbreaking. Apparently their concrete canoe did not float...

 

[OG Goat Holder]

A study is different than a design, bruh.

Actually too many DOTs go for the cheapest option so they can do more roads to keep more people happy to get more votes.

We could build much better roads that lasted longer and would save money in the long run.

It's preliminary planning and design, you stupid 17.

I agree on many 'studies' who just repeat whatever the person paying for it wants it to say. But proper planning is still necessary.

 

[paindonthurt]

But proper planning is still necessary.

No one said it wasn't. And the original poster implied it was a simple study you stupid 17.

$2.9 million
double digit goat

 

[thedoubledeuce]

Traffic circles at strategic points along 463, Bozeman, Glukstadt and Stribling roads would be quite helpful and economical, but that would take some thought and foresight from our state officials. Instead, Mississippi is run by a bunch of simpletons.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

Traffic circles at strategic points along 463, Bozeman, Glukstadt and Stribling roads would be quite helpful and economical, but that would take some thought and foresight from our state officials. Instead, Mississippi is run by a bunch of simpletons.

Roundabouts are all the rage in Desoto County. Hernando is about to have 5 or 6 within the year.

 

[stateu1]

Roundabouts are all the rage in Desoto County. Hernando is about to have 5 or 6 within the year.

They're horrible.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Roundabouts are all the rage in Desoto County. Hernando is about to have 5 or 6 within the year.

Roundabouts kick asss, until a dumbshlt like @paindonthurt drives into one......or fails to drive into one.....depending on the situation.

 

[paindonthurt]

Roundabouts kick asss, until a dumbshlt like @paindonthurt drives into one......or fails to drive into one.....depending on the situation.

RENT FREE

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

Roundabouts kick asss, until a dumbshlt like @paindonthurt drives into one......or fails to drive into one.....depending on the situation.

All the ones they have put in were excellent locations for a roundabout. My one critique for a couple of them are the ones on Highway 51. They don’t put enough room in them for semis with long trailers to maneuver through them well and they end up hitting the curbs a lot.

 

[J-Dawg]

Why we needed a study to be told 5 lanes is better than 2? Just put the funds towards the work…


Engineers hired by Madison County Supervisors believe they have identified a solution to the increasing traffic concerns on Stribling Road. The plan involves expanding Stribling Road to five lanes, from Highway 463 to Catlett Road.

STORY: https://www.wlbt.com/2025/07/22/fiv...ffic-jams-including-highway-463-intersection/

I'm scratching my head at if it would even solve the issue. The traffic gets BACKED UP onto Stribling, so the problem isn't inherently Stribling Rd. The intersection of Stribling/463 is bad for 1 hour in the mornings, but not unmanageable. A roundabout or traffic light with extended turnlane would do wonders there.

The real issue is the intersection with Stribling Extension and Catlett Road. Lake Caroline/Ashbrooke traffic heading south/east and wanting to turn onto Extension towards Germantown is what backs up the traffic. If Stribling proper was expanded to 2 eastbound lanes, then we'd just have 2 lanes of traffic at a standstill. Do something at Extension/Catlett intersection before we worry about acquiring a bunch of new ROW along Stribling.

 

[J-Dawg]

Ahh so you understand Madison county too. I wouldn't be surprised to see a very large project announced on Reunion extension east of Bozeman in the next 12 months. Then the traffic will really get 17ed up..

Yep, bet your tail on it. I bet you could narrow the list of high profile or "old-Madison" individuals who will be involved. Same crap as any other town in Mississippi, just under the guise of "white collar".

 

[J-Dawg]

Traffic circles at strategic points along 463, Bozeman, Glukstadt and Stribling roads would be quite helpful and economical, but that would take some thought and foresight from our state officials. Instead, Mississippi is run by a bunch of simpletons.

This is the solution.

 

[thatsbaseball]

Roundabouts are all the rage in Desoto County. Hernando is about to have 5 or 6 within the year.

We don't have that many in the Tri-county area but the ones we have are the "rage" of the local body shops **

 

[horshack.sixpack]

All the ones they have put in were excellent locations for a roundabout. My one critique for a couple of them are the ones on Highway 51. They don’t put enough room in them for semis with long trailers to maneuver through them well and they end up hitting the curbs a lot.

It seems that MS sucks at understanding what a good size is for a roundabout. The one at Renaissance in Ridgeland may be the only example I've seen of one that seems right for the interchange. They made them so tight on Capitol Street that Yugos hop them.***

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

It seems that MS sucks at understanding what a good size is for a roundabout. The one at Renaissance in Ridgeland may be the only example I've seen of one that seems right for the interchange. They made them so tight on Capitol Street that Yugos hop them.***

I think the main issue with one is the limited space they had to work with.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

I think the main issue with one is the limited space they had to work with.

Sure. However, if I don't have room for a swinging door, I might consider a pocket door, not just hang whatever I feel like and watch it semi/not function.

 

[patdog]

I think the main issue with one is the limited space they had to work with.

Yeah. Roundabouts on Capitol Street were not a good idea at all. I used to hate them all, but the data shows that a proper roundabout generally keeps traffic moving and reduces serious accidents.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

Yeah. Roundabouts on Capitol Street were not a good idea at all. I used to hate them all, but the data shows that a proper roundabout generally keeps traffic moving and reduces serious accidents.

It’s also cheaper in the long run than a redlight.