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Hoosker Du

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Many still are. Your bank is still processing **** right? Your trash is still being taken away right? Your packages are still coming from every online place you order from right? Your lights are still on right? Your water still turn on? You are naive if you think all of these places are testing all of their employees every day.

Well, at least one branch of my bank has been closed. I'm pretty sure a fair number of people are still working from home too.

This isn't difficult to understand...you bring everyone back to work without massive testing, you're going to kill a lot of people, and this virus will be around for a good year and a half to two years. We have to use widespread testing to get us to the time a vaccine is approved.
 

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I'm not saying it wont slow it down. It just wont stop it in its tracks. It is still going to chug along erupting in spots here and there. Testing and tracking will be an attempt to put out the fires as they erupt, but it is not a cure.

Testing is our best opportunity to dramatically slow down this virus, until we have a vaccine. Add in wearing masks being mandatory in public, and I think it would make a significant difference in new cases and deaths.
 

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Testing testing
https://www.foxnews.com/science/rec...d-positive-for-covid-19-likely-not-reinfected
Remember those fake stories of people being reinfected? Fake news, you know why?
Because of testing.
For all you putting your faith in testing, suggest you read my link. After recovery, the tests are worthless, contrary to what some are saying.
The residue of dead virus left in the body trip the tests as being positive, though people are recovered, and are not infectious.
So, no, testing isn't the be all answer. The end all answer, just a small tool
The residue left over in the blood trips the tests, so, what Drs are finding out is, the only way to be sure is to remove blood from a recovered patient, then isolate and try to grow culture from the virus material.

So far, not one recovered,so called reinfected person has been reinfected. The testing is flawed, and Drs observations through symptoms testing is proving to be the right answer, not more testing.
 

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I saw these people referred to as the Zoom/Slack class

This is happening as well. At my work a guy's wife and daughter both work at Belk. They've been called back to help fulfill online orders, but aren't picking up the phone because they are making quadruple what they would normally make and plan to stay on unemployment for the duration. This is happening a lot out here in NC. Giving people free money like this is only going to cause them to get a lot greedier.
 
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This is happening as well. At my work a guy's wife and daughter both work at Belk. They've been called back to help fulfill online orders, but aren't picking up the phone because they are making quadruple what they would normally make and plan to stay on unemployment for the duration. This is happening a lot out here in NC. Giving people free money like this is only going to cause them to get a lot greedier.

#nofreakingway!!! Who could have possibly seen that coming!!!
 

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This is happening as well. At my work a guy's wife and daughter both work at Belk. They've been called back to help fulfill online orders, but aren't picking up the phone because they are making quadruple what they would normally make and plan to stay on unemployment for the duration. This is happening a lot out here in NC. Giving people free money like this is only going to cause them to get a lot greedier.

On a sort of related matter, My daughter and her boyfriend both quit their jobs at the same company but they're status on the company's online system has them both listed as on furlow. The skeptic in me is wondering if this company can somehow get more gov't money buy keeping them on the books.
 

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So turns out........ Mack's wife had the corona.

Mid February. She substitute teaches. Week of Valentine's day and both weekends. Fever coming and going as high as 102. Sinuses stuffed up and sneezing, sneezing, sneezing. And cranky. Doc gave her some meds and said to let it run its course. My kids both had similar symptoms for a couple days and missed one day of school over the last weekend my wife had symptoms (One Friday, one Monday).

Mack spent a lot of time that week taking care of the wife and kids, unaware of the corona hazard. Mack never got any symptoms.

As this thing unfolded we wondered if it was this thing or something seasonal.

A couple weeks ago arcpoint labs in our area started offering COVID antibody testing. $170 up front and lab was 45 miles away. Pass. Then this week Quest offered it for $110 lab 6 miles away. OK. At least we would know.

Mrs. Mack went in yesterday AM. Blood draw, 5 minutes out the door. They said results would be back in 2-4 days but normally sooner. Results came back already this AM positive for the immune response.

So now we know. I'm certain the kids were exposed. Would bet that I had it, not sure that I could be in the same house with 3 infected people and not have been exposed. Am not going to take the test myself or for the kids unless there is some benefit to doing so.

And have a wife that was already cranky about wearing a mask now having to wear a mask even though she's already had it = double cranky.
 

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So turns out........ Mack's wife had the corona.

Mid February. She substitute teaches. Week of Valentine's day and both weekends. Fever coming and going as high as 102. Sinuses stuffed up and sneezing, sneezing, sneezing. And cranky. Doc gave her some meds and said to let it run its course. My kids both had similar symptoms for a couple days and missed one day of school over the last weekend my wife had symptoms (One Friday, one Monday).

Mack spent a lot of time that week taking care of the wife and kids, unaware of the corona hazard. Mack never got any symptoms.

As this thing unfolded we wondered if it was this thing or something seasonal.

A couple weeks ago arcpoint labs in our area started offering COVID antibody testing. $170 up front and lab was 45 miles away. Pass. Then this week Quest offered it for $110 lab 6 miles away. OK. At least we would know.

Mrs. Mack went in yesterday AM. Blood draw, 5 minutes out the door. They said results would be back in 2-4 days but normally sooner. Results came back already this AM positive for the immune response.

So now we know. I'm certain the kids were exposed. Would bet that I had it, not sure that I could be in the same house with 3 infected people and not have been exposed. Am not going to take the test myself or for the kids unless there is some benefit to doing so.

And have a wife that was already cranky about wearing a mask now having to wear a mask even though she's already had it = double cranky.

I'm hoping to get tested sometime because I really think I had it back in January. I'm hearing the same thing from lots of people. Glad it turned out OK for you and yours.
 
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Testing testing
https://www.foxnews.com/science/rec...d-positive-for-covid-19-likely-not-reinfected
Remember those fake stories of people being reinfected? Fake news, you know why?
Because of testing.
For all you putting your faith in testing, suggest you read my link. After recovery, the tests are worthless, contrary to what some are saying.
The residue of dead virus left in the body trip the tests as being positive, though people are recovered, and are not infectious.
So, no, testing isn't the be all answer. The end all answer, just a small tool
The residue left over in the blood trips the tests, so, what Drs are finding out is, the only way to be sure is to remove blood from a recovered patient, then isolate and try to grow culture from the virus material.

So far, not one recovered,so called reinfected person has been reinfected. The testing is flawed, and Drs observations through symptoms testing is proving to be the right answer, not more testing.

How does a small amount of false positives render testing fake news? By the way, those tests were developed and mass produced by a private company in Korea in 3 days at the very beginning. They allowed Korea to get the crisis under control in a relatively short amount of time. Test, track and trace works well there. And Seoul has a higher population density than NYC and use mass transportation regularly. Their daily new cases are single digits for a few weeks now. So this kind of testing has worked very well actually.
 

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some alarming new info passed on to me that comes from Taiwan (has been translated with google translate)

They are basically saying the HIV inserts in the virus are causing damage to people's immune system, which can cause a re-occurance of the symptoms, but also potentially permanently damage the immune system. They also raise concern that the virus may stay with you like hepatitis B, and now wonder if transmission is possible with those considered in a recovered state. They are recommending wearing a mask for a year into the future.


◎ Taiwan University Medical Fellowship message for everyone to consider:


In the past year, try to avoid close contact with people who have had new pneumonia, or meet or eat together. Don't be conscious of protection, don't let go.


1. Autopsy revealed:


1. Severe new coronary lung image "SARS + AIDS". Many doctors believe that the condition of returning to the sun after nucleic acid detection after discharge is not a relapse, but an incurable condition. This is related to the characteristics of new coronary pneumonia.

2. The immune system is almost completely destroyed. "SARS only attacks the lungs and does not harm the immune system. AIDS disease destroys the lungs and the systemic immune system. New coronary pneumonia damages critically ill patients like SARS plus AIDS disease.


3. Acute lung injury is the leading cause of death in SARS patients.
However, [multi-organ failure] is an important cause of death of the new coronavirus.


2. Dr. Peng Zhiyong, the director of the Department of Critical Care Medicine of Central South Hospital of Wuhan University, led the team to discuss the case after the autopsy results came out:


1. Some critically ill patients who were discharged from hospital were found through blood tests: The lymphocyte index did not return to normal levels: Their immune system did not fully recover.


2. The current dischargers:
The nucleic acid test was negative, but the immune system was poor and did not recover, and it was easy to return to the sun after discharge.


3. Patients discharged from the hospital may live with the virus for a long time, just like patients with hepatitis B.


4. "Now we need to consider whether this virus-living patient is infectious."


3. Many first-line clinicians believe that:


1. All previous medical resources focus on the rescue of patients with acute new pneumonia. When the number of discharged patients increases, the focus needs to shift to the management of discharged patients. Peng Zhiyong said: "We will follow up for a year to see how the new crown patients have changed after discharge, whether the virus has spread, and whether people around them are affected.


2. From this perspective, the battle for new coronary pneumonia is far from over.


* So it is recommended that you wear a mask when going out for at least one year in the future, and try to avoid gatherings or staying in public places.

orignal:
◎台大醫團契訊息給各位參酌:


近一年內盡量避免與得過新冠肺炎的人近距接觸,或會面或在一起吃飯。 千萬要有防護意識,不能鬆懈。


一. 屍體解剖顯示:


1. 重症新冠肺像 “SARS+AIDS”。 多位醫生認為,出院後核酸檢測返陽的情況,不是複發,而是未治愈。這與新冠肺炎的特點有關。

2. 免疫系統也幾乎全被摧毀。 “SARS 只攻擊肺,不會傷害免疫系統。AIDS 病會破壞肺与全身免疫系統。新冠肺炎對危重症病人的損害,像SARS 加 AIDS病。


3. 急性肺損傷是SARS病人死亡的主要原因。
但是,【多器官衰竭】是新冠病毒重要死亡原因。


二. 武漢大學中南醫院重症醫學科主任彭志勇醫師,在屍檢結果出來後,帶領團隊進了行案例討論:


1. 一些出院的重症病人,通過血液檢測發現: 淋巴細胞指數沒有恢復正常水平: 他們的免疫系統並沒有完全恢復。


2. 在目前的出院者:
核酸檢測是陰性,但免疫系統很差,並沒有恢復,在出院後很容易返陽。


3. 出院的病人可能會像B型肝炎病人一樣,長期帶病毒生存。


4. “現在要考慮的是,這種帶病毒生存的病人,是否具備傳染性。”


三. 多位第一線臨床醫生認為:


1. 之前所有的醫療資源,集中救急性期新冠肺炎病人。當出院病人增多,重點需轉向出院病人的管理問題。彭志勇說: “我們將會隨訪一年,看新冠病人出院以後怎麼變化的,病毒有沒有傳播性,周圍的人有沒有受影響。


2. 從這個角度講,這場有關新冠肺炎的戰役,遠未結束。


*所以建議: 在今後至少一年中,外出戴口罩,盡量避免聚會或滯留公共場所。
 

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We’ve been lied to so much, I don’t believe a damn thing these experts promote. I am going to live my life until the good Lord says, let’s go.
 

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Other than NYC, has there been a "crisis level" outbreak in any part of the country?

And NYC happened because two weeks or so prior to their outbreak- people were not social distancing, large crowd events were still going on, and no one wearing masks.

I bet NYC would have been very managable had everyone taken the precautions now in place.

Let's get back to living!! (with precautions)
 

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This is happening as well. At my work a guy's wife and daughter both work at Belk. They've been called back to help fulfill online orders, but aren't picking up the phone because they are making quadruple what they would normally make and plan to stay on unemployment for the duration. This is happening a lot out here in NC. Giving people free money like this is only going to cause them to get a lot greedier.
I am confused...a person on unemployment makes quadruple what a job pays them? Unemployment is a mechanism that has existed for over 100 years...and you can't receive unemployment unless you have been let go...so Belk let them go...then tried to hire them back...again confused at how the people are greedy...
 

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I am confused...a person on unemployment makes quadruple what a job pays them? Unemployment is a mechanism that has existed for over 100 years...and you can't receive unemployment unless you have been let go...so Belk let them go...then tried to hire them back...again confused at how the people are greedy...

I'm thinking quadruple may be an exaggeration, but there are plenty of people making more while laid off/on furlough, and I personally also know people not going back when they could for that reason. There were senators who tried to raise the issue when passing the stimulus package, Sen. Sanders took to berating them saying "GOD FORBID PEOPLE GET MORE MONEY!" Those senators wanted to cap total benefits (unemployment plus federal stipend) at 100% of previous income, but it was never done. You also had AOC telling people they shouldn't go back to work when recalled from layoffs/furlough, in protest for better wages.

I can't fault people for it, it's a smart decision on a individual basis, but it may also slow economic recovery because the flow of people going back to work will be slowed.

As far as them being "let go," in many places there is a difference between terminated vs laid off vs furloughed. Lay offs are generally considered to be a temporary thing, whereas termination is a permanent separation. Furlough is even more temporary, and in my father-in-law's case allowed him to keep his insurance and 40% of his pay (plus the $600 government stipend). So it isn't as simple as being "let go," theres more nuance to the language and expectations.
 

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One of my favorite sayings that I've used with clients is "statistics don't mean a damned thing if you're the one in a thousand that gets the disease". At some point we have to ease back on the emotion of the situation and realize how much long term harm we're doing to families and our country by locking things down. Get things open. Practice social distancing as much as possible. Wash your hands. Use your hand sanitizer. WEAR A MASK DAMN IT BUT GET PEOPLE BACK TO WORK! We HAVE to.

This is the dangerous because the "bullshiite" phrase of open back up gives the impression that things have been completely shutdown. It wasn't..essential services have continued to produce and be effective in their roles of being essential. Non-essential shut down to protect our supply lines, and limit viral load in communities. Walmarts have begun to completely shutdown in day 2 of the "reopening"...this never happened during the "worst" of the pandemic. There is demand in our society it just recalibrated and isn't that the nature of free market capitalism? Provide supply to the demand?
 

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How does a small amount of false positives render testing fake news? By the way, those tests were developed and mass produced by a private company in Korea in 3 days at the very beginning. They allowed Korea to get the crisis under control in a relatively short amount of time. Test, track and trace works well there. And Seoul has a higher population density than NYC and use mass transportation regularly. Their daily new cases are single digits for a few weeks now. So this kind of testing has worked very well actually.
Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't S. Korea use a lot of technology to track their citizens such as facial recognition? I just think their form of government and border control gives them a leg up on us in controlling a disease out break. I also suspect that they don't have near the undocumented alien problem that we have. How do you track somebody who may not have a cell phone or know ID? Most of the positive cases in my area have involved immigrant populations who don't exactly use the same hygiene practices we're accustomed to nor do they have living arrangements conducive to preventing spread.
 
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I am confused...a person on unemployment makes quadruple what a job pays them? Unemployment is a mechanism that has existed for over 100 years...and you can't receive unemployment unless you have been let go...so Belk let them go...then tried to hire them back...again confused at how the people are greedy...

I'll bite. Because they are putting an undue burden on the system. They were let go and were rightfully given benefits. Now that the company that let them go wants them to come back, they wont because they can make more due to a poorly written bill. If Belk fills their position, these people will stay on unemployment longer than they needed to and will be a drain on the system. Now multiply this by thousands and it becomes a real problem for the people that actually need unemployment.

When you can make more money out of the workforce from the government than you were making while in the workforce...that is a problem.
 

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This is the dangerous because the "bullshiite" phrase of open back up gives the impression that things have been completely shutdown. It wasn't..essential services have continued to produce and be effective in their roles of being essential. Non-essential shut down to protect our supply lines, and limit viral load in communities. Walmarts have begun to completely shutdown in day 2 of the "reopening"...this never happened during the "worst" of the pandemic. There is demand in our society it just recalibrated and isn't that the nature of free market capitalism? Provide supply to the demand?
The thing with "opening up" is that it allows people who NEED and WANT to be open to provide for their families to now do it. I've said all along. Personal responsibility if very very important. It's WAY more effective in the long run than government edicts.
 

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I'm thinking quadruple may be an exaggeration, but there are plenty of people making more while laid off/on furlough, and I personally also know people not going back when they could for that reason. There were senators who tried to raise the issue when passing the stimulus package, Sen. Sanders took to berating them saying "GOD FORBID PEOPLE GET MORE MONEY!" Those senators wanted to cap total benefits (unemployment plus federal stipend) at 100% of previous income, but it was never done. You also had AOC telling people they shouldn't go back to work when recalled from layoffs/furlough, in protest for better wages.

I can't fault people for it, it's a smart decision on a individual basis, but it may also slow economic recovery because the flow of people going back to work will be slowed.

As far as them being "let go," in many places there is a difference between terminated vs laid off vs furloughed. Lay offs are generally considered to be a temporary thing, whereas termination is a permanent separation. Furlough is even more temporary, and in my father-in-law's case allowed him to keep his insurance and 40% of his pay (plus the $600 government stipend). So it isn't as simple as being "let go," theres more nuance to the language and expectations.

There are more millionaires and billionaires now than at any time in American history. Worker wages have stagnated over the last 25 years, as had buying power, and individual wealth...while debt has skyrocketed. So lets not act like the "worker" is responsible for slow economic recovery. My boy Obama was responsible for the greatest increase in wealth inequality in the history of our country, and Trumpy has only expanded it. I don't care how great Jeff Bezos is...he doesn't work 17000 times harder than me and he didn't build Amazon by himself. The worker has been cucked into thinking they need to support the rich, while taking smaller relative wages, less time off, and fewer benefits...sure the average american should always make more and the top dogs should make less because the nation can't survive on a few thousand rich old dudes, it requires millions of physically and mentally healthy people. It is a hard balance...but the imbalance will always be at the very top....
 
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Other than NYC, has there been a "crisis level" outbreak in any part of the country?

And NYC happened because two weeks or so prior to their outbreak- people were not social distancing, large crowd events were still going on, and no one wearing masks.

I bet NYC would have been very managable had everyone taken the precautions now in place.

Let's get back to living!! (with precautions)

Don’t forget the main problem with NYC is the subway/mass transit system and the utter stupidity of not closing/cleaning of it (MIT study)- f’n Petri dish
 

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There are more millionaires and billionaires now than at any time in American history. Worker wages have stagnated over the last 25 years, as had buying power, and individual wealth...while debt has skyrocketed. So lets not act like the "worker" is responsible for slow economic recovery. My boy Obama was responsible for the greatest increase in wealth inequality in the history of our country, and Trumpy has only expanded it. I don't care how great Jeff Bezos is...he doesn't work 17000 times harder than me and he didn't build Amazon by himself. The worker has been cucked into thinking they need to support the rich, while taking smaller relative wages, less time off, and less benefits...sure the average american should always make more and the top dogs should make less because the nation can't survive on a few thousand rich old dudes, it requires millions of physically and mentally healthy people.

If you don't think millions of people not going back into the work force won't slow the economy, then I don't know what to tell you...
 

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The thing with "opening up" is that it allows people who NEED and WANT to be open to provide for their families to now do it. I've said all along. Personal responsibility if very very important. It's WAY more effective in the long run than government edicts.

You think one of the most obese, violent, drug addicted, ignorant, arrogant nations in the world has personal responsibility? This isn't Sweden. The catch 22 is an educated nation follows government edicts better, but doesn't need them, and a wild west nation like ours needs government edicts but won't follow them. Probably better just to let the virus burn through, kill 250k, and just be grateful it wasn't a society killer.
 

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You think one of the most obese, violent, drug addicted, ignorant, arrogant nations in the world has personal responsibility? This isn't Sweden. The catch 22 is an educated nation follows government edicts better, but doesn't need them, and a wild west nation like ours needs government edicts but won't follow them. Probably better just to let the virus burn through, kill 250k, and just be grateful it wasn't a society killer.
well then if the obese drug addicted ignorant people don't take care of themselves it's their own damned problem. You can't save people who don't want to save themselves.
 

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So turns out........ Mack's wife had the corona.

Mid February. She substitute teaches. Week of Valentine's day and both weekends. Fever coming and going as high as 102. Sinuses stuffed up and sneezing, sneezing, sneezing. And cranky. Doc gave her some meds and said to let it run its course. My kids both had similar symptoms for a couple days and missed one day of school over the last weekend my wife had symptoms (One Friday, one Monday).

Mack spent a lot of time that week taking care of the wife and kids, unaware of the corona hazard. Mack never got any symptoms.

As this thing unfolded we wondered if it was this thing or something seasonal.

A couple weeks ago arcpoint labs in our area started offering COVID antibody testing. $170 up front and lab was 45 miles away. Pass. Then this week Quest offered it for $110 lab 6 miles away. OK. At least we would know.

Mrs. Mack went in yesterday AM. Blood draw, 5 minutes out the door. They said results would be back in 2-4 days but normally sooner. Results came back already this AM positive for the immune response.

So now we know. I'm certain the kids were exposed. Would bet that I had it, not sure that I could be in the same house with 3 infected people and not have been exposed. Am not going to take the test myself or for the kids unless there is some benefit to doing so.

And have a wife that was already cranky about wearing a mask now having to wear a mask even though she's already had it = double cranky.
Violating her constitutional rights since she's immune.
Making the innocent suffer for a blind feel good unconstitutional law isn't a good look,wen more and more become innocent.
 

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How does a small amount of false positives render testing fake news? By the way, those tests were developed and mass produced by a private company in Korea in 3 days at the very beginning. They allowed Korea to get the crisis under control in a relatively short amount of time. Test, track and trace works well there. And Seoul has a higher population density than NYC and use mass transportation regularly. Their daily new cases are single digits for a few weeks now. So this kind of testing has worked very well actually.
The fake news is so obvious. More testing brought more fake positives while claiming more tests helps and is absolutely needed?
Take this up with macks wife when she's wearing her mask, example one.
 
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How does a small amount of false positives render testing fake news? By the way, those tests were developed and mass produced by a private company in Korea in 3 days at the very beginning. They allowed Korea to get the crisis under control in a relatively short amount of time. Test, track and trace works well there. And Seoul has a higher population density than NYC and use mass transportation regularly. Their daily new cases are single digits for a few weeks now. So this kind of testing has worked very well actually.
No, cleaning their buses and subways, streets etc along with protecting yourself well into its culture did.
Allowing for lesser liberties etc helped as well.
 

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If you don't think millions of people not going back into the work force won't slow the economy, then I don't know what to tell you...
What is the "economy" for the 95% of people who are massively in debt, who can't pay for a $400 dollar emergency expense, who can't afford to cook at home or eat healthy, who can't afford to exercise or spend time with their children. Whose economy are we trying to protect? 500000 people are homeless, millions can't even get healthcare. When a person goes to work at a restaurant for $9 an hour..who are they serving? The next generation aren't buying houses...they aren't accruing wealth, they are saddled with mountains of debt to get the same degree their parents got for cheap or free, the same house their parents bought for 80k now costs 400k. We all know the path of consumption and supporting "America" by spending is unsustainable...sadly 55% of our populace only has a HS degree or less, most are unemployable in skilled jobs. So we have made advanced education unattainable for hundreds of millions of people, indebted those who could attain said education, and our CEOS can keep wages low for an unskilled workforce who has been brainwashed to fight for the master.

PS: Big corporate received 450 billion in handouts, small businesses got broken loans....so is the government(corporate america) really interested in the health of the economy?
 

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Other than NYC, has there been a "crisis level" outbreak in any part of the country?

And NYC happened because two weeks or so prior to their outbreak- people were not social distancing, large crowd events were still going on, and no one wearing masks.

I bet NYC would have been very managable had everyone taken the precautions now in place.

Let's get back to living!! (with precautions)
New york city is more than half way to herd effect. It currently has to slow down, as so many are immune to it, instead of infecting all five people from an infectious person, it now can only infect three.
As time goes on, it'll be two.
When it get under one, it'll be less infectious and less deadly then the flu in the entire population.
If you don't have immunity, it could still get you.
 

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What is the "economy" for the 95% of people who are massively in debt, who can't pay for a $400 dollar emergency expense, who can't afford to cook at home or eat healthy, who can't afford to exercise or spend time with their children. Whose economy are we trying to protect? 500000 people are homeless, millions can't even get healthcare. When a person goes to work at a restaurant for $9 an hour..who are they serving? The next generation aren't buying houses...they aren't accruing wealth, they are saddled with mountains of debt to get the same degree their parents got for cheap or free, the same house their parents bought for 80k now costs 400k. We all know the path of consumption and supporting "America" by spending is unsustainable...sadly 55% of our populace only has a HS degree or less, most are unemployable in skilled jobs. So we have made advanced education unattainable for hundreds of millions of people, indebted those who could attain said education, and our CEOS can keep wages low for an unskilled workforce who has been brainwashed to fight for the master.

PS: Big corporate received 450 billion in handouts, small businesses got broken loans....so is the government(corporate america) really interested in the health of the economy?
No, to your PS
They want to destroy their customer base, it's obvious. Why would huge corporate need such little things as customers? You're being silly suggesting such a thing.
 

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well then if the obese drug addicted ignorant people don't take care of themselves it's their own damned problem. You can't save people who don't want to save themselves.
Someone post a pic of that fat "fan" of every team that people always post so we can see Solana's typical 'Murican.
 

gw2kpro

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What is the "economy" for the 95% of people who are massively in debt, who can't pay for a $400 dollar emergency expense, who can't afford to cook at home or eat healthy, who can't afford to exercise or spend time with their children.

You embody the victim mentality so perfectly it has to be an onion-like parody. I'm not kidding.

It has to be a college research assignment. Post jackasserry 24/7 on a message board, pretend you're serious, log people's reactions. Possibly something like "hold my beer, how much will you give me to post this with a straight face?"

You're now asserting that people are so poor that they can't exercise?

Seriously?
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't S. Korea use a lot of technology to track their citizens such as facial recognition? I just think their form of government and border control gives them a leg up on us in controlling a disease out break. I also suspect that they don't have near the undocumented alien problem that we have. How do you track somebody who may not have a cell phone or know ID? Most of the positive cases in my area have involved immigrant populations who don't exactly use the same hygiene practices we're accustomed to nor do they have living arrangements conducive to preventing spread.
Yeah, there are different challenges here for sure. But we could also have had a better system in place. I've said it before, Korea was ready for this because of their previous MERS experience. They learned as a country from their struggles then and had all these systems already in place years before COVID-19. I don't think there is a big shame for us not being as well prepared this time since it's been quite a while since the last real pandemic here. We were bound to get complacent. We have to learn as we go and be ready for the second wave or the next pandemic, etc etc. There will be more and more as the world gets smaller and smaller.
 

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, it requires millions of physically and mentally healthy people. It is a hard balance...but the imbalance will always be at the very top....
And you think that same imbalance isn't present in the morally superior socialized or communist countries of the world? Good grief. Your utopian world doesn't exist.
 

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Yeah, there are different challenges here for sure. But we could also have had a better system in place. I've said it before, Korea was ready for this because of their previous MERS experience. They learned as a country from their struggles then and had all these systems already in place years before COVID-19. I don't think there is a big shame for us not being as well prepared this time since it's been quite a while since the last real pandemic here. We were bound to get complacent. We have to learn as we go and be ready for the second wave or the next pandemic, etc etc. There will be more and more as the world gets smaller and smaller.
The iniitial f up by Fauci's bureaucrats of the antigen test sure as hell didn't help us. It is also true that the CDC was giving the country bad advice initially. Cuoma and DeBlasio were fools at the start. Any moron with any disease training would have known to shut down the subways immediately and they never have.
 
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The thing with "opening up" is that it allows people who NEED and WANT to be open to provide for their families to now do it. I've said all along. Personal responsibility if very very important. It's WAY more effective in the long run than government edicts.
I agree, but there are many (some on this board even) who won't wear masks or do any kind of responsible social distancing. In fact, they see it as a badge of honor to do the complete opposite. That's what prompts governments to tighten things up in many cases.
 
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The iniitial f up by Fauci's bureaucrats of the antigen test sure as hell didn't help us. It is also true that the CDC was giving the country bad advice initially. Cuoma and DeBlasio were fools at the start. Any moron with any disease training would have known to shut down the subways immediately and they never have.
yeah, the initial screw-ups put us way behind for sure.
 
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