I did earn it, and by the time people reach adulthood in the United States they are exactly where they should be, relative to their effort they put in, and choices made.
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I did earn it, and by the time people reach adulthood in the United States they are exactly where they should be, relative to their effort they put in, and choices made.
Pure gold. Never disappoints.
I don't know a single person who has put an ounce of effort into improving themselves, that makes 8 bucks an hour. Pre-covid shutdown.
I did live around a fair amount of people in Bangor, Maine, who were extraordinarily adept at sitting around on their asses and complaining about everything, and who had achieved a doctorate in figuring out how to stay on public assistance for decades on end. They made far less than $8 an hour -- probably earned less than $8 / year. That's the only place I have ever really run into that.
Who the hell do you hang around with?
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Yesterday was our lowesr number of death in a month.
Everyone says, how can you put money ahead of lives?
Well, we put our chances of death behind us every day.
We drive. We fly. We eat what seems healthy today, but may sicken us tomorrow after studies, eggs are good, eggs are bad, butter bad, butter good, we walk on icy steps,sidewalks.
We place values on our lives every day. Is the chances worth it? Is all those with jobs at home healthy lifestyles?
Opening sooner than it should is but your values, not others. Eating and doing fitness are but your values, not others.
You can't place your values first ahead of those in need.
Nor can or should you be, the person rating needs of others.
This has gone on long enough, the wuhan isn't going away.
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Another key question for any sero-survey is how accurate the test was. Tons of antibody tests have hit the market over the past few weeks, and their accuracy is still being scrutinized. Not all tests have the same degree of accuracy.
Even a test that is very good can give out more false positives than true positives when the prevalence of a disease is very low in a population.
Let’s say you’re running a sero-survey among 1,000 people and only 4% of the population is actually infected. Presume the test correctly identifies positives 100% of the time, meaning it is 100% “sensitive” in scientific parlance.
There are 1,000 people in your sero-survey.
With a 4% infection rate, the test would accurately identify those 40 people who are positive.
But say the test is 95% “specific,” meaning that it returns false positives 5% of the time. Then among the 960 people who are truly negative, 48 people would get a false positive.
You can have more confidence in the signal you’re getting when there’s a higher percentage of the population that’s been infected, as in a situation like New York City, because the number of true positives would drown out a smaller number of false positives, Gelman said. Unfortunately, New York didn’t actually share much information on how accurate its tests were when Gov. Andrew Cuomo first announced the findings of its study on April 23, so the experts I called said they didn’t have much to scrutinize.
In order to achieve herd immunity, scientists say that a community would need to have at least 60% of its population infected. That’s the lowest estimate I’ve been told. Other scientists have told me 80% to 90%. The reason this percentage isn’t precisely known is because it depends on things like exactly how contagious the virus is and also whether people who have been infected are immune forever, or if they lose immunity after a while, which researchers also are furiously working to figure out. None of the studies I’ve seen so far have reported a number anywhere near that high. The highest rate I’ve seen is in Chelsea, Massachusetts, the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak in that state.
On April 23, Cuomo announced preliminary data from the state’s sero-survey, saying that 13.9% of state residents had tested positive for antibodies. In New York City, it was about 21%. The state is continuing to test residents in order to generate an ongoing series of “snapshots” of the levels of infection. Cuomo had updated numbers by April 27 showing huge regional variation.
Kilpatrick, from UC Santa Cruz, said that if the estimates from New York stand up to scrutiny, the infection fatality rate in New York City would be approximately 0.8%.
He told me that is not very surprising, because scientists have been able to get some estimates of infection fatality rates using data from enclosed populations where nearly everyone got tested — on cruise ships. Epidemiologists at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, for example, analyzed data from the Diamond Princess, the ill-fated ship on which more than 700 passengers got infected. Researchers adjusted for the fact that cruise passengers are older than average and estimated the coronavirus’ infection fatality ratio as 0.6%.
The estimates I’ve seen for influenza IFR range from about 0.14% on the upper end to 0.04% on the lower end. So if the IFR for this coronavirus ends up being around 0.5%, that’s still many times worse than the flu.
But that’s not the main problem. At the end of the day, wherever the coronavirus fatality rate ends up, it doesn’t change the fact that we don’t have any immunity to the virus, which is a critical factor in why we’ve had to behave differently in our response to it.
Marc Lipsitch, head of the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health’s Center for Communicable Disease Dynamics, has estimated that ultimately 20% to 60% of the population could be infected with COVID-19. By comparison, because of immunity provided by flu shots and past infections, only about 10% to 20% of the population gets sick with influenza every year, according to Kilpatrick.
Kilpatrick sketched out what this meant: “If it’s five times deadlier than the seasonal flu, and three times as many people are going to get it, that means we’re going to get 15 times as many deaths. And 15 times 30,000, which is the middle-of-the-road kind of a seasonal flu year, that’s 450,000 deaths — about half a million deaths — that’s a pretty big, scary number, I think.”
As antibody tests become more widely available, there’ll naturally be a temptation to start using the tests for ourselves on an individual basis, to determine if we’re immune and can go about our lives, free of the paranoia and fear that have been plaguing us for the past two months.
But it’s too early for that. Besides the issue of potential false positives, scientists haven’t yet figured out exactly what level of protection an individual has after being infected and whether the protection lasts forever (like with chickenpox) or wanes after a while. The World Health Organization issued a scientific brief last week warning that detection of antibodies alone shouldn’t serve as a basis for an “immunity passport” allowing an individual to assume they are totally protected from reinfection.
Yesterday was not the lowest number of deaths in a month.
According to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ there was 2350 deaths, one of the higher numbers.
You are the one trying to link two unconnected thoughts. It's up to you to communicate the context effectively. Still not seeing it.
The US does indeed have the right to place restrictions on its population to protect itself in certain times. Pandemics are one of them. There are avenues available to legally challenge any specific restriction you may feel is unconstitutional though.
You don't know if mack's wife is immune or not. No one does. No one understands how much immunity one gets or how long it even lasts. Most other coronavirus immunities have been temporary and not permanent. More research is needed before anyone can conclude anything.
This is exactly why the data I posted coming out of Taiwan is alarming to me. A person might not actually be recovered from the virus, while it stays in your system and manifests itself over time, in other ways, or remains dormant or seemingly asymptomatic.
To me, this just screams a trap, where people think it's not a big deal, until 6, 7, 8 months down the road the healthy population is going to have problems overcoming, say the regular flu because this virus has been chipping away at their immune system the whole time, with no symptoms.
sheltering in place like the two good Doctors in England and Scotland (The same ones ordering everyone else not to go anywhere while they had affairs,etc) I see....
“This is a surprise: Overwhelmingly, the people were at home,” he added. “We thought maybe they were taking public transportation, and we’ve taken special precautions on public transportation, but actually no, because these people were literally at home.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/06/ny-...eople-staying-home.html?__source=twitter|main
Only things lockdowns do is turn normal tax paying law abiding citizens into instant criminals, destroy economies and business, and add to abuse in the home. Open this effing country up.....yesterday.
NY adds 1700 to death toll. I guess they miscounted. I know I'd heard about that amount less from the total.
This thing changes by the minute.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...deaths-nursing-home-cases-cuomo-a9500086.html
This thing changes by the minute.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...deaths-nursing-home-cases-cuomo-a9500086.html
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Its really hard to believe this is true. If it is, that throws everything we have been told about the viruses transmissability into question.
I'm hoping they're following up just where it could be coming from.
It isn't going away, we know the R0 is high, but this is bizarre.
The only thing I can think of is that this has a much longer incubation period than what we have been told, or that it doesn't thrive inside the body until we stop getting fresh air regularly.
Sigh. This post shows a significant lack of understanding of this virus. Herd immunity would kill in the millions of Americans.
BTW, that may be the dumbest article I've read this year. Congratulations!!
Sooo...Governor Cuomo admitted today that 66% of those now being hospitalized in New York are coming from that uber-safe, virus-free sanctuary of their own home, where they have been told to STAY! Awesome. This gets more infuriating and completely embarrassing, by the day. I have never been more ashamed of the US ruling class and medical/empirical experts. If they would just admit that they don't know Jack, that our hospitals are not going to be overrun, and let us make our own risk assessment, already, that would be a smart move. Now. I won't hold my breath waiting for common sense from the credentialed class.
I'm under the impression virus loading in the air is a bigger factor. That, or you're right, incubation time could be well delayed, that is why the R0 factors so high anyways, people shedding virus with no symptoms for days.
It's like I've tried to say to others, while testing is a good tool to help us, its faulty because of incubation time, and for serology, same thing, no antibodies are found until those serology tests can read a certain amount.
Too many holes for us to stat ahead of this, we are getting closer in known times, but who knows what we're mssing?
I didn't read into the fav posts..... just viewing the lunacy.
Had somebody try to "call the cops" on a cop. That ended well..
Had somebody try to "call the cops" on a cop. That ended well..
I'm willing to bet that this is exactly what those people were dying from back in September and they attributed it to vaping. It probably lays dormant much longer than anybody realizes yet.
By the time football rolls around, we’ll all be virologists. Molecular biology anyone?
As you posted somewhere way above Northwoodhusker, this ain’t going away anytime soon.
Until then, GO BIG RED!
As you posted somewhere way above Northwoodhusker, this ain’t going away anytime soon.
Until then, GO BIG RED!
But, those NY findings are scary. Say you are older with morbidities, have folks helping you out, how the hell is the virus getting at folks at home?
I'm not talking about 20-30-40 year old worry warts, but some folks need a way to survive this.
Well, I do have a morbid sense of humor, 73 and above ground waiting on Coach Frost to get us back.
We ‘ve only had 2 cases in our small town (2,000 people) both in nursing homes. Both over 85 and had Alzheimer’s & suffered pneumonia attacks past Dec the other in Jan. Nothing since.
We ‘ve only had 2 cases in our small town (2,000 people) both in nursing homes. Both over 85 and had Alzheimer’s & suffered pneumonia attacks past Dec the other in Jan. Nothing since.
hahaha. IF they had the skills and intelligence I do they would NOT be making 8$/hour. I still work 50-60 hours a week even though I'm a broken down old arthritic bastard with a 10 year hip replacement who needs the other hip, a knee, an ankle, a cervical fusion and a lower back fusion. You're obviously a smart guy but damn you're foolish. In fact I did earn it. I worked all the way through undergrad and post grad school working >40 hours/week for $3/hour while in a very demanding curriculum. I worked concrete construction between school years in undergrad for $3/hour. I carried a 3.9 in undergrad so I got some decent academic scholarship money after the first semester. I got ZERO federal grant money. I got no financial help from my parents and managed to escape undergrad 250 bucks in debt mainly due to dating my now wife. I did have to borrow about 55K for my post graduate work at about 8% interest....and I paid it all off and didn't expect taxpayers to eat it. I lived very frugally and made it work. ....yeah you're right somebody "GAVE" me my utopia. I started with nothing chump and worked my *** off.
There is virtually no way to stay "safe at home" unless you have a year's supply of food and don't get the mail or packages. The lockdown in public housing in New York and New Jersey was a travesty.
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