OT: COVID-19 news. Out of over 3000 positive tests in prison

[dinglefritz]

What is the "economy" for the 95% of people who are massively in debt, who can't pay for a $400 dollar emergency expense, who can't afford to cook at home or eat healthy, who can't afford to exercise or spend time with their children. Whose economy are we trying to protect? 500000 people are homeless, millions can't even get healthcare. When a person goes to work at a restaurant for $9 an hour..who are they serving? The next generation aren't buying houses...they aren't accruing wealth, they are saddled with mountains of debt to get the same degree their parents got for cheap or free, the same house their parents bought for 80k now costs 400k. We all know the path of consumption and supporting "America" by spending is unsustainable...sadly 55% of our populace only has a HS degree or less, most are unemployable in skilled jobs. So we have made advanced education unattainable for hundreds of millions of people, indebted those who could attain said education, and our CEOS can keep wages low for an unskilled workforce who has been brainwashed to fight for the master.

PS: Big corporate received 450 billion in handouts, small businesses got broken loans....so is the government(corporate america) really interested in the health of the economy?

You're wrong on virtually every point you tried to make in your post.

First all someone has to do to get healthcare is walk in to an ER. There's Medicaid and Medicare. All you have to be is willing enough to sign up.

Second, MOST homeless are in such a state because of bad choices they've made. That's their fault, not our system's.

Third, there are TONS of grants, scholarships etc available for kids to go to college. GOING TO COLLEGE IS NOT A RIGHT! It's an ECONOMIC decision and frankly we've got a lot of people who make really crappy economic decisions in this country. That's their problem, not the taxpayer's. I worked my *** off all through college to pay for what my ACADEMIC scholarships wouldn't pay for. The first day of my post graduate classes, the dean got up in front of us and told us, "IF you're doing this to get rich, you're in the wrong place". Then he proceeded to outline for us "IF you had become a plumbing apprentice right out of high school, your lifetime earnings would be more than you will earn in this profession". That was considering the educational costs and lost earnings during college.

Fourth, getting a college degree is NOT a guaranteed ticket to financial success. Some of the wealthiest people I know started out as blue collar apprentices and eventually started their own companies.

Finally, you want guaranteed outcomes when no matter how much you give some people, they will F it up. In FACT the more you give them often the more they F it up. Let's stick to the COVID-19,

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

Yeah, there are different challenges here for sure. But we could also have had a better system in place. I've said it before, Korea was ready for this because of their previous MERS experience. They learned as a country from their struggles then and had all these systems already in place years before COVID-19. I don't think there is a big shame for us not being as well prepared this time since it's been quite a while since the last real pandemic here. We were bound to get complacent. We have to learn as we go and be ready for the second wave or the next pandemic, etc etc. There will be more and more as the world gets smaller and smaller.

Part true. The other is, the diversity is more rare, these are like highly populated states, much less diversity, much less desired liberties, much less experience with freedom.
They accept things we do not, many of those things helped them here.

 

[Charlie Marlow_rivals363743]

The fake news is so obvious. More testing brought more fake positives while claiming more tests helps and is absolutely needed?
Take this up with macks wife when she's wearing her mask, example one.

Are you a bot that puts random words together in hopes of making a sentence? What does Mack's wife have to do with Korea? They put the virus itself in complete lock-down. No new local cases two days in a row. And they did it all while having less restrictions than we did. And guess what? They are going back to semi-normal today and even had opening day for their baseball league. All fake news! Communism! Gates and vaccines!!

 

[schuele]

Are you a bot that puts random words together in hopes of making a sentence? What does Mack's wife have to do with Korea? They put the virus itself in complete lock-down. No new local cases two days in a row. And they did it all while having less restrictions than we did. And guess what? They are going back to semi-normal today and even had opening day for their baseball league. All fake news! Communism! Gates and vaccines!!

I've only been to South Korea a handful of times, so I don't consider myself an expert by any means. But some of the comments posted here make me absolutely laugh out loud. Reading this board you would think not much has changed since the peninsula was under Japanese rule.

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

Are you a bot that puts random words together in hopes of making a sentence? What does Mack's wife have to do with Korea? They put the virus itself in complete lock-down. No new local cases two days in a row. And they did it all while having less restrictions than we did. And guess what? They are going back to semi-normal today and even had opening day for their baseball league. All fake news! Communism! Gates and vaccines!!

Are you incapable of context?
Having to wear masks is unconstitutional. Macks wife is immune, yet she has to wear a mask

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

Are you a bot that puts random words together in hopes of making a sentence? What does Mack's wife have to do with Korea? They put the virus itself in complete lock-down. No new local cases two days in a row. And they did it all while having less restrictions than we did. And guess what? They are going back to semi-normal today and even had opening day for their baseball league. All fake news! Communism! Gates and vaccines!!

Yet, you forget to mention the most important thing, time.
Then you act like people think like you do, and overreact to differing peoples, differing opinions.

 

[little a]

The iniitial f up by Fauci's bureaucrats of the antigen test sure as hell didn't help us. It is also true that the CDC was giving the country bad advice initially. Cuoma and DeBlasio were fools at the start. Any moron with any disease training would have known to shut down the subways immediately and they never have.

my personal favorite is the NY Health Commisioner telling people INTO MARCH to go out and live life- don’t be afraid of subways...

 

[Crazyhole]

Are you incapable of context?
Having to wear masks is unconstitutional. Macks wife is immune, yet she has to wear a mask

You have gone way overboard here. Where in the constitution does it say the state can't tell me I have to wear a mask?

 

[Tarheelhusker]

Virginia has gotten creative with stats.
The ******** continues.

https://justthenews.com/politics-po...in-double-counting-positive-coronavirus-cases

 

[gw2kpro]

Virginia has gotten creative with stats.
The ******** continues.

https://justthenews.com/politics-po...in-double-counting-positive-coronavirus-cases

I think Ryan from the office did something similar when his website launch didn't go well.

 

[litespeedhuskerfan_rivals19671]

Airbnb just announced they are laying off 25% of their workforce....open this effing country back up already, please.

 

[Hoosker Du]

Testing testing
https://www.foxnews.com/science/rec...d-positive-for-covid-19-likely-not-reinfected
Remember those fake stories of people being reinfected? Fake news, you know why?
Because of testing.
For all you putting your faith in testing, suggest you rea we was à77d my link. After recovery, the tests are worthless, contrary to what some are saying.
The residue of dead virus left in the body trip the tests as being positive, though people are recovered, and are not infectious.
So, no, testing isn't the be all answer. The end all answer, just a small tool
The residue left over in the blood trips the tests, so, what Drs are finding out is, the only way to be sure is to remove blood from a recovered patient, then isolate and try to grow culture from the virus material.

So far, not one recovered,so called reinfected person has been reinfected. The testing is flawed, and Drs observations through symptoms testing is proving to be the right answer, not more testing.

So...those that have recovered from the virus get cultured and those that don't believe they've had it get tested before they go back to work. They can easily access health records. This isn't a roadblock to testing at all.

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

So...those that have recovered from the virus get cultured and those that don't believe they've had it get tested before they go back to work. They can easily access health records. This isn't a roadblock to testing at all.

No, they can't easily access health records. More liberties lost?
I get what you're saying, but I've already heard some won't even take the vaccine.

There is a period where serology wont pick up too, unless it's lab tested .
Its close to simply growing culture time to see if the particles are dead leftovers or viable, as antibody buildup takes time too.
In the interum, people may or may not be infectious.

It'll help, testing, but theres holes in the progress of the disease and wen and how much those tests can do.
It's not a perfect answer.

 

[BigB87]

So...those that have recovered from the virus get cultured and those that don't believe they've had it get tested before they go back to work. They can easily access health records. This isn't a roadblock to testing at all.

Any idea how soon the antibody tests will be widely available? Can't get tested in my area, I'd have to drive several hours to get to the closest places I can find. And I'm not being sarcastic, I genuinely think I was exposed in early April but my son never got tested so we have no idea.

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

Any idea how soon the antibody tests will be widely available? Can't get tested in my area, I'd have to drive several hours to get to the closest places I can find. And I'm not being sarcastic, I genuinely think I was exposed in early April but my son never got tested so we have no idea.

Theres a test you can order, thirty bucks, but it's the finger prick test, not as accurate as blood draw and lab, which is about as good as it gets,but it takes time for the lab, the home test is minutes.

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

Do as I say!!!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...breaking-restrictions-meet-married-lover.html

 

[litespeedhuskerfan_rivals19671]

Do as I say!!!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...breaking-restrictions-meet-married-lover.html

Hey, that is a great reason to break the law, I ain't holding that against nobody.....and reason #541 why this is freaking impossible to expect lockdown to work.

 

[Tarheelhusker]

Professsor you old horn dog!

 

[Tarheelhusker]

That’s my Gov.

 

[litespeedhuskerfan_rivals19671]

That’s my Gov.

Did that actually happen?? That ain't some editing manipulation?

 

[Tarheelhusker]

Did that actually happen?? That ain't some editing manipulation?

yeah, it got through. My ears went straight up!

ps. Google wv Jim justice f bombs. They say it was an audio prob. OK you betcha!

 

[Hoosker Du]

Any idea how soon the antibody tests will be widely available? Can't get tested in my area, I'd have to drive several hours to get to the closest places I can find. And I'm not being sarcastic, I genuinely think I was exposed in early April but my son never got tested so we have no idea.

That's a good question. I think you would be better off calling your local primary care M.D. and check with them. They could refer you to a lab in your area. I don't know how long it takes to develop those titers.

There was an gentleman on here that wrote a very educational message that owned a lab if I remember correctly. He might be able to direct you too. I need to find his message again. I lost track of it and it had some great insights on Covid-19.

 

[Mack In Motion]

That’s my Gov.

The sign language lady didn't miss a beat. That's a professional right there.

 

[Hoosker Du]

No, they can't easily access health records. More liberties lost?
I get what you're saying, but I've already heard some won't even take the vaccine.

There is a period where serology wont pick up too, unless it's lab tested .
Its close to simply growing culture time to see if the particles are dead leftovers or viable, as antibody buildup takes time too.
In the interum, people may or may not be infectious.

It'll help, testing, but theres holes in the progress of the disease and wen and how much those tests can do.
It's not a perfect answer.

The guy that had the virus was obviously tested at one point, so he would have records of his test results. I would guarantee that he can remember almost to the day when he had the virus. All he would need to do is to explain that he had the test done after he had Covid-19, and needed to confirm the test.

The other people obviously need the tests done to confirm that they don't have the virus, so they can go back to work. Neither would be difficult to do.

 

[John_J_Rambo_rivals315142]

The guy that had the virus was obviously tested at one point, so he would have records of his test results. I would guarantee that he can remember almost to the day when he had the virus. All he would need to do is to explain that he had the test done after he had Covid-19, and needed to confirm the test.

The other people obviously need the tests done to confirm that they don't have the virus, so they can go back to work. Neither would be difficult to do.

everyone gets 2 tests, minimum, now?

 

[Charlie Marlow_rivals363743]

Recent Summary on the state of Antibody Studies

 

[dinglefritz]

Recent Summary on the state of Antibody Studies

wth was that? I broke one of my long standing rules and opened a link. I'm expecting a swat team to come rapelling through my windows at any minute..... I thought surely Charlie would only post legitimate links...

 

[Charlie Marlow_rivals363743]

wth was that? I broke one of my long standing rules and opened a link. I'm expecting a swat team to come rapelling through my windows at any minute..... I thought surely Charlie would only post legitimate links...

Weird. I didn’t have anything out of the ordinary. But I have all kinds of ad blockers etc

sorryRollingLaugh

 

[Charlie Marlow_rivals363743]

Yeah, my phone doesn’t see anything bizarre either. I’m surprised because I do try to filter out trash links. I wonder if it’s possible that you have some spamware on your browser? Anyway, it’s just a recap of what serology tests tell us and doesn’t tell us. It’s nothing that you probably haven’t already read before.

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

wth was that? I broke one of my long standing rules and opened a link. I'm expecting a swat team to come rapelling through my windows at any minute..... I thought surely Charlie would only post legitimate links...

If you haven't already, its safe, and a good read
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.27.20081893v1

Also, another great source of various things being discovered and worked on
http://connect.medrxiv.org/relate/content/181

Direct pdf to first link
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.27.20081893v1.full.pdf

 

[leodisflowers]

Testing and tracing isn't going to make the virus go away. It is meant to help quell major hot spots in the US, but we need to start our herd immunity process. You can't be both toeing the line on both a lock down and herd immunity. Need to go one or the other. With that said, our leaders at all levels need to provide some information and quit beating around the bush. If a therapeutic or a vaccine are still not close we should be working towards herd immunity as that is what a vaccine is anyway. All opinion of course. Here is a great article about how politics is starting to shape this virus.

https://heterodoxacademy.org/social-science-liberals-conservatives-covid-19/

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

Testing and tracing isn't going to make the virus go away. It is meant to help quell major hot spots in the US, but we need to start our herd immunity process. You can't be both toeing the line on both a lock down and herd immunity. Need to go one or the other. With that said, our leaders at all levels need to provide some information and quit beating around the bush. If a therapeutic or a vaccine are still not close we should be working towards herd immunity as that is what a vaccine is anyway. All opinion of course. Here is a great article about how politics is starting to shape this virus.

https://heterodoxacademy.org/social-science-liberals-conservatives-covid-19/

Here's the dilemma. We all read the stories of those Italian Drs having to decide who got treatment and who didn't.
Now certainly, we can assume if every infected person had gotten best treatment and cares it would have saved lives.
But that's the only difference we can make,period. We can't hide it out and outlast this.

So,back to the dilemma. In our nursing homes,it is thought as many or more,depending on demographics of area,state or whatever,that 40% to 30% to 25% of deaths are happening in those nursing homes.

States have been holding much of the information back from the public on these numbers, so it could be slightly better or much worse.
But, the dilemma isn't ended by knowing, nor will the wuhan stop if we do our best.

So, wuhan humbles us, as we find we can scarcely save few over those overrun hospitals we dreaded.
No one is undervaluing the threat this wuhan monster brings, only our reactions to what we know,whether its hunker down at all costs or ignore it,go for herd numbers.

We can't beat this thing the way we want to,not now,not for awhile, and if there's people out there that still cling to the WHO, according to them, likely never,as they don't see a vaccine ever working.

So, each one of us has a hard decision to make, to get on with our lives, do the best we can for personal cares, help those who are the weakest amongst us,to buy them time, and get on with our lives before this wuhan monster landed in our nursing homes, our workplaces, our hospitals, and our homes.

 

[leodisflowers]

I think if you see school's go back in session then herd immunity is on. There is no social distancing with children. No chance in hell.

 

[Mack In Motion]

I think if you see school's go back in session then herd immunity is on. There is no social distancing with children. No chance in hell.

DeWine in Ohio floated a test balloon this week, 2 days in school / week next year for all kids, 3 days of online learning. Schools would only be 1/2 full, 4 days a week.

Don't know how that's going to square with child care.

 

[Crazyhole]

DeWine in Ohio floated a test balloon this week, 2 days in school week next year for all kids, 3 days of online learning. Schools would only be 1/2 full, 4 days a week.

Don't know how that's going to square with child care.

Which 2 days are the least likely to contract covid-19?

 

[Mack In Motion]

Here's the dilemma. We all read the stories of those Italian Drs having to decide who got treatment and who didn't.
Now certainly, we can assume if every infected person had gotten best treatment and cares it would have saved lives.
But that's the only difference we can make,period. We can't hide it out and outlast this.

So,back to the dilemma. In our nursing homes,it is thought as many or more,depending on demographics of area,state or whatever,that 40% to 30% to 25% of deaths are happening in those nursing homes.

States have been holding much of the information back from the public on these numbers, so it could be slightly better or much worse.
But, the dilemma isn't ended by knowing, nor will the wuhan stop if we do our best.

So, wuhan humbles us, as we find we can scarcely save few over those overrun hospitals we dreaded.
No one is undervaluing the threat this wuhan monster brings, only our reactions to what we know,whether its hunker down at all costs or ignore it,go for herd numbers.

We can't beat this thing the way we want to,not now,not for awhile, and if there's people out there that still cling to the WHO, according to them, likely never,as they don't see a vaccine ever working.

So, each one of us has a hard decision to make, to get on with our lives, do the best we can for personal cares, help those who are the weakest amongst us,to buy them time, and get on with our lives before this wuhan monster landed in our nursing homes, our workplaces, our hospitals, and our homes.

Funny how things change in short amounts of time.

I got my chicken pox "immunity" before there was a vaccine. When I was 9, my mom sent me and my little brother (7) over to my friends' house -- who had chicken pox -- in order to "play" and "cheer him up".

Didn't know it at the time, but the real reason we were sent over there that day was threefold:

1) to catch chicken pox
2) so that my brother and I could catch it at the same time, and thus be treated by my Mom all at once
3) it was summertime so the timing was perfect and we weren't missing school.

Worked like a champ. And I know there were a ton of other kids that had the exact same thing happen. Can still smell the calamine lotion.

Can you fathom that happening today? It probably makes me a boomer or a snowflake, not sure which.

 

[Mack In Motion]

Which 2 days are the least likely to contract covid-19?

Not sure but those tickets will sell out fast.

 

[Solana Beach Husker]

well then if the obese drug addicted ignorant people don't take care of themselves it's their own damned problem. You can't save people who don't want to save themselves.

I agree but I feel bad for service professionals who are exposed to the public...you know stupid people still shop, go to restaurants, school, hospitals...and we know that goggles and N95 masks are really required to have max protection. Everything is going to open earlier than it should...and every outbreak starts with a person who is ignorant and careless but the thousands who die after have to pay the price.

 

[litespeedhuskerfan_rivals19671]

Funny how things change in short amounts of time.

I got my chicken pox "immunity" before there was a vaccine. When I was 9, my mom sent me and my little brother (7) over to my friends' house -- who had chicken pox -- in order to "play" and "cheer him up".

Didn't know it at the time, but the real reason we were sent over there that day was threefold:

1) to catch chicken pox
2) so that my brother and I could catch it at the same time, and thus be treated by my Mom all at once
3) it was summertime so the timing was perfect and we weren't missing school.

Worked like a champ. And I know there were a ton of other kids that had the exact same thing happen. Can still smell the calamine lotion.

Can you fathom that happening today? It probably makes me a boomer or a snowflake, not sure which.

Don't forget a little shot of alcohol in your bottle when you're teething....works like a champ.

 

[Solana Beach Husker]

And you think that same imbalance isn't present in the morally superior socialized or communist countries of the world? Good grief. Your utopian world doesn't exist.

I find it interesting that the people who have had a utopia built for them are the ones who state that others shouldn't get a utopia. Let me get my 1st world experience while acknowledging it should only be available to people "like" me. And don't start with the "I earned it" crap. There are plenty of people in our own country who have skills equal to yours, provide services greater than you, and make $8 an hour.