OT: COVID-19 news. Out of over 3000 positive tests in prison
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Do you think we should just all stay home and have the government write us a check for 6 months? Serious question.
That is certainly a bad option, but should be an option. We need to let the evidence drive the policy here, and the evidence uniformly suggests that we need more social distancing, since we didn't do it uniformly as a country (which would have allowed us to get over this in weeks). It probably doesn't need to be for 6 months, but it needs to be for longer than this, and we also do need to do economic stimulus and stabilization measures.
Remember essential services were still open, and relatively protected because many areas kept their virus loads low...what happens to essential services when there is a major outbreak because non-essential activities opened? Do you really think highly intelligent leaders shut down their cities jus' to show they can? The bane of all civilizations is the critical mass of the stupid whose decisions rule for all. In a pandemic you are only as safe as the dumbest person next to you.
surely you can make a more coherent argument than that.
kids aren't going to school
start with at least acknowledging that.
kids aren't going to school
start with at least acknowledging that.
Point me to the science that says non-essential activites will lead to a major outbreak. Use data, not feelings or intuition. Leaders got scared. For the most part, they still are. They sure as hell aren't using science to continue the lockdowns.
You are puzzled by idiotic behavior on a free board for a central plains football team? I think this whole experience exposes the ignorance and unexceptional nature of our society. 25% of the world's resources goes to 3% of the world's population...that population is one of the fattest and worst educated...arrogant and ignorant. Apathetic but motivated to stay stupid. And the funny thing...it has always been this way..we have always been viewed as yokels, yankees, gansters. It will be recorded that the response to gravest challenge in recent American history, was the great reopening of America on the same day that the DAILY death toll reached levels that China experienced over 80 days. Don't forget we were the last "western" nation to abolish slavery, we were the last western nation to let its citizens vote freely, we were the last western nation to pass laws that dictate all americans are educated equally. We are the most violent western nation, with extreme suicide and overdose rates. I think our expectations of our exceptionalism have been painted by lies and insulated by random and fortunate geographic and extrinsic wealth. I am patriotic at heart...I wanted America to handle this crisis better than any other nation...I wanted us to be a shining light, a counter to the dictatorship in China. Sadly, the opposite has happened. I
I once had a girlfriend who liked to have sex before we went out for the evening.
But then one night I showed up at her house a little early and the whole thing went horribly wrong!
The flu is not tracked consistently but the last time it was documented they "counted" 5k-25k deaths...but...the CDC uses mortality tracking which is probably the best way to measure the effect of a virus. You set a baseline of deaths due to all causes for particular date and then measure the % above normal.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
Excess deaths is the best measuring tool. America see between 25-40% excess death rates right now compared to a normal spring. The sad thing is...we were probably on the bottom side of the curve when we reopened and only needs another month or so...June 1st is what the models predicted for a good opening time. But Murica is gonna Murica....
As much as reopening has been made a political maneuver it does make sense it places like Nebraska who have ZERO excess deaths. New York had peak of 600% mortality...that is worse than the Spanish Flu. Nebraska has no excess deaths. In fact the shutdown has saved lives according to the data but..who knows with reporting. Hopefully everywhere doesn't see what New York saw throughout the next year. Nebraska saw 400% mortality increases during the spanish flu.
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Jesus H Key-rist. I like there to be a balance on this board. But you are full of it. You get on your skyscraper of a soap box about EVERYTHING. Unless you are captain Greenpeace that doesnt drink, doesnt smoke, is in perfect health because he consumes NOTHING that has ever been considered bad, donates most of his wealth to 3rd world peoples while living in an off-grid shack......... Shut up already. We F-ing GET IT!! People are in general irrational stupid creatures. But damn say something constructive. You sound like a wife during that time of the month just ranting and pissing and moaning about everything yet not saying anything really.
Most people are frustrated. Most don't know what to do. Those that act like they KNOW for sure? Full of it. Both sides.
So, you can see why old soviets said 'the future we know,it's the past that keeps changing"
Heres the problem, by the time peer review happens,thousands of people have died, become infected or become immune. Too late. Same for governor actions, most states attorneys and judges will back the governor, and aren't as based in the constitution as the feds are. So, then you lose and have to run it up to federal court, by this time, things have changed.
It's why Barr has told people to keep an eye out for constitutional breaches, because they will be sued in federal court later.
But even so, in the meantime, some frivolous 'rules' are controlling a state. Constitutional or not.
We are finding out, many of our governors are ignorant towards their people, and the thing they've sworn to uphold, the constitution.
Also, most state constitutions allow for only 30 days emergency anyways, extensions are already being handed out. The feds emergency end April 30th, the states have better have a plan, they have one month.
I hear ya- I’m lucky in that I can stay inside for long time.... BUT what you need to understand is A LOT of people have lost their jobs and have no savings or means to pay bills, AND they feel fine. And when “experts” say “25-50 asymptomatic”- that doesn’t foster confidence in their analysis, big margin of error there.
It actually is hope. Hope for those that are,they can get back to work. Hope for business owners they can operate safely and not have tradgedy happen in the work place. Hope for all of us by gaining some form of herd effect, not perfecr, but lowering your chances of getting it,especially if a business you buy from has immune people working there, just some potential threats out of the way.
You are somewhat correct. I tell people when I walk in to a business that the mask I'm wearing is to protect them more than me. A lot of the places I do business with take affront to mask wearing but when I tell them that they seem fine with it. Yeah I kind of live in the wild wild west where outlaws where masks. Obviously I fib a little bit when I say that but it is appropriate to have some consideration for other's safety. Today I walked in to a small shop where 3 guys were sitting around BSing and the book keeper who is a recent breast cancer survivor was working 10 feet away. She's a bright lady. No masks anywhere. Their choice. They know the risks. Personally I was glad I had one on just to at least hope that I wouldn't give the book keeper something.
Details on the German study
https://www.ukbonn.de/C12582D3002FD...on_fatality_rate_of_SARS_CoV_2_infection2.pdf
https://www.ukbonn.de/C12582D3002FD...on_fatality_rate_of_SARS_CoV_2_infection2.pdf
So which of these ignorant governors are outside the boundaries established here:
Opening Up America Again
I've never claimed to know how much of the economy should have been shut down, or the pace at which it should be reopened. But there's a lot of partisan squealing being directed at selected governors who seem to be following this guidance.
The idea that the number of COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. are being under counted is ridiculous. I agree that people should probably wear masks when going in to stores where true social distancing isn't possible. Anybody threatening another person over wearing a mask is a complete idiot. I wear a goofy dust mask which really doesn't prevent aerosols but at least I won't suck in a large infected droplet if someone coughs. Your largest risk is breathing in a large does of virus via droplets. The risk from picking up the virus from surfaces is very low unless you lick them or get your hand in some virus then pick your nose. (what they really meant when they said don't touch your face was don't pick your noseWinking)
Any actions picks winners and losers in business.
As a consumer, any action distorts or prevents liberties.
Very little of this is constitutional, stay in your house, wearing masks etc, regardless which way you fall politically.
It's by the peoples grace for the sake of the people. When that line is crossed is when you start seeing decention.
By that definition, of which politicians are supposedly experts at, thats the true framework.
So I'll ask again: which governors are dragging their feet and defying the White House guidelines?
I'll answer again, any governor breaking the constitution without the peoples grace.
So the White House guidelines are promoting this unconstitutional behavior? If so, perhaps AG Barr could save himself a lot of trouble by taking up his grievances with the WH task force.
The White House guidelines are not mandates - they're guidelines. But you're blathering on and on and on about ignorant, tyrannical governors imposing unconstitutional restrictions, yet you cannot seem to muster any outrage whatsoever about the guidelines these governors are following. How convenient.
No, you're blathering on not understanding what's being said. Can't help you there.
I could repeat what I've already said, but you didn't get it the first two times.
Well arresting somebody for paddle boarding by themselves out in the middle of a lake is kind of suspect IMO. Issuing $500 tickets to a couple out for a walk because they weren't social distancing seems a little harsh. Is it unconstitutional? Hell who knows anymore what is constitutional.
You will get arrested in some states if you are out paddleboarding, in a park, etc. That's until they find out you are an illegal alien. Then you would be released. If you're a citizen, you are in big trouble.
That's because you're failing miserably to explain why you're criticizing governors for following guidelines posted on a White House website.
I'm criticizing all restrictions. There's no evidence they work and of course, they are wildly unconstitutional.
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