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dinglefritz said:
hahaha. IF they had the skills and intelligence I do they would NOT be making 8$/hour. I still work 50-60 hours a week even though I'm a broken down old arthritic bastard with a 10 year hip replacement who needs the other hip, a knee, an ankle, a cervical fusion and a lower back fusion. You're obviously a smart guy but damn you're foolish. In fact I did earn it. I worked all the way through undergrad and post grad school working >40 hours/week for $3/hour while in a very demanding curriculum. I worked concrete construction between school years in undergrad for $3/hour. I carried a 3.9 in undergrad so I got some decent academic scholarship money after the first semester. I got ZERO federal grant money. I got no financial help from my parents and managed to escape undergrad 250 bucks in debt mainly due to dating my now wife. I did have to borrow about 55K for my post graduate work at about 8% interest....and I paid it all off and didn't expect taxpayers to eat it. I lived very frugally and made it work. ....yeah you're right somebody "GAVE" me my utopia. I started with nothing chump and worked my *** off.
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When did you go to school? The amount of federal and state subsidies has dropped dramatically. Since 1969 the average degree cost has risen 340% after adjusting for inflation.

If you were early 80’s your $3 a hour job, adjusting for inflation would be the equivalent of around $10-11 an hour today, your average tuition and fees would have been around $1000-1500 a year, or $4-5K adjusting for inflation.

Compare today if you make $10-11 an hour, your tuition and fees runs $11k.

Using inflation adjusted numbers, 40 hours a week, full work year.

College in early 80’s, cost $5K, salary $20-$22K.

College today, cost $11K, salary $20-22K.

This doesn’t even begin to address housing, food and other things it takes to live.

You can talk personal responsibility and all you want, the truth is you had the benefit of a lower cost education because colleges were funded better by taxpayers. Americans were willing to invest in future generations and genuinely tried to leave each generation better off than the prior one. I don’t see that mentality anymore. I just hear the tired old excuse of I did it, so why can’t others?
 
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dinglefritz said:
There is virtually no way to stay "safe at home" unless you have a year's supply of food and don't get the mail or packages. The lockdown in public housing in New York and New Jersey was a travesty.
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And the mandate that forced Nursing Homes to take infected people into their population. It makes me think they never wanted to protect the most vulnerable population from the get go.




"In this case, he “knows” something that’s simply not true, according to nursing home executives. The March 25 order that forced infected patients on them allows for no exceptions and has not been changed.

The killer fifth paragraph still reads: “No resident shall be denied re-admission or admission to the NH solely based on a confirmed or suspected diagnosis of COVID-19. NHs are prohibited from requiring a hospitalized resident who is determined medically stable to be tested for COVID-19 prior to admission or readmission.”"

"To them, the March 25 order was a death sentence. Some facilities say they had no deaths or even positive patients before that date, but many of both since, including among staff members."

https://nypost.com/2020/05/05/this-nursing-home-disaster-is-on-you-gov-cuomo-goodwin/
 
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When did you go to school? The amount of federal and state subsidies has dropped dramatically. Since 1969 the average degree cost has risen 340% after adjusting for inflation.

If you were early 80’s your $3 a hour job, adjusting for inflation would be the equivalent of around $10-11 an hour today, your average tuition and fees would have been around $1000-1500 a year, or $4-5K adjusting for inflation.

Compare today if you make $10-11 an hour, your tuition and fees runs $11k.

Using inflation adjusted numbers, 40 hours a week, full work year.

College in early 80’s, cost $5K, salary $20-$22K.

College today, cost $11K, salary $20-22K.

This doesn’t even begin to address housing, food and other things it takes to live.

You can talk personal responsibility and all you want, the truth is you had the benefit of a lower cost education because colleges were funded better by taxpayers. Americans were willing to invest in future generations and genuinely tried to leave each generation better off than the prior one. I don’t see that mentality anymore. I just hear the tired old excuse of I did it, so why can’t others?
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why does school cost so much today? and why does nobody talk about the insane money-grubbing that has become academia?

the cost of a degree has skyrocketed while the worth of a degree has, at best, stayed the same over the past 2 decades.

I think the willingness to invest in future generations is still alive and well. that money, probably rightly so, just isn't going to colleges anymore.
 
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jmliehr said:
When did you go to school? The amount of federal and state subsidies has dropped dramatically. Since 1969 the average degree cost has risen 340% after adjusting for inflation.

If you were early 80’s your $3 a hour job, adjusting for inflation would be the equivalent of around $10-11 an hour today, your average tuition and fees would have been around $1000-1500 a year, or $4-5K adjusting for inflation.

Compare today if you make $10-11 an hour, your tuition and fees runs $11k.

Using inflation adjusted numbers, 40 hours a week, full work year.

College in early 80’s, cost $5K, salary $20-$22K.

College today, cost $11K, salary $20-22K.

This doesn’t even begin to address housing, food and other things it takes to live.

You can talk personal responsibility and all you want, the truth is you had the benefit of a lower cost education because colleges were funded better by taxpayers. Americans were willing to invest in future generations and genuinely tried to leave each generation better off than the prior one. I don’t see that mentality anymore. I just hear the tired old excuse of I did it, so why can’t others?
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Not true. Because colleges have risen their costs doesn't put a requirement the government to have to match those costs.
I would suggest you look at pay of professors vs the rest of us vs inflation rate.
They've done quite well.
So has school admins etc.
 
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John_J_Rambo said:
why does school cost so much today? and why does nobody talk about the insane money-grubbing that has become academia?

the cost of a degree has skyrocketed while the worth of a degree has, at best, stayed the same over the past 2 decades.

I think the willingness to invest in future generations is still alive and well. that money, probably rightly so, just isn't going to colleges anymore.
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See my post above. Arguing capitalism for profs at schools is an oxymoron, but rest assured, someone will defend it.
 
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John_J_Rambo said:
why does school cost so much today? and why does nobody talk about the insane money-grubbing that has become academia?
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The senior liaison to the executive assistant to the deputy vice chancellor for student affairs says you don't know what you're talking about.
 
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John_J_Rambo said:
why does school cost so much today? and why does nobody talk about the insane money-grubbing that has become academia?
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Government "taking over" student loans and making it easy for anyone and everyone to get a student loan. And now it is a "crisis". Same thing happened with home loans.
 
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Government "taking over" student loans and making it easy for anyone and everyone to get a student loan. And now it is a "crisis". Same thing happened with home loans.
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government giving 'free' money to anyone, for any reason, results in a crisis, either personal or systemic, 100% of the time.

welfare mongering is perhaps the most disgusting and inhumane practice in the history of the US.

tying back to covid, and I've said this before, I would be very interested to see mortality rates of those who rely on the gov't for day-to-day needs. I strongly suspect the very people who claim, each and every election cycle, to care most for others are the ones with the most blood on their hands.

it's sadistic.
 
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John_J_Rambo said:
why does school cost so much today? and why does nobody talk about the insane money-grubbing that has become academia?

the cost of a degree has skyrocketed while the worth of a degree has, at best, stayed the same over the past 2 decades.

I think the willingness to invest in future generations is still alive and well. that money, probably rightly so, just isn't going to colleges anymore.
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That’s complicated, it’s a combination of a ton of things. Funding per student has gone down, for sure. Cost of healthcare and benefits for employees, like every industry have outpaced inflation significantly. The proliferation of non-academic investments hasn’t helped such as recreational facilities and investment in athletics in general, while a handful of schools are self supporting, the majority are heavily subsidized through general funds or specific athletic fees.
 
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Check pay to school staff vs inflation.
Then check other vocations vs inflation. Or, just average pay vs inflation, then see if schools employees are the same
 
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NorthwoodHusker said:
Not true. Because colleges have risen their costs doesn't put a requirement the government to have to match those costs.
I would suggest you look at pay of professors vs the rest of us vs inflation rate.
They've done quite well.
So has school admins etc.
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I'm a professor at a B1G school with a 70% research, 30% teaching appointment. My research program has brought in millions of dollars (most of that from private industry, foundations, and corporations) more than the cumulative salary that I have received from the university over the years. I do not get paid by the university from mid-May through mid-August, yet I work more than full time during those months to advance my research and teaching. Most professors at my school do the same. You're barking up the wrong tree.
 
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jrhuskerdad said:
I'm a professor at a B1G school with a 70% research, 30% teaching appointment. My research program has brought in millions of dollars (most of that from private industry, foundations, and corporations) more than the cumulative salary that I have received from the university over the years. I do not get paid by the university from mid-May through mid-August, yet I work more than full time during those months to advance my research and teaching. Most professors at my school do the same. You're barking up the wrong tree.
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Ok, and one football player playing on sundays brings in millions.
https://www1.salary.com/College-Professor-Salary.html
Understand, as wages have maintained or outpaced inflation vs contributions from governments pace, they are not the same, nor is the average salary in the US, thus the disparity in government helps in college ed over time.
 
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NorthwoodHusker said:
Hey, if you can get more money, nothing wrong with that. Go get it.

Anyways, sorry for the OT
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To be clear, those millions of dollars my research program has brought in have not gone in my pocket. That money supports the research, pays the salaries of the people working for me, and goes to overhead costs that help to keep the university operational.
 
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164 total people in the state hospitalized right now. Just a reminder that we have 1.95 million people in the state. Works out to 0.0084%
 
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jrhuskerdad said:
To be clear, those millions of dollars my research program has brought in have not gone in my pocket. That money supports the research, pays the salaries of the people working for me, and goes to overhead costs that help to keep the university operational.
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I understand that, and the millions a nfler brings in, he brings to his team. He does make the big bucks too, but wasn't what I meant.
 
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jmliehr said:
When did you go to school? The amount of federal and state subsidies has dropped dramatically. Since 1969 the average degree cost has risen 340% after adjusting for inflation.

If you were early 80’s your $3 a hour job, adjusting for inflation would be the equivalent of around $10-11 an hour today, your average tuition and fees would have been around $1000-1500 a year, or $4-5K adjusting for inflation.

Compare today if you make $10-11 an hour, your tuition and fees runs $11k.

Using inflation adjusted numbers, 40 hours a week, full work year.

College in early 80’s, cost $5K, salary $20-$22K.

College today, cost $11K, salary $20-22K.

This doesn’t even begin to address housing, food and other things it takes to live.

You can talk personal responsibility and all you want, the truth is you had the benefit of a lower cost education because colleges were funded better by taxpayers. Americans were willing to invest in future generations and genuinely tried to leave each generation better off than the prior one. I don’t see that mentality anymore. I just hear the tired old excuse of I did it, so why can’t others?
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finished in 1983. Tuition costs had already gone up a lot by the time I finished post graduate school. I don't know if you've hired any kids lately, but I pay 13 year olds $10/hour to do things like cut small cedar trees and pick rocks. If you're 15 and can drive you normally get at least $13. The increased cost today wouldn't matter to me one way or another. I would work it off. I have a kid in college. IF you apply yourself, there's a TON of money available for state school. She could have gone to Nebraska for free as an out of state student. My oldest made money from scholarships while attending NU. Granted he inherited his pop's frugality gene AND he got a fellowship one summer at Purdue and then internships his other summers. That was just a few years ago.

BTW,. I did it. So why can't others? The answer is they can. It isn't a tired old excuse. The flip side of it is, going to college is NOT a right. IF you want to do it you need to be willing to sacrifice and work your *** off. IF not, then get a job. It's pretty damned simple. I had the benefit of going back and taking some undergraduate classes for fun a few years back. I would venture that at least a quarter of the people in a monetary and fiscal analysis class I took had no business being in college. They couldn't show up for class regularly and then slept through half of them when they did. Yeah, I think taxpayers should pay for every knucklehead that wants to go to college to waste 4-5 years of their life.:rolleyes:
 
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John_J_Rambo said:
why does school cost so much today? and why does nobody talk about the insane money-grubbing that has become academia?

the cost of a degree has skyrocketed while the worth of a degree has, at best, stayed the same over the past 2 decades.

I think the willingness to invest in future generations is still alive and well. that money, probably rightly so, just isn't going to colleges anymore.
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Some of the kids I know who have recently gone to tech schools are doing better than their cohorts who have attended state universities. After 2 years they're getting technical jobs starting with packages around $60K/year. On top of that, many of the employers are willing to reimburse some of the school expense if they stay for a specified time.
 
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jmliehr said:
That’s complicated, it’s a combination of a ton of things. Funding per student has gone down, for sure. Cost of healthcare and benefits for employees, like every industry have outpaced inflation significantly. The proliferation of non-academic investments hasn’t helped such as recreational facilities and investment in athletics in general, while a handful of schools are self supporting, the majority are heavily subsidized through general funds or specific athletic fees.
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there is no question that employee compensation and INSURANCE is a large part of the escalation of college costs. I don't know the answer to this question, but how much does all of the new brick and mortar intended to attract students contribute to the cost? Good heavens the dorms we're building now are a far cry from the slums we lived in when I was in Lincoln. I lived one semester in the basement of a 2 bedroom house where I woke up in the morning with sand in my hair and bed from the floorboards above my bunk.

The nature of a bureaucrat is to always try to maximize their prestige by increasing their budget and in a college's case their facilities. I'm not sure that there is a whole lot of cost benefit analysis that goes in to building college structures these days. It looks like a whole bunch of "we want it and we need it to compete with Podunk U so we're going to build it". It's kind of like the cold war where it was a race to see who went bankrupt first building weapons.:oops:
 
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dinglefritz said:
finished in 1983. Tuition costs had already gone up a lot by the time I finished post graduate school. I don't know if you've hired any kids lately, but I pay 13 year olds $10/hour to do thinks like cut small cedar trees and pick rocks. If you're 15 and can drive you normally get at least $13. The increased cost today wouldn't matter to me one way or another. I would work it off. I have a kid in college. IF you apply yourself, there's a TON of money available for state school. She could have gone to Nebraska for free as an out of state student. My oldest made money from scholarships while attending NU. Granted he inherited his pop's frugality gene AND he got a fellowship one summer at Purdue and then internships his other summers. That was just a few years ago.

BTW,. I did it. So why can't others? The answer is they can. It isn't a tired old excuse. The flip side of it is, going to college is NOT a right. IF you want to do it you need to be willing to sacrifice and work your *** off. IF not, then get a job. It's pretty damned simple. I had the benefit of going back and taking some undergraduate classes for fun a few years back. I would venture that at least a quarter of the people in a monetary and fiscal analysis class I took had no business being in college. They couldn't show up for class regularly and then slept through half of them when they did. Yeah, I think taxpayers should pay for every knucklehead that wants to go to college to waste 4-5 years of their life.:rolleyes:
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Apprenticeship to business owner isn't a right either. Foolishness to apply it to education.
The business owner who hires the apprentice doesn't do so for free.
Training comes at a price
 
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cubsker said:
164 total people in the state hospitalized right now. Just a reminder that we have 1.95 million people in the state. Works out to 0.0084%
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In my area, we've only been testing sick people who have a reason to suspect that they had contact with a COVID-19 positive person. Of that group that test positive, less than 10% were hospitalized. Of that 10%, everybody has been returning home within a week without intubation as far as I know. It's a small sample size that will go up as we ramp up testing. That said, the number of asymptomatic cases is going to go through the roof.

I expect that as we open restaurants back up there will be a rise in positive cases and probably hospitalizations. Moral of the story, IF you're in a high risk group, eat at home and don't go hang out at the bar.
 
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Mack In Motion said:
Interesting article on mask wearing. Small sample size, but have not seen many other studies performed on masks vs. this corona virus.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/ar...-sars-cov-2#More-virus-on-outer-mask-surfaces
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Masks don’t stop it, but do they reduce the distance the virus travels? If a mask reduces the spread by 10-20% that is meaningful. If I wear a mask, and you wear a mask and it reduces our combined exposure risk by 30-40% then that may be worth it.

That’s the data that would be valuable in my opinion, I don’t think anyone thinks it makes the risk 0, but let’s work on quantifiable risk reduction.
 
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jmliehr said:
Masks don’t stop it, but do they reduce the distance the virus travels? If a mask reduces the spread by 10-20% that is meaningful. If I wear a mask, and you wear a mask and it reduces our combined exposure risk by 30-40% then that may be worth it.

That’s the data that would be valuable in my opinion, I don’t think anyone thinks it makes the risk 0, but let’s work on quantifiable risk reduction.
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Similar to partial herd effect, like nyc currently. Roll of the dice, always better to up your odds.
 
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dinglefritz said:
hahaha. IF they had the skills and intelligence I do they would NOT be making 8$/hour. I still work 50-60 hours a week even though I'm a broken down old arthritic bastard with a 10 year hip replacement who needs the other hip, a knee, an ankle, a cervical fusion and a lower back fusion. You're obviously a smart guy but damn you're foolish. In fact I did earn it. I worked all the way through undergrad and post grad school working >40 hours/week for $3/hour while in a very demanding curriculum. I worked concrete construction between school years in undergrad for $3/hour. I carried a 3.9 in undergrad so I got some decent academic scholarship money after the first semester. I got ZERO federal grant money. I got no financial help from my parents and managed to escape undergrad 250 bucks in debt mainly due to dating my now wife. I did have to borrow about 55K for my post graduate work at about 8% interest....and I paid it all off and didn't expect taxpayers to eat it. I lived very frugally and made it work. ....yeah you're right somebody "GAVE" me my utopia. I started with nothing chump and worked my *** off.
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It is so sad that you were orphaned from a young age and didn't grow up with parents, that your grandparents were incarcerated multiple times for crimes they didn't commit, and the neighborhood you grew up in offered such opportunities as drug dealing and selling tamales on the street. But despite all of this you walked up to a college and started attending classes without being accepted, but you worked so hard that they let you earn a doctorate, but it saddled you with so much debt that you could pay it off with a $3 an hour job, and then they forced you to live in the mountains, in a large house, with a successful wife and family.

I have a similar story to yours, but I attribute my success to the fact that working hard actually equated to relative wealth, which is an artifact of the system and the benefits that I reap because my skin color, sex, family status, starting wealth, birth place. I don't even have half the skill in anything of the guy putting up the roof by himself next door, the guy who works 14 straight hours, brings his lunch, and eats while working...so that he can make maybe $7 an hour, and his overweight and stupid white manager can check in every two days to "make sure everything is ok." That is system. That is disgusting. Ironically we are going to feel it in about two weeks when there is a shortage of fruits and vegetables at the local store. White people don't even have the skill or work ethic of migrant workers who will do it for a tithe of the cost. Not my opinion, objective fact.
 
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Solana Beach Husker said:
The average boomer will get 200k more from the government than they paid in, the result of pensions, student aid, social security, and medicaid. If all handouts stay the same(unlikely) the current age group from 20-35 will only make 15k more than they paid in. This is almost predominantly due to belonging to a huge cohort of people who have massive political clout. Of course, being a generation with educational advantages also means self-advocacy is stronger, financial literacy is increased, and overall the generation has done a great job of taking advantage of their advantages. The fact that our only "viable" candidates for the presidency are looking to all be octogenarians just speaks to this truth.
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Personally, I think it's shoe color. Or, tomato or tamato,or is that potato or potato?

Lets play victim, find a culprit.
You first.
 
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NorthwoodHusker said:
Personally, I think it's shoe color. Or, tomato or tamato,or is that potato or potato?

Lets play victim, find a culprit.
You first.
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I'll go first.

Whitey.

Oops, too late, that one was already taken.

Ummm............ food deserts. If that was also already taken, I'm going with Bill Cosby.
 
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NorthwoodHusker said:
No, it encapsulates the article. The church was commanded to turn over names, thats not freedom here.
Not doing so freely, turning the names over, costs lives potentially.
However, having no herd immunity isn't the best thing either.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.25.20043679v1
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That group was willfully subverting Korea's pandemic strategy. They were deliberately submitting incomplete records and lying to health officials about their travel, contacts, health conditions, etc etc. They were a public menace. They were the direct cause of thousands of infections and they were not even a real church by the way.
Freedom without any restrictions is something that exists nowhere. A country can take all sorts of measures to protect the public health. The US has almost 200 years of case history to back that up. It's not dissimilar to their ability to enact a draft in times of war (or really any time for that matter) The security of the State gets priority. Good luck finding a country that disagrees.
 
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That group was willfully subverting Korea's pandemic strategy. They were deliberately submitting incomplete records and lying to health officials about their travel, contacts, health conditions, etc etc. They were a public menace. They were the direct cause of thousands of infections and they were not even a real church by the way.
Freedom without any restrictions is something that exists nowhere. A country can take all sorts of measures to protect the public health. The US has almost 200 years of case history to back that up. It's not dissimilar to their ability to enact a draft in times of war (or really any time for that matter) The security of the State gets priority. Good luck finding a country that disagrees.
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From your article
The government demanded that the Shincheonji Church turn over its full membership list, through which the Ministry of Health identified thousands of worshippers.

Go ahead tell me how right Franklin was now

One might argue, they hadn't been to that church in ages, they dont want to be hassled, and they dont want to have to prove their innocence.

Nowhere in that article did it say every name the government demanded that every person attended that church.

But again, prove to me how right ol Ben was
 
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Point me to the science that says non-essential activites will lead to a major outbreak. Use data, not feelings or intuition. Leaders got scared. For the most part, they still are. They sure as hell aren't using science to continue the lockdowns.
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So let me get this straight.. You believe that more interaction of people won't lead to increased transmission of this virus? You're kidding, right?
 
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