Rude?
So, that's your comfort zone. Masks. They don't need to, you think they need to. Tell them, everyone you come across, go ahead. Opinions are as free here as to someone in person.
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So, that's your comfort zone. Masks. They don't need to, you think they need to. Tell them, everyone you come across, go ahead. Opinions are as free here as to someone in person.
Recent, years ago,long time ago? Why do we have two senators per state?
There's your hint.
Wrong. This has nothing to do with New York's management of this crisis. It has to do with sheer numbers. 60% of the U.S. population, which is a low number to attain 'herd immunity' (it's the term I've seen experts use) to begin with, is almost 200 million people. 1% of 200 million is roughly 2 million people that would have to die to get to that level of immunity.
We aren't remotely close to 60% of the population being infected by this virus. More like maybe 5-10% at most right now.
We are losing 2,000/day while practicing social distancing. How many do you think we are going to lose with the states opening back up?
Ignoring foolishness
Here's good numbers, tracking the Rt number, infections equal to infected
https://rt.live/
Germany is following this, its the key help for our healthcare system, if it spikes,they can determine hospital availability,shifting patient load by area.
So, yes, this is the critical number, this is still the reason for the curve being practiced, now in place real time.
So forget about the loons worried about the sky is falling.
Here's good numbers, tracking the Rt number, infections equal to infected
https://rt.live/
Germany is following this, its the key help for our healthcare system, if it spikes,they can determine hospital availability,shifting patient load by area.
So, yes, this is the critical number, this is still the reason for the curve being practiced, now in place real time.
So forget about the loons worried about the sky is falling.
The rest can all go hide in their basement like Hoosker Du waiting for the all clear sirens.
Since I'm looking out for broken down sickly farts like yourself, and not poking fun at the fact that you have one foot in the grave already, I would expect a little respect here.
I don't want to see older people go through an awful death, having to gasp for their remaining breaths. Frankly, I don't want to see anyone go through that, young or old.
Yes, at least 75% of the people that I see at the grocery store are idiots just like you, spreading this virus without a care. Bravo..
People on the fringe may come apart as life goes on without them.
People don't want to be constrcted,don't relish being closed up at home, no family,friends neighbors over.
Fringe people seem callous ,me first.
It's almost as if they'd blame all of us for murder.
People don't want to be constrcted,don't relish being closed up at home, no family,friends neighbors over.
Fringe people seem callous ,me first.
It's almost as if they'd blame all of us for murder.
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Like I said, you ramble on without a clue. Considering the seasonal flu has an r naught of 1.3, and Covid-19 is much more readily transmittable, your numbers are all wet. Not just all wet, but embarrassingly drenched.
The doubling time of C-19 has been shown to be much lower than initially thought, which increases the r naught. This publication says the r naught was at 5.7 in late April. A far cry from less than 1.
BTW, an r naught of less than 1 indicates the virus is subsiding. What exactly have you seen to suggest this virus is subsiding??
https://www.healthline.com/health/r-nought-reproduction-number
Have you been out and about? It's more than just a few who aren't protecting. So it's not pretending, it's reality. It's insane to think otherwise.
The idea of the initial shutdown, etc was to freeze it in place while we got a safe way to transition back to normal in the safest manner. But the US was not ready for the task and we have to work on that for next time. A sold test, track and trace system should be in place for wave two or for the next pandemic, etc.
Meanwhile, a guide to staying safe as states reopen.
Meanwhile, a guide to staying safe as states reopen.
See the coffee shop in Colorado who gave the governor the middle finger and opened yesterday?? ....and it was packed. Good for them, I hope we see more and more of the exact same thing all over the States.
Imagine being the last person to realize this has been a giant hoax.
Interesting the media was constantly reporting on the homeless situation but nothing now?
They were emptying their human waste on streets and sidewalks, tents piled on top of each other, no masks, no “social distancing”. San Francisco is giving them booze, weed & housing in hotels. WTF?!
Interesting the media was constantly reporting on the homeless situation but nothing now?
They were emptying their human waste on streets and sidewalks, tents piled on top of each other, no masks, no “social distancing”. San Francisco is giving them booze, weed & housing in hotels. WTF?!
Saw a story about politicians in California who were going to try and publicly shame the hotels who wouldn't take in the homeless, by naming them... and everybody went "SWEET, do it, and those will be the hotels we"ll want to stay at when everything re opens" HAHAHA!!!
You seem to be getting a very one sided and fairly extreme view of the pandemic. I'm curious as to what sources you are getting your news.
Are you suggesting the stories I shared earlier today are false? (please say yes) then let Google do the work for you.
If you're strictly talking masks, I agree. But distancing and hand cleaning is way up.
As far as virus airborne loading, crowds haven't reached the levels in most scenarios yet.
Gloves are worthless, removing them ,you still have to wash your hands, and touching anything with them is transmitting anyways.
Masks indoors helps, but virus loading in air, and definately on surfaces are acruing at the same rate.
It,wearing masks,cuts down an area, but if you walk through that area, the virus likely hasn't died yet.
Dispersing it without a mask,or concentrating near an infected persons body who wears one.it still lingers in the air.
No, thats a redefinition of history.
I wont bother a link.
The shutdown was to create a scenario to not overwhelm our healthcares.
Weve achieved that now.
My link that obviously many people didn't bother with is a real time count to keep the Rt at one, when it goes above,red flags,health cares alerted to shift patient load so no one area is overloaded.
This is the link https://rt.live/
This is all we need to know.
The new one has foolishness on it in fine print, past the headline, many will never know
The 1% mortality rate you are using is causing your problem. In actuality the number is at 1/2 of one percent now for recent infections and it continues to trend lower as more and more asymptomatic positive cases are discovered. At .5% even your number falls to 1 million. Again, it's the asymptomatic positives that ARE driving mortality rates in places that aren't called New York City to a number much lower even than that . When it's all said and done, I believe that the mortality rate will end up being near (gasp) .25%. Worldometer statisticians at this point seem to agree. The same Worldometer's worst case scenario for us is to reach 3000/day and we still end up with less than 300k fatalities according to them. I'm not talking about even reaching population immunity to get to my number. I'm talking about every single American being infected with this virus which we both know won't happen.
This is good news. My initial thoughts based on China's mortality rates (sic) were that we would have nearly 3% of our population die from this if we didn't take drastic measures. Well we took those measures (sort of) and it bought us some time to get our ducks in a row. It's become very obvious that this is not nearly as deadly as we first thought. Yeah it's bad especially for us old fogies with other problems and you never know which one in ten thousand younger healthy person is going to have some predilection for this virus which causes them to die from it. But, that can happen from influenza as well. Keep watching the cases where they go in and test a large cohort of people all on the same day. The number of asymptomatic positive cases is amazing. In some ways SoFLHusker was right when he was proclaiming that this is nothing more than the flu (without a vaccine). We haven't heard from that character lately. I hope he's okay.
FWIW even the LA Times ran a story a few days ago questioning if this was worth killing the economy over.
You have a lot to learn about being irrational and intolerant. You're not even close to either.
Google LA city council meeting and Ritz Carlton. They wanted to house the homeless in the Ritz which has resident luxury condos in it which are occupied by people who paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for them. In reality housing the homeless in a central place is probably the worst thing you could do to them from a disease standpoint. I'm sure they would all just stay in their rooms and follow the rules of social distancing....
Were you expecting me to Google it for you? ...and you didn't answer my question either.
https://blogs.scientificamerican.co...u-deaths-is-like-comparing-apples-to-oranges/
It's no secret the CDC doesn't know how to count.
They're the same politically motivated people who gave us the false narrative that antibiotic use in animals was causing antibiotic resistance in humans. In fact the evidence does not remotely support that. Antibiotic resistance is occurring in humans because of widespread antibiotic use in....wait for it....HUMANS. GASP. The worst possible bug you can get lurks in hospitals. It sucks, but the things they've done to complicate things for livestock producers will do nothing to prevent antibiotic resistance of bugs in humans. But oh well, the intentions were good?
the road to hell is paved with good intentions
always be dubious of those who proclaim to care about yourself and your loved ones more than you do
I was not disputing your story. I was asking about the sources you use to get those stories. That’s all. There are wackos in California, yes. I’m not a fan of it either.
Reason number ....20 why people are leaving CA and NY in droves. States run by idiots who tax the hell out of regular working people to pay for homeless and illegals and their sanctuary cities. Cuomo taxed nurses who came to his state to help people. What a turd he is.Google LA city council meeting and Ritz Carlton. They wanted to house the homeless in the Ritz which has resident luxury condos in it which are occupied by people who paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for them. In reality housing the homeless in a central place is probably the worst thing you could do to them from a disease standpoint. I'm sure they would all just stay in their rooms and follow the rules of social distancing....
No one says masks are 100% effective. But they help by a good margin. Anyone who wants us to reopen and stay open should be advocating all of these measures or else small businesses will continue to suffer. People aren’t really good at keeping space either btw. Plenty of packs and groups etc to be seen everywhere you look.
Good luck getting the people to leave the hotels after everything cools down, and I can see the attorney's commercials now.....advertising to help everyone sue the hotels so they can stay, and the CA court system siding with them. Better off just fighting it now and nip it in the bud (R.I.P. Don Knotts) cause that's where it would be headed anyway, and who would pay for all the damage left behind?
It’s not a redefinition at all. It’s how you keep the health systems from being overwhelmed.
By locking down until you have a good system of controlling it in place. If you reopen before you are ready, the numbers can go back up again. So healthcare systems could still be at risk.
Do you understand this move by the coffee shop and what you're suggesting is ultimately a lawless world? Since when did it become so popular, even encouraged to disrespect law and order? When institutions are no longer trusted or respected, our system is no longer a system.
What if the circumstances were flipped and a conservative governor was in place and made a demand on local businesses or citizens, and then those citizens basically gave the middle finger and said "you're not in charge of me"? Is it still cool?
Wait...so it's not OK to "resist"?? I need to keep a scorecard with a certain segment of our society, it's so hard keeping everything straight anymore....but setting that hypocrisy aside, you are more than welcome to stay home. It's a great big scary world out there.
to be fair, this business made it extraordinarily clear their intentions and issued warnings to any and all who were not comfortable to stay away, stay home and not come in.
they needed the money to survive. those in attendance were supporting a local business at their own risk.
Governor Polis is scheduled to meet with President Trump this week. Maybe he can explain how difficult it is to follow White House guidelines for reopening restaurants and other venues while getting screamed at by people who conveniently pretend that these guidelines don't exist.
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