OT: COVID-19 news. Out of over 3000 positive tests in prison
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just got a text from a buddy in Birmingham, AL:
everything open today, bars, restaurants, beaches, gyms, hair salons, etc. only things still restricted are night clubs and movie theaters.
gov: "we fully understand this will mean a significant increase in positive cases, and we feel our hospitals are ready to respond to the increase."
I guess we'll see.
everything open today, bars, restaurants, beaches, gyms, hair salons, etc. only things still restricted are night clubs and movie theaters.
gov: "we fully understand this will mean a significant increase in positive cases, and we feel our hospitals are ready to respond to the increase."
I guess we'll see.
Decisions, decisions, decisions. The bride and me must go grocery shopping and the dilemma being mask up and face the world & risk our well being. We just don’t know what to do what with the media reporting the dangers of being alive in these frightening times...and then I remember this...
Decisions, decisions, decisions. The bride and me must go grocery shopping and the dilemma being mask up and face the world & risk our well being. We just don’t know what to do what with the media reporting the dangers of being alive in these frightening times...and then I remember this...
Why “must” you both go?
Headed up by the lady Dr, thats so controversial, the guy she named, the head of the cdc.
Yep, no sparing the usage of antibiotics, then not following through with infection and prescriptions.
You don't control the virus, you prepare for cares.
Until testing, known breakouts, bed assessments, ventilator counts etc etc, then using real time break out vs current cases with known hospital capacity.
We may be arguing the same thing, but it still comes back to the original, no overwhelming of the cares system. That I agree with.
That's why the Rt in my link was so important to establish.
If those packs have been packs for months, and they act differently around unknowns, then it's perceptions.
Like the couple who was arrested for not keeping six feet apart.
We will have to trust one another,it's what Sweden did from the onset, leaving liberty to its people, not going nanny state and removing those liberties.
To me,it's above politics, it's we the people.
I could care less what pol wears on their lapel taking away my liberties beyond my graces.
My workplace is starting to take peoples' temperature twice a day. Coworker tested with a high temp and was sent home and tested for the covid. Here in Kansas we are still using the tests that require a week for results. What a load of ****.
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It's called civil disobedience. Some people are tired of having their liberties taken away from them. It's about time somebody stands up to this.
And yet Sweden is still forecasted for a 6.5% GDP drop, the same as Germany and the US, how can that be? All of our “freedom fighters” insist we can open up and we will be fine, but Sweden isn’t.
https://www.ft.com/content/93105160-dcb4-4721-9e58-a7b262cd4b6e
If their economy is tanking like everywhere else, what is the justification for the extra risk?
They have admitted they underestimated the deaths that would happen
https://www.businessinsider.com/cor...hief-says-high-death-toll-was-surprise-2020-5
Dr. Anders Tegnell, Sweden's state epidemiologist, appeared on "The Daily Show with Trevor Noah" on Tuesday, when he described the country's controversial approach.
"We never really calculated with a high death toll initially, I must say," he said.
"We calculated on more people being sick, but the death toll really came as a surprise to us."
Consider me shocked you don’t understand the difference between must and want.
Its kind of sad that we had to get to this point because civil disobedience is basically the last resort against tyranny before we have full on revolution. Anybody that thinks this is just about the last couple of months is missing the bigger picture: this has been brewing for years, the politicians just didn't realize the level of overreach they are guilty of.
Temperature taking is dumb. You've already been exposed at that point for several days...
Sweden isn't going to have a huge second wave though. The thing that most of these models show us is that we are going to have the same amount of deaths no matter what. Do you want them all up front, or spaced out over a year. Sweden is taking their lumps up front.
The whole point was always to try to keep the medical system working and not completely overwhelmed. Most of us will probably get it, most of us won’t need a hospital, but the reason we are doing this is to make sure there is room in the hospitals for the people that need it. Humans are dumb.
Based on what? Sweden has banned large gatherings, pushed for work from home and basically is at 1 death per 3K to 1 per 4K for the US. Their economy is tracking to be every bit as effed up as the US in relation to GDP impact.
I know, I know, I’m marked as “lock it down” despite repeatedly saying we should be using intelligence in determining how we approach it.
We need localized data in the hands of people to make the right decision for their area. This data includes infection rates and hospital critical care capacity. People should use masks/coverings while out in public around others. Indoor dining should be socially distanced, if not closed when a meaningful case load is known in an area.
I laugh at the sudden outpouring of care for our poorer working class from groups that have fought against them having increased wages. I scoff at the idea that we place the bank accounts of millionaires and billionaires above the actual lives of the working class.
And I maintain that anyone who is equating their inability to go get a cheeseburger and sit in a restaurant or take their 4 kids to Lowe’s to shop for flowers to a need to create an armed protest or encourage the next “civil” war is an absolute nut job.
We all are tired of it. It's not fun. We want life to be back to normal. We don't want to lose money. We are all fed up. But "civil disobedience" is a nice way of saying "I am above your laws" and that is not the way to address this.
Why do you put "resist" in quotations? Is that a better way of explaining a defiance of law and order? So when someone is just tired of ****, they should just call it "resisting" and call it a day.
I made my case without peppering my post with words like "scary" to somehow make you seem tougher than me. I'm not afraid of the virus because I've already had it. My point is much more about faith in institutions and following the law. You seem to celebrate people breaking the law. Go protest. Go take a knee. Go talk to your representatives. But to cheer on a blatant disobedience of the law is questionable to me and would result in more damage to our country.
While I empathize with them, that's not how the law works. You can't simply say "hey, we're doing some illegal **** here, if you don't like it, stay away". I don't mean to sound flippant here, but ignoring orders by our government officials is not the way to solve problems. I'll repeat again - NO ONE WANTS THIS. We all want to be back to normal. We don't want people to not earn money, or have the right to earn it. It's called a sacrifice for a reason. If it were easy, it wouldn't be a sacrifice. It's hard. It sucks. But I stand on the side of following governmental leadership advice and order vs. everyone just going their own way.
I appreciate the civil response...we're going to have to chalk this one up to, I ain't changing my mind and I don't expect you to either. Hopefully this will all be a distant memory soon enough.
you keep saying 'law'. those in charge have responded to their defiance of a public health order by simply telling them to not do that again.
We’ve been lied too so much, it’s difficult to keep the B/S @ bay. Our enemies are watching how we handle this.
Yeah, but that narrative has morphed. It was flatten the curve to help out the medical system, now it is flatten to help eradicate. It's all ******* stupid, and we need to open up, protect the elderly and unhealthy and move on with our lives.
Didn't you get the memo? The goalposts have been moved from "trying to keep hospitals from being overwhelmed" to "not a single death, ever, no matter what it costs"
If only Polis was more politically savvy, he would just claim he had nothing to do with it, blame TriCounty Health and Tweet out #FreeCastleRock!
Seems to fool some of the people some of the time.
Pretty much everywhere but New York, the hospitals haven't been close to capacity. It's not like capacity has to be static either. If worst comes to worst, states could set up field hospitals, commandeer hotels, etc., if they needed more hospital beds. I also said from the beginning we should have greatly expanded training programs for new nurses and if necessary could setup a medical draft. I think we would have been just fine had the country not shutdown at all. The flattening the curve to protect hospital capacity was always a load of bs and makes no sense from an economics perspective. Even our regular baseline low capacity hospital system is handling cases just fine.
Well there's more than one way to destroy the healthcare industry. Never let a crisis go to waste.
It could be friggin hoola hooping, if they take it away, liberty lost.
You focus on the money end all you want, you let others tell your girl to get away from you all you want, you obey their commands all you want.
Others aren't so gracious with their liberties, get over it.
What law has this business broken to be shut in the first place? Or, over reaching and trashing the constitution is ok, until more trashing of it is defied?
Then, that business better shape up?
I get what you're saying, and am empathetic to it, but it's a delicate balance.
do stop signs impose upon your personal liberties? I mean, after all,
Most the nurses I know are overworked. Pounding hours at them. We have shortages of Drs and nurses.
Exactly, and Ive been consistent on giving our grace by shutting down our liberties.I get what you're saying, and am empathetic to it, but it's a delicate balance.
do stop signs impose upon your personal liberties? I mean, after all,
We are well past that point. People decide when enough is enough, not some pol somewheres.
How long have people been gracious about this? And at what costs to them?
I can't answer that any better than you, but society is about to burst.
Just the way it is.
Oh, and stop signs are well regulated tested and isn't harming people.
There is nothing lost with a stop sign, no bodies starving because of them etc.
The pols are making this up on the fly, and it's out of touch for some, not enough for others.
The not enough crowd aren't starving, losing their house, their business etc.
Open to it, spell out what liberties you’ve been denied specifically.
Religion? Press? Speech? Assembly? Petition?
I could maybe get behind assembly, but in times of public health crisis the Supreme Court has been pretty consistent in allowing some restrictions or requiring specific actions in the name of public health. If you’re so worried about your liberties lawyer up and bring a case.
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