OT: Haze from the fires

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RUPete

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Forecasts/projections I saw this morning were saying much better over the weekend. Today was already much better.
 
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koleszar

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Sorry but it's a fact that both California and Canada for a decade have decreased their funding of forest management. Sure, they do prescribed burns but not at the rate needed to prevent such widespread forest fires. Couple this with the environmentalist war on the forestry industry and you get huge swaths of tinder boxes waiting for mother nature or human sprawl to set a blaze.

The only one who just recently (this year) took heed is Colorado who after years of defunding have finally started to pump money back into it. This is simple sh*t even the Native Americans knew the importance of forest management so their encampments wouldn't burn down.
 

patk89

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Much better in midtown today. Night and day better than yesterday. Hope it doesn't return. It sucked.
 

DJ Spanky

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From the article:

As of Tuesday, there were 415 active wildfires across Canada with 238 burning out of control. No doubt drought and a warm start to the summer have contributed, but the bigger culprit is poor forest management that has let fuel accumulate over decades.

What the hell, I would have thought Canada would have been far ahead of us in this area.
 

brgRC90

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Sorry but it's a fact that both California and Canada for a decade have decreased their funding of forest management. Sure, they do prescribed burns but not at the rate needed to prevent such widespread forest fires. Couple this with the environmentalist war on the forestry industry and you get huge swaths of tinder boxes waiting for mother nature or human sprawl to set a blaze.

The only one who just recently (this year) took heed is Colorado who after years of defunding have finally started to pump money back into it. This is simple sh*t even the Native Americans knew the importance of forest management so their encampments wouldn't burn down.
I can't find anything to back this claim. If prescribed burns are insufficient it seems to be due to a number of factors, including that more money for Forest management is used up in fires and that the federal government, not California government, isn't keeping up. But it's still clear that warming temperatures and drought are making fires worse, not less prescribed burns. In 2021, California passed a law increasing burns.


 

AreYouNUTS

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Cancelling an indoor game today could be argued against. Cancelling a game yesterday was just common sense.
Zero need to cancel today but silly - IMHO- to have canceled an INDOOR game, yesterday, and I live up here in "ground orange."
 
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DJ Spanky

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Much better today up to now. Been quite a bit of sunshine, still a bit of a smoky smell.

I do have to say that yesterday evening and today the smell really reminded me of when I was a kid and camping in the woods or when we used to burn piles of leaves.

Cancelling an indoor game today could be argued against. Cancelling a game yesterday was just common sense.

I guess it would depend upon whether the facility has a good HVAC system. If so, there's no reason to cancel from the perspective of competing indoors. The only reason that would make sense is to keep people from having to travel outside to reach the venue.
 

RU4Real

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Biden admin today announced, after a meeting with CanadianPM Trudeau, that "all available" U.S. forest firefighting assets will be deployed to Canada.

Hey @e5fdny - bring us back some toques and some Molsons, eh?
 
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RUforester72

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Sorry but it's a fact that both California and Canada for a decade have decreased their funding of forest management. Sure, they do prescribed burns but not at the rate needed to prevent such widespread forest fires. Couple this with the environmentalist war on the forestry industry and you get huge swaths of tinder boxes waiting for mother nature or human sprawl to set a blaze.

The only one who just recently (this year) took heed is Colorado who after years of defunding have finally started to pump money back into it. This is simple sh*t even the Native Americans knew the importance of forest management so their encampments wouldn't burn down.
No jurisdiction in the US is using prescribed fire enough to make inroads on Forest health, with the exception of the pine forests of the Southern states which have used fire for many decades and where it is widely accepted by the public.

The reasons are: Clean Air Act limitations, fear of liability and resulting litigation, funding, environmental review requirements, lack of workforce, NIMBYism, etc. At best, agencies use a triage approach to treat priority areas such as wild land urban interface, municipal watersheds, sensitive species habitat, etc.
 

mdk02

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No jurisdiction in the US is using prescribed fire enough to make inroads on Forest health, with the exception of the pine forests of the Southern states which have used fire for many decades and where it is widely accepted by the public.

The reasons are: Clean Air Act limitations, fear of liability and resulting litigation, funding, environmental review requirements, lack of workforce, NIMBYism, etc. At best, agencies use a triage approach to treat priority areas such as wild land urban interface, municipal watersheds, sensitive species habitat, etc.

+1. And for a while there was no prescribed burning in Cali at all and though it has increased in the last decade it is still insufficient.

https://www.mdpi.com/2571-6255/2/2/30
 
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ashokan

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#Bats and Pangolins

Lol - I got booted off Twitter in 2020 for posting about an Israel bioweapons expert saying SARS-CoV-2 was a hack from bio-weapon lab (vs zoonotic).

Now we have Jack Dorsey (Twitter founder) calling for agencies to be disbanded AND he's endorsing JFK Jr.
Not many have been "bad jacketed" as " conspiracy theorist" theorist as much as JFK Jr.







 

CollegeSenior

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nyc schools on zoom tomorrow...why? we have no idea since the conditions will be much improved

Could it be because grades K-8 were always scheduled to be out of school June 9 as part of the 2022-23 school calendar released almost a year ago?
 

yesrutgers01

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Lol - I got booted off Twitter in 2020 for posting about an Israel bioweapons expert saying SARS-CoV-2 was a hack from bio-weapon lab (vs zoonotic).

Now we have Jack Dorsey (Twitter founder) calling for agencies to be disbanded AND he's endorsing JFK Jr.
Not many have been "bad jacketed" as " conspiracy theorist" theorist as much as JFK Jr.







WTF is wrong with you? Asking for a friend
 

yesrutgers01

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Been working outside all day and Its completely fine out there
Today is pretty good. But you think yesterday was “perfectly” fine???
Yesterday was not going to cause any long term damage to a healthy person but it also, was not perfectly fine.
If you stand by that- it is clear to everyone you are just an idiot
To be clear, not calling you an idiot, but based on your response, you will most likely make it clear.
 
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e5fdny

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Biden admin today announced, after a meeting with CanadianPM Trudeau, that "all available" U.S. forest firefighting assets will be deployed to Canada.

Hey @e5fdny - bring us back some toques and some Molsons, eh?
Right after Sandy my family and I went on a planned vacation to Disney.

At the TSA checkpoint the agent saw my ID and said, “You’re allowed to leave?”

I told her, “Honey, there are 12K more just like me sticking around. I think they can spare me two weeks.”

Was in Alaska a few summers ago with the Eastern Area IMT for a big wildland fire just a little south of Artic Circle. Flew in on a bush plane to a little village called Tanana. Which is where they filmed the show “Yukon Men”, wasn’t familiar with the show but everyone else was. Nice people.

Awesome experience. One of the really cool things was meeting 3 other Cook guys on the team. One from Maine, one from NJ and one from Illinois.
 

RUaMoose_rivals

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It's called being responsible and advocating for the general public health of the state's population. Is that concept too difficult for you to grasp? Do you actually not understand the science? Or do you simply like sounding like a complete moron?
Some ppl have to actually do real work for a living not sit behind a laptop in their AC home while contemplating what snobby, overpriced restaurant they’re going to that night. “The science”. LOL
 

brgRC90

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WTF is wrong with you? Asking for a friend
He's Svengali. He can see through dark walls and penetrate the veil of secrecy to uncover the truth that the rest of us are too blind to see! Plus, he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
 

RuSnp

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We have an awful lot of Keyboard Commandos here and in this country, in case you haven't noticed.
Bigger problem is the keyboard geniuses on topic (blank) and every other topic. Like who the hell here really knows the proper amount of preventive burning country X should he doing to stop forest fires lmao. But man if it fits into the narrative they already believe in - how quickly an expert they become.
 
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koleszar

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Like who the hell here really knows the proper amount of preventive burning country X should he doing to stop forest fires lmao. But man if it fits into the narrative they already believe in - how quickly an expert they become.
Hey numbnuts, @RUforester72 is a forest fighter out west and I'm a small-time farmer/rancher. So, while you're playing Super Mario Bros. in mom's basement, I'm reading and learning about all types of agriculture, livestock, arboriculture and entomology while RUforester72 is putting these fires out. It's not hard to come to the same conclusion, when all the experts say we're not doing enough.
 
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brgRC90

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Bigger problem is the keyboard geniuses on topic (blank) and every other topic. Like who the hell here really knows the proper amount of preventive burning country X should he doing to stop forest fires lmao. But man if it fits into the narrative they already believe in - how quickly an expert they become.
OH, we have many, many, many, MANY such experts like this. Who knew so many people, for example, are experts on juvenile transgender medicine, of all common things?? I have a degree in psychology and I know very little of the subject. But who needs universities and doctors?? Just go online!
 

RULoyal

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Bigger problem is the keyboard geniuses on topic (blank) and every other topic. Like who the hell here really knows the proper amount of preventive burning country X should he doing to stop forest fires lmao. But man if it fits into the narrative they already believe in - how quickly an expert they become.
Like climate change
 

ashokan

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WTF is wrong with you? Asking for a friend

Totally rational post in reply to others. Unfortunately I'm on the current events ball more than the average Boomer (not much of a bar to clear sorry to say) so I have to take the shock and awe from the Muggles like your friend. Better be putting away the canned tuna and peanut butter we're in for an interesting year
 
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RU848789

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Like climate change
I did not stay at a Holiday Inn last night, but I did have a chapter in my PhD thesis on global environmental issues, including climate change (and the ozone hole, resource depletion, threats to flora and fauna diversity, etc.) and know several serious players in these fields.
 
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brgRC90

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I did not stay at a Holiday Inn last night, but I did have a chapter in my PhD thesis on global environmental issues, including climate change (and the ozone hole, resource depletion, threats to flora and fauna diversity, etc.) and know several serious players in these fields.
Pfft! PhDs?!! Those are educated a**holes. A guy who "does his research" on the internet, on God knows what sites, knows more. The next time I need surgery I'm skipping my surgeon with her fancy egg headed degree from a snooty medical school and calling him!
 
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