OT: Is Twitter now blocked for those who don't have an account?
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Yep, if you use Tweetdeck it is f'd. Nothing but the home column loads, and that is limited.
No one in the tech/software industry believes it. There are reports that a code change has caused Twitter to DDoS itself with requests that never load. There is likely also some cumulative effect of the rest of the bad decisions Musk has made since he brought Twitter.
An article in the Verge sums it up pretty well, https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/1/23781198/twitter-daily-reading-limit-elon-musk-verified-paywall
Officially he has used the AI scraping excuse to implement rules that new unverified accounts can only read 600 post per day, verified accounts can read 6000.
No one in the tech/software industry believes it. There are reports that a code change has caused Twitter to DDoS itself with requests that never load. There is likely also some cumulative effect of the rest of the bad decisions Musk has made since he brought Twitter.
An article in the Verge sums it up pretty well, https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/1/23781198/twitter-daily-reading-limit-elon-musk-verified-paywall
Putting limits on how many tweets you can see a day depending on your user status leaves a bad taste in your mouth. Going to lose the whole company.
Gross over reaction. Could be part of a larger cleanup, which has been sorely needed since before he took over. Too many bots and fake accounts. If this is part of a cleanup, it's for the better and I will be patient.
Especially when the underlying business model depends largely on ad sales from eyeball impressions.
Lots of people are already jumping ship to other similar services.
You could be right but we'll see where the company is a year from now. Once people leave they normally don't come back.
What you mean advertisers don’t actually want more people to see their ads? META is coming up with a Twitter competitor soon too.
Completely agree, it's a bad corporate move if that's what it is.
Yup, that's what I'm thinking is wait until the dust settles to find out what's really going on.
That's a lousy business model that guarantees very little exposure to those who aren't already subscribed.
He never understood what he was buying or the media biz, but that’s why he has brought in an ad veteran to fix the mess he created while he pursues a misguided superapp product development strategy.
It must be nice to be able to burn 10s of billions of dollars and not even feel a touch let alone a pinch lol.
That's true. Those people only want to accept one point of view and are unable to hear out different view points that don't align with theirs. They prefer censorship over free speech.
I got rid of my account a while back. Musk was fed up with people bad mouthing him on the service, so he bought the whole thing to shut them up. Now it is being mothballed.
It's nice for Musk. It can, at times, be problematic for twitter users, or for Tesla shareholders, or others.
Musk can and, and does, make some seemingly impulsive decisions (like buying twitter or making ill-advised tweets) that someone with far less financial "cushion" would be more cautious about. I can't know for certain, but I'd bet a lot that his acquisitions team highlighted a lot of red flags about the twitter purchase that Musk ignored until it was too late (thus he had buyer's remorse and tried to exit the deal).
Time will tell if the twitter purchase was wise or not. But at the moment, it look pretty unwise. It's clearly disruptive to twitter users and this limited-use "solution" seems impulsive rather than well-considered.
LOL.
Twitter, long before Musk came along, along with all other large social media platforms, have to deal with the, so-far impossible to solve, problems of fake accounts, bots, and well-financed/organized misinformation and disinformation campaigns from all over the world. The unbelievably massive scale of the problem is what makes it impossible to solve.
It's pure ignorant partisan paranoia to take a statistically meaningless number of anecdotes about posts or accounts that were removed and twist that into some kind of ideological censorship. The scale of new posts and accounts these companies handle make it utterly impossible to produce a human-oriented statistically significant bias.
And creating software filters that remain 100% free of all biases while also trying to eliminate billions of posts from fake accounts, or hate speech, or violence incitement, is an impossibly difficult technical challenge (at the moment). AI may ultimately help solve this, but it hasn't yet. Nobody's figured it out yet.
It has nothing to do with politics or parties or ideologies. It has everything to do with math and the current limits of technology.
Sorry,
I was referring to so many people who were upset by Musk allowing all voices to speak on his platform. These people aren't okay with different ideas and opinions and said they were leaving the platform because of this. Not sure what your LOL was about.
I just keep hearing, mostly but not exclusively from my friends on the right, that twitter was censoring political speech. But they absolutely weren't intentionally doing anything of the sort. And even unintentionally it wasn't occuring at a statistically significant rate as compared to the volume of daily tweets they handle.
And now that Musk took over, nothing has materially changed w/the filtering. They just reenabled some accounts which represent like 0.0000000000000000000000001% of the posts on twitter. Meaningless.
Musk made a ton of noise about free speech and censorship, but he was FOS about it (and his due diligence team will have explained to him what the real issues are with twitter and other social media filtering). When he finally realized just how massive the filtering issue was, how much fake crap there is on twitter, when he finally listened to his DD team, realized there wasn't a censorship issue at all, he wanted to back out of the deal because of the impact on ad sales and revenue.
The LOL was aimed at everyone, right or left, who whines about twitter or other social media censoring them. It's nonsensical partisan tunnel vision (from both sides) and totally ignorant of what's actually happening w/the tech giants.
I would not touch anything Meta. Facebook is garbage. Instagram interface is horrible.
I posted above about Blue Sky. My experience with Facebook and Instagram have been so poor, I would not try another Meta product.
Twitter has been fantastic for me pre and post Musk. I get that he is a bit of a polarizing figure, but I don't care who owns the product as long as they are not a sociopath and the product works for me.
On the latter point, I simply set my follows on my topics of interest, which excludes politics, and I mute and block accounts that post stuff I don't want to or need to see. I simply read posts of accounts I follow.
I am aware of the Twitter files, which includes Matt Taibbi, Michael Schellenberger, and I think Lee Fang and Bari Weiss. The Twitter files did show a bit of one-sided content moderation, regardless of anyone's opinion here on the matter. While that aspect of Twitter does not materially impact my Twitter experience, I can see how it matters to a lot of people.
Lots of coordinated efforts to censor on Twitter led by govt
What evidence is there that Musk isn’t a sociopath?
If you are reading over 600 tweets a day you may need to get a life.
social media sucks, sometimes it's how the platform is run and a seemingly agenda being pushed by it's administrator(s) , but usually it's the users that make it trash and the idiots that believe they can trust what's being put on it.
Jack Dorsey said the most interesting thing after the deal went through - his main regret was ever trying to make it into a company, rather than a protocol.
If Musk’s intentions were in any way genuinely concerned about “free-speech absolutism” or “truth in journalism”, that would be the strategy he’d be pursuing, instead he’s trying to build “X”…. just another megalomaniacal tech bros wet dream.
I think even he realizes he’s in way over his head, so naturally brought in a woman to clean up the mess he made and turn it into a functioning business.
He's a man of many countries. So there's that. Beyond that, he's also a creep. A wealthy creep, but a creep nonetheless.
Social media does not suck if you don't let it suck, but it can suck if you let it suck.
Agree that it is sometimes on how a platform is run.
Not sure on a "seemingly agenda being pushed by it's administrator(s)" It's usually the users, and lack of moderation by administrators, but some administrators let the site run unfettered.
Agree on the users, but that is why having an ignore/mute feature is useful for any social media site. As an example, in the early days of Facebook, I remember there were a bunch of annoying games--there was some game about a farm or something, and I was getting barraged with messages about how someone I barely knew in high school who friended me got a new chicken or something on their farm. Who has time for that nonsense? That was eventually fixed. Facebook now seems to have been largely abandoned except for mostly the over 50 crowd, and its seems a large number of people are posting political or silly memes. It got to the point where I would have had to put almost everyone on ignore, so I just stopped logging on. So that one is on on the users.
As noted above, I find Twitter easier to moderate/cull users I don't want to to hear from, but YMMV.
Your hatred is seeping through your keyboard and onto the screen. Your takes seem rooted in hatred and not in fact. I don't care about Elon Musk or his companies. The Twitter platform seems largely unchanged to me. What is amusing, however, is how many people pre-Musk were throttled, thrown in the pokey or banned for daring to question the "narrative," and now these people have largely are being seen as having had either at least very valid positions or were right along, depending on the particular person.
As I understand Musk's position, and maybe I am misunderstanding it, is that free speech means that incorrect speech can be countered by corrective speech--the marketplace of ideas. Oddly, the people who used to live and die by the First Amendment seem mortally wounded and afraid of that concept.
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Opinions. That's what is great about the interwebs. Anyone can have one, whether it is right, wrong or somewhere in between.
Would you indulge us with the basis for your creep characterization?
Meanwhile, as reported by Musk 3 days ago, the Twitter platform recorded another all-time-high in user-seconds last week.
Oh no! How will middle age and elderly college athletics fans find random blogs by nobody’s to get angry over?
It is quite amusing that basically everyone (worldwide) bashes Twitter as the low point of society and terrible - but then get super upset that Elon Musk keeps doing things to run it into the ground.
It’s almost as if everyone complaining about how bad Twitter is have no actual plan or inclination to stop using it.
“Cigarettes are terrible for you. Everyone knows this. It would be much better and healthier world is everyone stopped smoking cigarettes. I hate that I keep smoking cigarettes.
Why do they keep making laws to stop me from getting cigarettes? This is awful.”
It is quite amusing that basically everyone (worldwide) bashes Twitter as the low point of society and terrible - but then get super upset that Elon Musk keeps doing things to run it into the ground.
It’s almost as if everyone complaining about how bad Twitter is have no actual plan or inclination to stop using it.
“Cigarettes are terrible for you. Everyone knows this. It would be much better and healthier world is everyone stopped smoking cigarettes. I hate that I keep smoking cigarettes.
Why do they keep making laws to stop me from getting cigarettes? This is awful.”
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