OT: Long time Sayreville/South Amboy eyesore going away?

Willow88!

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Looked for an existing thread for this story, but nothing seemed appropriate. Hopefully this finally happens!


Thank the Lord .. OMG .. Finally... what a great spot, just hope the time to fix up doesn't take as long as the other sites....
 

RUBOB72

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Pre Indoor Amboy Theater Complex was the Amboy Drive In. There were many in the areas of Essex , Union, Monmouth and Middlesex Counties back in the 50-60-70’s. Best were the Adult Movies shown as people came over the Victory Bridge from a beach weekend. Classic NJ at it’s finest.
 

Knight Shift

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Did you personally collect the rent? :)
I was forbidden from going near the place. My better half had an elaborate system of cameras and trip wires set up at the property boundaries---KIDDING. Truthfully, however, other than the twin cinemas, did not see the attraction, and I concluded that it must not have been a great place. Like @mildone , not a fan of strip clubs or strippers. Never was.
 
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RUSK97

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I thought I heard a couple of years ago that Cabelas wanted to put a store there.
I think that's the other side of the Parkway (the southbound side). Riverton development. Not sure if it's going ahead, but I did see some earthmoving vehicles there during the summer (not that that means anything).

Riverton
 

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I was forbidden from going near the place. My better half had an elaborate system of cameras and trip wires set up at the property boundaries---KIDDING. Truthfully, however, other than the twin cinemas, did not see the attraction, and I concluded that it must not have been a great place. Like @mildone , not a fan of strip clubs or strippers. Never was.
I should clarify that I'm not opposed to strip clubs and have no problem with strippers. I just don't find watching bored nude women dancing to be particularly fun or entertaining. I'd rather spend my time with a woman at a coffee shop or a book store or being intimate or whatever.

Hell, I'd be fine dating a stripper (or a hooker). Long as she's extremely intelligent, loving and kind, ethical, big-hearted, outgoing, hard-working, and all that good stuff, then it's not like I'm gonna be upset that she's also a total sex freak.

I'm a total sex freak, so it'd just be something we have in common. 😃
 

RUSK97

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Yes, Sayreville got a lot of blue acres funding after Irene and Sandy. One of the very few good ideas from Trenton. Sadly, it is way underfunded.
I'm rather surprised to see this opinion from you. If I'm understanding it correctly, it's using public funds to buy back and remediate private riparian lands. It's heinously expensive if that's what I expect it to be.
 

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I spent many a Christmas Eve at strip clubs in my early 20s.

Big group of us would hang out from about noon until most of the group left for midnight mass. I was and am a heathen so I went home to the family party

Good times
 
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RU_87

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Okay, I may ramble a bit here. Obviously, that portion of Rt. 18 is in desperate need of redevelopment, but EB is truly in a no-win situation. Any new retail/commercial on those locations will just cause other locations on 18 to close and go vacant. EB has WAY TOO MUCH commercially zoned land. Society has changed. The old zoning calculations of sq feet required per X number of residents are outdated.

The only long-term solution is to remove commercial land from the books. This can be done via residential (not preferred), open space, or other services (e.g., indoor sports). The plan allows for too much commercial. Even though residential would be better, EB needs to be careful since adding more will just continue to overload the town's already stressed infrastructure and schools. So, that's not a great idea either.

That said, the plan below for the old Gap/Wiz plaza is pretty good. Less retail than I expected, so hopefully this trend continues. However, the cluster housing number is a concern. I would love to see more green space and activity-based services like indoor sports or rec.


I agree....this is a lot of added residential space. Schools and taxes will be suffering in a couple of years. The biggest concern I have with this development is that between the space they are redeveloping where the Gap/Wiz was, they are also redeveloping the land right next to it (Loehman's plaza). They should be using the opportunity of taking some of this space to create an overpass to Old Bridge TPK / Edgeboro landfill area. Something like what the Somerville Circle provides for Rt. 202, Rt 206, Rt. 28. East Brunswick needs to put in place where and when it can such overpasses to get Rt. 18 traffic moving and not continued to be a worsening parking lot that nobody wants to traverse to get to stores let alone having to traverse to get to / from work. Yes...one overpass does not alleviate the inability to put one in at Tices lane, etc. But resolving the overall problem starts one intersection at a time.
 
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HPNJRUfan

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I think that's the other side of the Parkway (the southbound side). Riverton development. Not sure if it's going ahead, but I did see some earthmoving vehicles there during the summer (not that that means anything).

Riverton
Can't say I really agree with it (former site of National Lead in a flood zone) but it seems to be moving along however slowly
 

RU4Real

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Can't say I really agree with it (former site of National Lead in a flood zone) but it seems to be moving along however slowly

The NL site wasn't a flood zone when it was the NL site. That part of Sayreville, from the mouth of the Raritan to the South RIver, would flood only very rarely in small parts.

The chronic flooding didn't become an issue until the wetlands on the other side of the river, in Edison, were filled and paved to create Raritan Center. A massive tidal wetland was destroyed for that project and with it went a very important flood buffer.

We've been guilty of great historical negligence when it comes to wetlands. It may well be mankind's single biggest act of environmental negligence.
 

sayre17

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Only took Sayreville 17 years to address this and make a plan. Thats our local government at best here in the ville. I guess it's better than the 40 years it is taking for the National Lead site that has been moving dirt around for the last five years,
 

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The NL site wasn't a flood zone when it was the NL site. That part of Sayreville, from the mouth of the Raritan to the South RIver, would flood only very rarely in small parts.

The chronic flooding didn't become an issue until the wetlands on the other side of the river, in Edison, were filled and paved to create Raritan Center. A massive tidal wetland was destroyed for that project and with it went a very important flood buffer.

We've been guilty of great historical negligence when it comes to wetlands. It may well be mankind's single biggest act of environmental negligence.
And with the current case in court in May get worse
 

Joey Bags

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I remember that was a hot bed for stolen cars driven over the Outerbridge and straight to chop shops. I know of 2 friends that had their cars stolen there.
Holy ****, this guy who owns a pizzeria up the road from me claims his car was stolen from there back in the 80s “in his prior life” and claims he found out where it was taken in Staten Island and got it back by “handling business”. At the time I thought he was just a being a typical North Jersey/Staten Island goombah but who knows.
 

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Only took Sayreville 17 years to address this and make a plan. Thats our local government at best here in the ville. I guess it's better than the 40 years it is taking for the National Lead site that has been moving dirt around for the last five years,

The NL site has little to do with the boro. It's a SuperFund site. Remediation has been handled, from Day 1, by the EPA.

As for the Amboy Cinema site, my guess is that there's been little interest from developers until now. I haven't tapped my sources for details, yet, but my guess is that's the story. I can find out easily enough, since my old buddy Wiz is doing primarily land use litigation for Sayreville and South Amboy since retiring from politics.
 

T2Kplus20

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They should be using the opportunity of taking some of this space to create an overpass to Old Bridge TPK / Edgeboro landfill area. Something like what the Somerville Circle provides for Rt. 202, Rt 206, Rt. 28. East Brunswick needs to put in place where and when it can such overpasses to get Rt. 18 traffic moving and not continued to be a worsening parking lot that nobody wants to traverse to get to stores let alone having to traverse to get to / from work. Yes...one overpass does not alleviate the inability to put one in at Tices lane, etc. But resolving the overall problem starts one intersection at a time.
Outstanding idea. That would be a value-add for the community!
 

RU4Real

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Holy ****, this guy who owns a pizzeria up the road from me claims his car was stolen from there back in the 80s “in his prior life” and claims he found out where it was taken in Staten Island and got it back by “handling business”. At the time I thought he was just a being a typical North Jersey/Staten Island goombah but who knows.

Pizza places still crack me up. I was friends with all the kids whose fathers were rounded up in the great "Pizza Connection" thing. Antoinette Mazzara's old man disappeared the day he was supposed to testify and was later found in a variety of garbage bags.

The funny thing is the pizza place in question (in Sayreville) is still owned by the same family.
 

RU_87

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Outstanding idea. That would be a value-add for the community!
I tried to mention it to someone on an East Brunswick board in a facebook news message but got no reply. I’ve heard for years that the belief they have Is that there’s not much that can be done about Rt 18 traffic. I don’t buy that. Can’t boil the ocean but can take incremental steps, especially when the opportunity presents itself
 

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Growing up in Sayreville I saw a million movies there, even some when it was Amboys Drive-In:



Anyways. this is one of the ideas they had in building a minor league ballpark there:

Not sure if this is the reason but my oldest son was a engineering consultant at the sewage treatment plant in Sayreville when Sandy hit. The flooding ruined and took off line that plant for awhile. My son ran the FEMA project for that plant and the one in Union Beach to entomb both plants and lift all machinery 10 feet. After that storm, I'm thinking that stadium idea went out the window. Didn't Somerset Park get major flooding last year?
 
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RU4Real

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Not sure if this is the reason but my oldest son was a engineering consultant at the sewage treatment plant in Sayreville when Sandy hit. The flooding ruined and took off line that plant for awhile. My son ran the FEMA project for that plant and the one in Union Beach to entomb both plants and lift all machinery 10 feet. After that storm, I'm thinking that stadium idea went out the window. Didn't Somerset Park get major flooding last year?

Your boy must know my old friend Mike S.
 

Joey Bags

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Pizza places still crack me up. I was friends with all the kids whose fathers were rounded up in the great "Pizza Connection" thing. Antoinette Mazzara's old man disappeared the day he was supposed to testify and was later found in a variety of garbage bags.

The funny thing is the pizza place in question (in Sayreville) is still owned by the same family.
Were they actually rounded up or were they “rounded up”?
 

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I saw a lot of movies at the the drive in. My grandmother used to work the booth and let us in for free. Then it became a cinema whatever. Started at 4 or 8 don’t recall. Saw a lot of movies at the cinema as well. Then they closed it. Best I knew was some “foundation’ problem.
 
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The NL site has everything to do with the Boro. Sayreville had to eminent domain the property and sue NL before the cleanup could start. It took 40 years.
 

rureadyforsomefootball

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Your boy must know my old friend Mike S.
Not sure of his bosses last name, but Mike was the head engineer and owner. He hired my son before his senior year at Rutgers. Had his job in his back pocket already which was nice. If it's the same Mike, my son learned a lot working for him, and my son got a huge amount of experience bidding and pricing jobs, checking on job sites. It was very hard to leave since he was there 13 years, but with 2 kids, this company just offered too much to turn down. He recently was recruited to a huge Engineering firm in Edison and is running a project tunneling two lines, one for water, the other for sewage, 2 miles long under the river connecting Monmouth beach.
 

RU4Real

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Not sure of his bosses last name, but Mike was the head engineer and owner. He hired my son before his senior year at Rutgers. Had his job in his back pocket already which was nice. He recently was recruited to a huge Engineering firm in Edison and is running a 80 million dollar project tunneling two lines, one for water, the other for sewage, 2 miles long under the river connecting Monmouth beach.

Mike is one of my closest friends - we go back about 45 years. One of the all around nicest people you'll ever meet.
 

RU4Real

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The NL site has everything to do with the Boro. Sayreville had to eminent domain the property and sue NL before the cleanup could start. It took 40 years.

I do not believe you are entirely correct. NL closed the plant (formally) in 1982. Sayreville Economic & Redevelopment Agency (SERA) ultimately reached an agreement with NL to acquire the property in 2005 (so 23 years, which is not out of line in any of these cases) after 10 years engaged in court battles as to the settlement cost.

O'Neill Properties acquired the site in 2008 ("The Pointe") but the effort ultimately went Tango Uniform within about 4 years. It was recast with a new developer, with backing from PGIM, and the current project was announced in 2017.

There can be no underestimation of the scale of the cleanup, there. It's the reason why NL abandoned the property in the first place - they did it to forestall the inevitable cost of the cleanup, since there was no way it could be sold, outright, in the 80s.

I'm pretty well integrated into this, since key political players are personal friends of mine.
 

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I do not believe you are entirely correct. NL closed the plant (formally) in 1982. Sayreville Economic & Redevelopment Agency (SERA) ultimately reached an agreement with NL to acquire the property in 2005 (so 23 years, which is not out of line in any of these cases) after 10 years engaged in court battles as to the settlement cost.

O'Neill Properties acquired the site in 2008 ("The Pointe") but the effort ultimately went Tango Uniform within about 4 years. It was recast with a new developer, with backing from PGIM, and the current project was announced in 2017.

There can be no underestimation of the scale of the cleanup, there. It's the reason why NL abandoned the property in the first place - they did it to forestall the inevitable cost of the cleanup, since there was no way it could be sold, outright, in the 80s.

I'm pretty well integrated into this, since key political players are personal friends of mine.
The majority of that redevelopment plan will never see the light of day. North Brunswick 2.0.
 

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Drive past the Amboy Cinemas everyday. Someone should get the amboy cinemas neon signs off the side of the building for historical purposes. Also, for you strip club denziens Club 35 or xxxv, is closed. Seems they were running drugs and prostetution ring out of the club and they have been shut down since July. Here is an article about club 35 being shut down. https://newjersey.news12.com/police...b-arrested-following-evidence-of-prostitution
Prostitution in a strip club?
Say it isn't so!
😂😂😂
 

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The majority of that redevelopment plan will never see the light of day. North Brunswick 2.0.

I'm not sure it will, either, but I'm hopeful. If for no other reason than the plan includes a marina and the central coast suffers from a serious lack of slip space accessible to +65' mast heights.
 
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RU#1fan

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Not the same land, but pretty close. You can see that the Route 18 corridor in EB has a lot of crap to fix. The ice rinks are planned for the old Wonder Bread plant/site near that intersection. It is adjacent to the Kohl's/Lowes complex.

Very good use. That's a winner (as long as the demand for use is there)
A short drive from my house. Looking forward to games on the new rink.
 
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