It does if she says it does and the recorded conversation reflects resistance on her end. That’s the thing with workplace harrassment - it doesn’t take that much to trigger it. She was a hired consultant so there isn’t as defined of a line between the work place and personal time. They are blended. Tucker was extremely stupid for getting involved with her.
OT: Mel Tucker under investigation for sexual harassment
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For a lot. It’s not a slam dunk ‘for cause’ firing according to what we know.
Drag queens are the worst…some of the most vile “entertainers” around…many are funny and talented, but so many are deranged loons…met so many at feathers on River Edge…drunk…rude…vile…drugged up…nasty
Disagree. The "for cause" is pretty clear to me and always was, as per my inital post the day this broke and I think he'll settle for a low number, realizing that. You should just take the L here and move on as you said this won't be a "for cause" firing and it is.
I’ve said I think that’s what would happen but I don’t think it’ll be for a large percentage of the money owed. I think 77M was owed. I’d be surprised if he got anything above low double digits and probably not even that.
i said it won’t fly, not that they wouldn’t try. paying anything less than $79M is a win for MSU.
I’m not a psychologist, but i dont think a long phone call can be non-consensual especially for a professional in the anti-harassment space. we will find out what the experts think.
No, you said, "I don't think this will be a 'for cause" firing," and it was - he was just fired for cause. Period.
What difference does the length of the call make?
The weird **** could have been at the end.
usually the case in most disputes like this.
University wants someone gone, that someone puts up a fight, school feels settling out of court better then airing dirty laundry to public
So Mel is being compared to a drag queen.
That might help MSU in proving their for cause case
Feathers is still there. I have lived in Bergen County over 30 years and never knew what kind of bar it was until I drove past on my way home from Brooklyn Pizza in Hackensack one night a few years ago. Very unassuming place when you drive by during the day.
How can you say it won’t fly? Do you have access to Michigan State’s anti-harrassment policy. You are still confusing criminal / civil law logic with an entity’s rights under employment law. The bar for the latter is much much lower. The language in his contract is pretty clear and technically gives them flexibility to get rid of him for any inappropriate behavior (anything he does that embarrasses the university - this clearly qualifies). Dollars to donuts their internal policy also covers this in some way. It doesn’t matter if they had a romantic relationship and then she broke it off and told him to beat it. If he then pursued even once after she said to leave her alone, that’d do it since she recorded the evidence.
His only leg to stand on here is that Michigan State will want this out of the press. I agree with Plum. This will settle for something so that Sparty can move on. No other reason. It will not be a tremendous number though as Mel has no case unless he can prove she set him up deliberately (with Michigan State involved somehow).
And I’ll add - the negative press on this would not be worth the hassle for Michigan State to conspire on this just to get out of his contract. Nevermind the risk of getting caught. Major reach.
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You’re misinterpreting. I meant ‘in the end’ they won’t escape a very big payout (the ‘for cause’ won’t fly).
Obviously after all this stink they can’t keep him. I said that too.
I guess it depends how you define “big”. $1-$2 M would certainly be a lot of “severance” for most of us to collect, but relative to his contract size, that’s peanuts. It would be shocking if he collects anything north of 20% of his outstanding contract IMO.
Regardless - it has nothing to do with “for cause” standing up. To justify “for cause”, Michigan State just has to point to behaviors that meet the criteria laid out in the contract he agreed to which says if he engages in behavior that clearly embarrasses the university they can can him.
All this said - even with it being a slam dunk, Mel has various avenues he can pursue to keep this going and make this a drawn out headache for Michigan State. He’ll apply for unemployment benefits which Michigan State will obviously contest (they have to because he only qualifies if they agree he wasn’t fired for cause). That spins off a whole arbitration process in its own right (every state is different). Michigan State will want this thing buried so that’s where negotiations will come in.
My guess would be they settle for some sum of money- maybe just under 10 mil and Tucker's camp tries to get some sort of language in there that may ease the accusation to allow him to find work elsewhere.
Though, not sure who would hire him regardless.
Though, not sure who would hire him regardless.
Definitely settle, but my guess is somewhat lower than $10 million. Have to figure the cost of litigation could be justified at the number. They'd throw in conciliatory language.
yes i understand your “define big” point. i’m not talking peanuts, i mean yes north of 20%. I’d even say north of 50% unless Tucker relents.
there are Title IX privacy laws protecting both the accuser and accusee. that’s why it was kept quiet for months. but then it blew up. I think MSU screwed this up and will pay bigly (ha ha).
I think if that was the case they would’ve paid him already and been done. Michigan State’s lawyers clearly believe their case is solid. Otherwise why drag it out?
They’re still students so I assume they would stay at MSU through this semester and enroll elsewhere in January. I would think add/drop period is over and you can’t enroll at this point in a school year.
The 30 day period is for eligibility purposes.
two names that I just seen ( probably mentioned but I never noticed) are
Bill O'Brien, seems to be mentioned in every opening and David Shaw.
copying and pasting what I read
>Bill O'Brien, New England Patriots offensive coordinator: If Michigan State wants to go with an established head coach, O'Brien should be a candidate. He took over at Penn State in 2012 after Joe Paterno's career ended in scandal and kept the program afloat for two seasons while it was under heavy sanctions before leaving for the NFL.
David Shaw, former Stanford head coach: As an insider told ESPN's Adam Rittenberg, Michigan State will heavily vet its next head coach. The former 12-year Cardinal head coach Shaw is a high-character leader the university needs as it moves past Tucker's scandal.
Shaw was named to the NCAA Commission to Combat Campus Sexual Violence in 2016, the only college football head coach named to the committee. Brenda Tracy, the sexual assault prevention advocate who filed the Title IX claim against Tucker that led to his dismissal, was also named to the committee. Tracy spoke to the Stanford football team while Shaw was head coach in 2017.
My source:
https://www.yardbarker.com/college_...der_after_firing_mel_tucker/s1_13132_39314151
I still think Elko and him are possible until they flat out say no like Klieman did.
He even said I was hoping you wouldn’t ask that to Rome. If the answer is a simple “No I’m staying no matter what” then anyone asking anything doesn’t matter and he wouldn’t have to hope to avoid those questions. He could just shut all of them down.
Leipold probably isn't planning to leave Kansas for MSU but didn't want to lock that in because of the possibility MSU will give him a once in a lifetime offer if they settle the Tucker mess and come out of it favorably.
I didn't realize Rome was still around. I thought he died or got fired or something. He used to have a pretty good show Rome is burning.
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This is a serious check of who works in corporate America and who doesn't. Tucker violated every single thing that is instructed for you not to do with 3P vendors.
He coached at Nebraska and has been toiling at “substandard” (for lack of a better word) jobs throughout his career. If a chance to get back up to that stage of a kind of Nebraska presents itself, I wouldn’t assume he wouldnt take it. He’s older and it could be a highlight to his career.
Harassment for better or worse is very much open to interpretation - if one of the parties is made to feel uncomfortable, you have a potential harassment case. Though it may be hard to prove at times, it doesn't take much to open a case....or in this case have the presumption of guilt/poor choices in Tucker's case sink him. We now have a he said/she said case with the only thing definite is that Tucker made some poor choices which A LOT of people do unfortunately without any repercussions concerning their job. Whether there was actual harassment on Tucker's end we may never know.
Tucker's people probably come in asking for 60%-70% - Mich. State counters at 10%. They meet somewhere at 20%-25%. I can't see only a couple of million out of this - he will end up with $15-$20 million.
Until Jim Everett choked him on the air for calling him Chris.
Not a choking. This video talks about it, but I was distracted, but shows the incident at end.
Dickert is an unfortunate name for a coach to go to a school that just got rid of a coach for you know.
Fleck? Really? OK. Spartans rowed triremes.
