OT: Missing Titanic Sub
- Thread starter Mikemarc
- Start date
Just this thread?
I guess he didn't see the 95 Collapse thread before it was cleaned up. Lots of ******** on here.
"Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale, a tale of a woke *** twit,
Who took his clients money, then he squished their *** to bits....."
too early lol
Who took his clients money, then he squished their *** to bits....."
too early lol
A monument to man's hubris floating next to another monument to man's hubris, I guess.
At 13,000' the pressure is nearly 400 atmospheres or about 5800 psi.
Submarine hatches do seal in place, opening outward and shaped rather like a cork. They can only be opened from the inside (security measure) but when they're "dogged" shut the seal is as watertight as it needs to be for a vessel whose operating depth is less than 5% of the depth of the Titanic.
Politics is boring but to me this is really an issue of seriousness. You either respect mother nature enough or you don't and if you don't there seems to often be a reckoning. Contrast the videos of this ceo, the craft itself etc with something like this. To me it is night and day the level of seriously trying to derisk a situation as best you can. Sadly to me these folks picked the wrong horse.
Today is Thursday but Navy sonar heard the implosion Sunday and didn't say anything???
I fine with not giving it to the press until totally confirmed. Unforgivable if they didn't pass it onto the families quietly
I was glad to hear their deaths were instant, suffocating at the bottom of the cold sea would have been just a horrific way to die.
Here especially . These people are husbands , sons , fathers, uncles, friends .
The SOSUS nets are (and have been for decades) the absolute worst-kept Top Secret asset of all time.
I think the probability experts out there have known this was over for days. They probably knew it too but couldn’t confirm until they found evidence
Nobody, any country, listens to undersea noise 24/7. It recorded and available on events like this. The crew of the submarine didn't report the disconnect communication for 12 hours so the Navy and Coast Guard were playing catch up. The Navy and CG new days ago but waited for confirmation to announce publicly. Explains why they didn't want the British sub to come. They have known the outcome for days.
Cameron compares sub to Titanic.
In both cases careless stewardship invited needless tragedy.
Personally I'm glad Navy wasn't involved.
The dive in international waters allowed for cut corners.
If people want to go miles down into the dark deep in a hooptie sub they should do it not expecting to put rescuers at risk.
Plus Navy ships crash into each other despite mutual detection two hours away.
"As a design weakness in the Titan submersible and a possible cautionary sign to its passengers, Mr. Cameron cited its construction with carbon-fiber composites. The materials are used widely in the aerospace industry because they weigh much less than steel or aluminum, yet pound for pound are stronger and stiffer. The problem, Mr. Cameron said, is that a carbon-fiber composite has “no strength in compression”— which happens as an undersea vehicle plunges ever deeper into the abyss and faces soaring increases in water pressure. “It’s not what it’s designed for.”
In both cases careless stewardship invited needless tragedy.
Personally I'm glad Navy wasn't involved.
The dive in international waters allowed for cut corners.
If people want to go miles down into the dark deep in a hooptie sub they should do it not expecting to put rescuers at risk.
Plus Navy ships crash into each other despite mutual detection two hours away.
"As a design weakness in the Titan submersible and a possible cautionary sign to its passengers, Mr. Cameron cited its construction with carbon-fiber composites. The materials are used widely in the aerospace industry because they weigh much less than steel or aluminum, yet pound for pound are stronger and stiffer. The problem, Mr. Cameron said, is that a carbon-fiber composite has “no strength in compression”— which happens as an undersea vehicle plunges ever deeper into the abyss and faces soaring increases in water pressure. “It’s not what it’s designed for.”
Last edited:
Exactly right... carbon fiber composites are used for their tensile strength (fan blades for example), not for parts that experience compressive forces. That's really fundamental. I was assuming the actual pressure vessel had a metal body... i cant fathom the possibility the actual chamber was relying on carbon fiber.
My belief is that the CF as a structural member was fine. I'm interested in the flanges between the CF cylinder and the titanium end caps. Seems to me those two substances would have different compression rates as pressure increases. I'm wondering how you bond that flange without stressing it with every dive.
Engaging in an activity where basically zero percent of the population has ever gone, at depths almost 400x the atmospheric pressure, in vessels which only a dozen vessels in the world can transport passengers, and in one not designed or certified for those depths isnt extreme??? Hold on a second.
Hadn’t that submersible been down to the Titanic twice already?
I think they said like 12 times over the last 2 years. Each time is probably additional stress on the structure and are they doing proper maintenance checks all along? I don't know.
As a customer and passenger?Engaging in an activity where basically zero percent of the population has ever gone, at depths almost 400x the atmospheric pressure, in vessels which only a dozen vessels in the world can transport passengers, and in one not designed or certified for those depths isnt extreme??? Hold on a second.
Maybe for you.
Watch this interview with James Cameron about it. He explains in a simple way why it doesn’t work. Essentially that over time the water itself breaks down carbon composite material.
lots of you slept through science and common sense classes I see
There are lots of noises in the ocean. Most experts think it was the ships on the surface.
Rescuing folks in peril is realistically their entire reason for existing. Same as first responders on land.
People crack me up with this who's paying nonsense. We're you all OK with mobilising every asset on the east coast to find JFK Jr's plane when he decided to fly in a plane and conditions he was not qualified for?
I saw it first hand. You would have thought Martha's Vinyard was being invaded.
Be consistent folks
People really think the Navy is going to have to ask congress for additional funding to pay this magical bill
Yeah this is probably the key. When you go rock climbing you are supposed to count every time you fall, and when you have fallen a certain amount of times you have to suck it up and buy a new rope, since the rope is only proven to withstand the pressure a certain number of times. This sub was clearly able to withstand the pressure a certain number of times....
the good thing is that while they may have known something was wrong with the sub, they certainly felt no pain or even knew the implosion happened. The speed of the implosion at those depths is much faster than the 25milliseconds it takes for your brain to process something.
saving grace I suppose
saving grace I suppose
The biggest flaw was hubris. Carbon composite failure will be to blame, but it was the excessive pride and arrogance of the leadership team that lead to this tragedy.
Last edited:
I agree with him that carbon fiber is not the correct material for a vessel exposed to compressive forces.
That said, I AM NOT going to base any life and death decisions based on what James Cameron says. There are far better qualified folks to ask these questions.
The news articles all report that the implosion detection wasn't considered definitive enough to halt the search. However, I suspect the Navy was certain early on, but was hesitant to reveal that they knew because doing so would lead to questions about intelligence capabilities.
We'll probably never know this, or many other details, for sure. But if the Navy was confident in what it now says it heard (the implosion) and confident that it could only be the submersible causing that sound, then that would explain the US telling the British recovery vehicle to stand down rather than deploy to the area.
The existence of US underwater detection capabilities is, as @RU4Real said earlier, an open secret. But the exact details of that capabilities are not something we want to advertise. I imagine lots of higher-level discussions took place about what could be publicly disclosed and when.
IMO, the US probably shouldn't have given out the information that they heard the implosion at all. Not even to the onsite search team. The debris would eventually be found anyway. National security trumps easing the uncertainty of the victim's families. And national security priorities dwarf the public's desire to "know stuff" about such events.
We'll probably never know this, or many other details, for sure. But if the Navy was confident in what it now says it heard (the implosion) and confident that it could only be the submersible causing that sound, then that would explain the US telling the British recovery vehicle to stand down rather than deploy to the area.
The existence of US underwater detection capabilities is, as @RU4Real said earlier, an open secret. But the exact details of that capabilities are not something we want to advertise. I imagine lots of higher-level discussions took place about what could be publicly disclosed and when.
IMO, the US probably shouldn't have given out the information that they heard the implosion at all. Not even to the onsite search team. The debris would eventually be found anyway. National security trumps easing the uncertainty of the victim's families. And national security priorities dwarf the public's desire to "know stuff" about such events.
Last edited:
But he directed The Abyss! He's gotta be an expert, right?
well those folks weren't on scene due to diversity considerations
aside from gluing the CF to the hull, manually ratcheting the tube shut, nothing being certified or going through any kind of QA, and the litany of other issues one could describe, no one needs James Cameron to say 'don't do this' ha
all deep dive submersibles go through vast checks on a schedule and it's clear this didn't happen here. The hubris and lack of situational awareness here is astounding. This is an epic fail on so many levels and yet, seemingly intelligent persons paid larges sums to do this. mind blowing
going to the moon is easier than diving the depths of the oceans
You have a list of all the people "on scene" and their qualifications, do you? No? Didn't think so.