OT: New York Mets 2025-2026 Off Season Thread

[cubuffsdoug_rivals]

Strongly disagree with second sentence. Scott Boras is the best in the world at what he does. He did not get to be the best in the world by holding grudges.

Nothing personal, just business.

Maybe it's different in baseball and it's been 30 years since I had an agent, but back then you jockeyed you clients to certain team when one client got screwed. It wasn't personal, but it was a to express yourself. People have feelings even when it's just business.

 

[RUBob75]

We are finally dismantling this team as it should have been done a few years ago. I don't know if Stearns' plan will work, but the previous team was definitely not working. No need to overpay Diaz and Alonso to get the same results. Time for a new approach and I welcome the change.

Are you saying that Diaz and Alonso's resuts weren't good? I totally disagree!

 

[cubuffsdoug_rivals]

We are finally dismantling this team as it should have been done a few years ago. I don't know if Stearns' plan will work, but the previous team was definitely not working. No need to overpay Diaz and Alonso to get the same results. Time for a new approach and I welcome the change.

Diaz and Alonso weren't the problem. Being cheap on pitching and not getting quality players outside of the stars. That back third of the batting order was not MLB quality. Too much analytics and thinking how much smarter you are than everyone else.

Had Stearns invested in one or two quality pitchers, we're not having this discussion. Stearns was more concerned with quantity than quality. The pitching lab can't fix everyone.

 

[RUBob75]

I think it is a matter of Stearn's huge ego! He tries to make moves on the cheap, that if they work it makes him look like a genius. Regrettably, they have not!!

 

[yesrutgers01]

We are finally dismantling this team as it should have been done a few years ago. I don't know if Stearns' plan will work, but the previous team was definitely not working. No need to overpay Diaz and Alonso to get the same results. Time for a new approach and I welcome the change.

Maybe it's different in baseball and it's been 30 years since I had an agent, but back then you jockeyed you clients to certain team when one client got screwed. It wasn't personal, but it was a to express yourself. People have feelings even when it's just business.

Are you saying that Diaz and Alonso's resuts weren't good? I totally disagree!

Diaz and Alonso weren't the problem. Being cheap on pitching and not getting quality players outside of the stars. That back third of the batting order was not MLB quality. Too much analytics and thinking how much smarter you are than everyone else.

Had Stearns invested in one or two quality pitchers, we're not having this discussion. Stearns was more concerned with quantity than quality. The pitching lab can't fix everyone.

This is what is pissing us off. It was not Pete or Diaz
So, what pisses us off…I don’t think Stearns can shut that smirk off. He also sees players as commodities but makes us feel that a player shouldn’t resent that? Guys like Pete and Diaz have bled Met’s for years, the Mets have @@@@ed with Pete for 2 years…but he is to still have that love back? Diaz it really sounds like he just wanted the front office to show it. But Stearns is like you all fantasy managers and sports bettors. And you don’t all actually see a real person. Stearns strikes as that type. Why would Diaz or Alonso sign with this guy?
unless you only want gunslingers and controllable players, Mr smirkface isn’t your guy

 

[Mr. Magoo1]

Smart move by the Mets. Fat Pete is destined to become Chris Davis 2.0. As such, Baltimore is the perfect place for him.

He has under a 4 War and a -1.8 defensive War, I’m ok with losing him, especially for that price. He’s a DH anyway. I’m frustrated with losing Diaz. Regardless, Stearns better have something up his sleeve. I dont think Vientos is the answer at 1st and like Darling said, they set themselves up to watch Soto walk 150 times.

 

[WhiteBus]

Never made a formal offer ???

Why is this a surprise?? Despite the fans wanting him back the organization literally from day 1 has never been enamored with him.

 

[Leonard23]

 

[cubuffsdoug_rivals]

Stearns didn't value Alonso and Diaz to a lesser degree. Why not trade them during the season to get something of value in return?

 

[cubuffsdoug_rivals]

Mr. and Mrs. Mets sign with the Dodgers.

 

[RutgersNJ]

At least he didn't go cross town to stick it in our face.

 

[shields]

Stearns stinks. Thinks he is so smart.

 

[Knight Shift]

Stearns stinks. Thinks he is so smart.

 

[cubuffsdoug_rivals]

Nt

 

[cubuffsdoug_rivals]

 

[yesrutgers01]

So- I am sure I will miss some but since Stearns has been here -only going with players that move the needle...I am just not seeing a genius at work.
He has signed or traded for :
Severino, Houser/Taylor, Manaea 1.0, Bader, Torrens, Maton, Holmes, J Soto, Diaz 1.0, Winker, Mintor, Alonso 1.0, Raley, T Rogers, G Soto
Ottavino, JD Martinez, Stanek, Blackburn, Siri, Montas, Manaea 2.0, Mullins

And now- Semien, Williams
Lose Nimmo, Alonso, Diaz

 

[Doctor Worm]

 

[gmay8]

Small-Market Stearns still sitting on his hands letting our best leave and not bringing in any others.

 

[yesrutgers01]

Let me see- Dodgers plug their only hole, Phillies spend big to keep their power, Braves get better and we got an old 2B that we don't know if he can hit anymore and a closer who we don't know if he can pitch anymore. Lose our power, lose the best closer in baseball and lose a LF who just had his best hitting year...
So- why would we now go after someone like Tucker who is going to get $300M or so and not really a great defensive player or Bellinger who is also going to want big bucks?
And why give up the prospects now for a Skubal or Peralta? We are no longer a win now team...

The core that we lost this year had nothing to do with any of our failures. It was Stearns Starting Pitching and his horrendous trades.

 

[RUBob75]

Let me see- Dodgers plug their only hole, Phillies spend big to keep their power, Braves get better and we got an old 2B that we don't know if he can hit anymore and a closer who we don't know if he can pitch anymore. Lose our power, lose the best closer in baseball and lose a LF who just had his best hitting year...
So- why would we now go after someone like Tucker who is going to get $300M or so and not really a great defensive player or Bellinger who is also going to want big bucks?
And why give up the prospects now for a Skubal or Peralta? We are no longer a win now team...

The core that we lost this year had nothing to do with any of our failures. It was Stearns Starting Pitching and his horrendous trades.

If I could like your post multiple times I would!

 

[Zak57]

There's so many things wrong in that post I didn't even know someone could like it once.

 

[yesrutgers01]

There's so many things wrong in that post I didn't even know someone could like it once.

Zak - love your minor league updates...but you are losing me here...What did I say that was wrong? Also- please share your thoughts on how we are becoming a better team in 2026.

I have yet to see a few of you that have this wait and see or blind trust in Stearns, come up with any thought on how we are going to get better with a man who thought it was a genius move to hand Montas 30 mil or so...

 

[yesrutgers01]

BTW- actually a little different...For Pete, I get it, the Met's had no interest, so that doesn't factor in - but going to the Orioles just feels like he wasn't getting many offers at all or just a money grab. Love the guy but is his plan to walk 200 times next year? Why would anyone pitch to him with that lineup.

 

[Zak57]

Zak - love your minor league updates...but you are losing me here...What did I say that was wrong? Also- please share your thoughts on how we are becoming a better team in 2026.

I have yet to see a few of you that have this wait and see or blind trust in Stearns, come up with any thought on how we are going to get better with a man who thought it was a genius move to hand Montas 30 mil or so...

First it wasn't even close to Nimmo's best hitting year and Diaz is not the best closer in baseball.

Again it's December 11 and the roster construction is not even close to complete. If the team looks like this on March 26 then by all means complain and I'd be right there with you. The core of the team was aging and while there might have been another year or two for the window to stay open with these guys Stearns thinks it's prudent to change up the tenor of the team at this point. He wanted Diaz back to close but Diaz was a baby and never even gave the Mets a chance to counter. You may not like it but I guarantee he fields a team next year that matches or most likely beats the 83 wins that this team put on the field last year. Alonso end of year numbers are great and I wanted him back but he was also a part of the problem disappearing for long streteches of the season last year. The team performed better in 24 with an even worse season from Alonso so you can't tell me he's 100% the straw that stirs the drink, he's not.

I agree it was a bad trade deadline for Stearns with the Helsely and Mullins moves but on the flip Rogers and Soto were also in the win column. Montas was most likely hurt the whole time here so who knows how he pitches without that. We don't know so fine put that in a big L column for Stearns. No GM is perfect and it was prudent that the deal was two years and not longer. Everyone wanted Manaea back and he was just as bad because of injury as well. Canning was pitching very well but again he got hurt. He wouldn't have kept up the exact numbers but that was easily looking like a really good move. You never know with pitching which is why Stearns doesn't believe in long term contracts for those guys unless it's a unicorn like Yamamoto. Let's not forget we actually had the highest offer to him but he only wanted to pitch in LA. The reason the season went down the tubes last year was because of injury to our depth pitchers and the top of rotation guys we were counting on like Manaea and Senga pitching totally off base for what they were expected to do and also being hurt on top of that.

 

[Zak57]

BTW- actually a little different...For Pete, I get it, the Met's had no interest, so that doesn't factor in - but going to the Orioles just feels like he wasn't getting many offers at all or just a money grab. Love the guy but is his plan to walk 200 times next year? Why would anyone pitch to him with that lineup.

They're going to have one of the best lineups in baseball. Gunnar Henderson is amazing not to mention a lot of the other younger bats they have. They need pitching help big time.

 

[e5fdny]

While I’m a little disappointed like some of you with regards to what has happened this past few days.

I’m also somewhat with those who says we haven’t won with who is here and those who aren’t here anymore.

That being said…

I’m booked for Spring Training again this year. 3 games at Port St Lucie and two away ones against the Marlins and the Cardinals.

Anyone planning on heading down, let me know…

 

[yesrutgers01]

First it wasn't even close to Nimmo's best hitting year and Diaz is not the best closer in baseball.

Again it's December 11 and the roster construction is not even close to complete. If the team looks like this on March 26 then by all means complain and I'd be right there with you. The core of the team was aging and while there might have been another year or two for the window to stay open with these guys Stearns thinks it's prudent to change up the tenor of the team at this point. He wanted Diaz back to close but Diaz was a baby and never even gave the Mets a chance to counter. You may not like it but I guarantee he fields a team next year that matches or most likely beats the 83 wins that this team put on the field last year. Alonso end of year numbers are great and I wanted him back but he was also a part of the problem disappearing for long streteches of the season last year. The team performed better in 24 with an even worse season from Alonso so you can't tell me he's 100% the straw that stirs the drink, he's not.

I agree it was a bad trade deadline for Stearns with the Helsely and Mullins moves but on the flip Rogers and Soto were also in the win column. Montas was most likely hurt the whole time here so who knows how he pitches without that. We don't know so fine put that in a big L column for Stearns. No GM is perfect and it was prudent that the deal was two years and not longer. Everyone wanted Manaea back and he was just as bad because of injury as well. Canning was pitching very well but again he got hurt. He wouldn't have kept up the exact numbers but that was easily looking like a really good move. You never know with pitching which is why Stearns doesn't believe in long term contracts for those guys unless it's a unicorn like Yamamoto. Let's not forget we actually had the highest offer to him but he only wanted to pitch in LA. The reason the season went down the tubes last year was because of injury to our depth pitchers and the top of rotation guys we were counting on like Manaea and Senga pitching totally off base for what they were expected to do.

So- not even close to Nimmo's best year- his only downside was that his walks were down. but 25 HR, 90RBI were his best and he has now added the SB. @@@ and 23 were also good and you could argue they were better, but to say not close- is just wrong.
OK - maybe Diaz falls into the mount rushmore of current closers playing and not the best- but he is 100% the best available
Alonso-carried this team on his back most of the season. In 2024, he did not have what we would consider a great year but we won more because the starting pitching was much better. Using Pete as an analogy for these two years is just trying to find an excuse and not close to the true reflection of his contribution.
Diaz is only considered being a baby to the younger fans who live by the world of just looking at players as commodity. He is not being a baby if you look at him as a human. And even in sports- humans do value some sort of appreciation. And that could have sold him into staying. Stearns- way of doing things is going to make many more players give 2nd thoughts on player here.
I am ok with signing Manaea back as you really cant do anything about the injury and he had proven himself. But Montas and the money he got. There is no way to defend that at all.

I am glad you feel we will be better and I hope we are...I just can't see who can improve us enough to say that. Williams better turn out to be pre 25 Williams, Semien needs to find his bat, we still need 1B, LF, CF, DH and pitching up the wazoo

Like I said- the guy needs to field a team better then the Phils and Braves as well as the Dodgers.

 

[cubuffsdoug_rivals]

Let me see- Dodgers plug their only hole, Phillies spend big to keep their power, Braves get better and we got an old 2B that we don't know if he can hit anymore and a closer who we don't know if he can pitch anymore. Lose our power, lose the best closer in baseball and lose a LF who just had his best hitting year...
So- why would we now go after someone like Tucker who is going to get $300M or so and not really a great defensive player or Bellinger who is also going to want big bucks?
And why give up the prospects now for a Skubal or Peralta? We are no longer a win now team...

The core that we lost this year had nothing to do with any of our failures. It was Stearns Starting Pitching and his horrendous trades.

How is Stearns getting a pass? I'm seeing podcast after podcast blame Diaz, Alonso, and Nimmo for the Mets' failures. It's been Pitching, pitching, and pitching if I didn't mention it before.

 

[yesrutgers01]

They're going to have one of the best lineups in baseball. Gunnar Henderson is amazing not to mention a lot of the other younger bats they have. They need pitching help big time.

Actually forgot they went and got T Ward- that is a good proven bat. Gunnar - can be good but what a down year. The rest of them are such unknown factors.

 

[cubuffsdoug_rivals]

While I’m a little disappointed like some of you with regards to what has happened this past few days.

I’m also somewhat with those who says we haven’t won with who is here and those who aren’t here anymore.

That being said…

I’m booked for Spring Training again this year. 3 games at Port St Lucie and two away ones against the Marlins and the Cardinals.

Anyone planning on heading down, let me know…

The Mets didn't win with them? Look at it this way. As great as Raymond and Duff were for Rutgers this year, we didn't win (enough) with them, so should we let them walk in the transfer portal? Surely there are average players out there who can make the team better. Or address the real problem such as pitching for the Mets & defense for Rutgers.

 

[Zak57]

So- not even close to Nimmo's best year- his only downside was that his walks were down. but 25 HR, 90RBI were his best and he has now added the SB. @@@ and 23 were also good and you could argue they were better, but to say not close- is just wrong.
OK - maybe Diaz falls into the mount rushmore of current closers playing and not the best- but he is 100% the best available
Alonso-carried this team on his back most of the season. In 2024, he did not have what we would consider a great year but we won more because the starting pitching was much better. Using Pete as an analogy for these two years is just trying to find an excuse and not close to the true reflection of his contribution.
Diaz is only considered being a baby to the younger fans who live by the world of just looking at players as commodity. He is not being a baby if you look at him as a human. And even in sports- humans do value some sort of appreciation. And that could have sold him into staying. Stearns- way of doing things is going to make many more players give 2nd thoughts on player here.
I am ok with signing Manaea back as you really cant do anything about the injury and he had proven himself. But Montas and the money he got. There is no way to defend that at all.

I am glad you feel we will be better and I hope we are...I just can't see who can improve us enough to say that. Williams better turn out to be pre 25 Williams, Semien needs to find his bat, we still need 1B, LF, CF, DH and pitching up the wazoo

Like I said- the guy needs to field a team better then the Phils and Braves as well as the Dodgers.

Using OPS+ as the barometer this was Nimmo's 7th best season. Not even close to being his best. His excellent OBP skill earlier in his career to what it is now is being hugely discounted by you. It was his best trait and while he has replaced it with some more power it doesn't fully cover what he's lost not to mention the declining health which is not getting any better over the next 5 years of the contract Eppler gave him. Year and then OPS+ in (). 17 (115) 18 (148) 19 (111) 20 (145) 21 (131) 22 (130) 23 (128) 24 (106) 25 (114).

Sure I will give you that he was one of the best 5 best closers on the market this season. He's had many up and down years but again Stearns did want him back but if the player wants to leave there's not much he can do about it. The entitlement from him to think the GM has to call him before signing a FA who would have pitched behind him is frankly a little ridiculous. They clearly did appreciate Diaz because after he ripped up his current deal the Mets did offer him more money AAV to stay. They also did communicate to him that he could come back to counter if another team offered him more. He heard great things about LA from his brother and they offered him basically the same deal. Combine that with some made up personal issue he felt so he left. That's his right and who wouldn't want to ring chase in LA?

We are clearly worse off right now than previous two seasons as of today Dec 11 but I'll say it until Opening Day that this is not the finished roster. There are a lot of avenues to still improve be it free agency and trade. We have a lot of extra money freed up now and a farm system to deliver some assets.

Yes he does but no one is fielding a better team than the Dodgers and the franchise had a massive head start to get to the point they are at now. Philly isn't better as of now they haven't done anything except re-sign one of their hitters. Braves still have a great roster and they will be in the fight. It's not an easy division. We want a sustainable winner like the Dodgers and this is only Stearns 3rd year. He tried to win with the core we had and had one good year doing that and one bad. This is the off-season where he will be really putting his mark on the team and we can judge at the start of the season when the team takes the field.

 

[cubuffsdoug_rivals]

So- not even close to Nimmo's best year- his only downside was that his walks were down. but 25 HR, 90RBI were his best and he has now added the SB. @@@ and 23 were also good and you could argue they were better, but to say not close- is just wrong.
OK - maybe Diaz falls into the mount rushmore of current closers playing and not the best- but he is 100% the best available
Alonso-carried this team on his back most of the season. In 2024, he did not have what we would consider a great year but we won more because the starting pitching was much better. Using Pete as an analogy for these two years is just trying to find an excuse and not close to the true reflection of his contribution.
Diaz is only considered being a baby to the younger fans who live by the world of just looking at players as commodity. He is not being a baby if you look at him as a human. And even in sports- humans do value some sort of appreciation. And that could have sold him into staying. Stearns- way of doing things is going to make many more players give 2nd thoughts on player here.
I am ok with signing Manaea back as you really cant do anything about the injury and he had proven himself. But Montas and the money he got. There is no way to defend that at all.

I am glad you feel we will be better and I hope we are...I just can't see who can improve us enough to say that. Williams better turn out to be pre 25 Williams, Semien needs to find his bat, we still need 1B, LF, CF, DH and pitching up the wazoo

Like I said- the guy needs to field a team better then the Phils and Braves as well as the Dodgers.

I agree with you that younger generations see players as potential fantasy points rather than as humans. In the most cerebral of sports, the game is still based around emotions/ego. Diaz was within his rights emotionally to react as he did. The Mets signed another high-leverage closer, while saying they want him back, but making little effort to re-sign him.

Alonso is a scapegoat for Stearns's failures in addressing the pitching staff. It's a distraction to take heat off of him when his pitching lab and signing failed. It's Stearns' small (Moneyball) market approach that is holding him back. Also, his attitude of being more intelligent than everyone. Moneyball is okay, but when you have an owner with deep pockets, sometimes you have to flex just to remind the rest of the league this isn't the Coupons anymore.

The only way Stearns improves this team is through trades, which will deplete the minor leagues. Doesn't that go against his philosophy of building and maintaining a strong minor league system?

Bottom line: Stearns is a contradiction to Cohen. Stearns will not spend a penny on anything, whereas Cohen will if he deems it important.

 

[yesrutgers01]

Using OPS+ as the barometer this was Nimmo's 7th best season. Not even close to being his best. His excellent OBP skill earlier in his career to what it is now is being hugely discounted by you. It was his best trait and while he has replaced it with some more power it doesn't fully cover what he's lost not to mention the declining health which is not getting any better over the next 5 years of the contract Eppler gave him. Year and then OPS+ in (). 17 (115) 18 (148) 19 (111) 20 (145) 21 (131) 22 (130) 23 (128) 24 (106) 25 (114).

Sure I will give you that he was one of the best 5 best closers on the market this season. He's had many up and down years but again Stearns did want him back but if the player wants to leave there's not much he can do about it. The entitlement from him to think the GM has to call him before signing a FA who would have pitched behind him is frankly a little ridiculous. They clearly did appreciate Diaz because after he ripped up his current deal the Mets did offer him more money AAV to stay. They also did communicate to him that he could come back to counter if another team offered him more. He heard great things about LA from his brother and they offered him basically the same deal. Combine that with some made up personal issue he felt so he left. That's his right and who wouldn't want to ring chase in LA?

We are clearly worse off right now than previous two seasons as of today Dec 11 but I'll say it until Opening Day that this is not the finished roster. There are a lot of avenues to still improve be it free agency and trade. We have a lot of extra money freed up now and a farm system to deliver some assets.

Yes he does but no one is fielding a better team than the Dodgers and the franchise had a massive head start to get to the point they are at now. Philly isn't better as of now they haven't done anything except re-sign one of their hitters. Braves still have a great roster and they will be in the fight. It's not an easy division. We want a sustainable winner like the Dodgers and this is only Stearns 3rd year. He tried to win with the core we had and had one good year doing that and one bad. This is the off-season where he will be really putting his mark on the team and we can judge at the start of the season when the team takes the field.

I still just go back to being a long time baseball person and go by what I see with hitters- OPS+ and any of the advanced stuff doesn't do anything for me. Give me the BA, runs, XBH's/HR, RBI - Nimmo has only 5 seasons with over 500 AB's - so- the worst the season could be is his 5th best.
Diaz in the top 5 available on the market - you gotta help me on the 4 on the market this year are...

 

[yesrutgers01]

I agree with you that younger generations see players as potential fantasy points rather than as humans. In the most cerebral of sports, the game is still based around emotions/ego. Diaz was within his rights emotionally to react as he did. The Mets signed another high-leverage closer, while saying they want him back, but making little effort to re-sign him.

Alonso is a scapegoat for Stearns's failures in addressing the pitching staff. It's a distraction to take heat off of him when his pitching lab and signing failed. It's Stearns' small (Moneyball) market approach that is holding him back. Also, his attitude of being more intelligent than everyone. Moneyball is okay, but when you have an owner with deep pockets, sometimes you have to flex just to remind the rest of the league this isn't the Coupons anymore.

The only way Stearns improves this team is through trades, which will deplete the minor leagues. Doesn't that go against his philosophy of building and maintaining a strong minor league system?

Bottom line: Stearns is a contradiction to Cohen. Stearns will not spend a penny on anything, whereas Cohen will if he deems it important.

THIS^^^^^^ and last year, he depleted the 2nd level of prospects in his trade deadline moves. I give him some credit that he didn't give up the top guys but he will have to this year if he plans on bring top value back.
You hit the nail on the head with Alonso - Stearns didn't want him back last year and I almost bet there was a part of him that hoped Pete proved him right and failed. But Pete came back with a great year and Stearns had to make up something new.

 

[cubuffsdoug_rivals]

Why do people keep saying the CORE of the Mets was the problem? 2024 was great because pitching showed up and blended well with the offense, allowing the team to go on a run. In 2025, pitching sucked and cost the Mets at least 8 games where they had the lead courtesy of the offense. Boy genius wants to blame the core players for the failures, when the facts point to the Mets over the last 5 years screwing up the pitching staff. Either overpay for aging players or nickel-and-dime bad pitchers, hoping the pitching lab can correct their problems. FYI: Moneyball does well to keep small markets competitive during the season and nothing else. Fantasy league stats and newly made-up stats don't win when games are on the line. Have the pencil pushers come up with a stat to judge courage or nerves in big games? Even the best players can sh*t the bed in big moments when every metric says otherwise.

 

[Zak57]

I still just go back to being a long time baseball person and go by what I see with hitters- OPS+ and any of the advanced stuff doesn't do anything for me. Give me the BA, runs, XBH's/HR, RBI - Nimmo has only 5 seasons with over 500 AB's - so- the worst the season could be is his 5th best.
Diaz in the top 5 available on the market - you gotta help me on the 4 on the market this year are...

I'm not saying this to be mean so please don't take it that way so it's fine how you want to look at it that way but when we have better metrics to clearly determine player value it can't just be discounted because you don't like it. I don't even think OPS+ is the best but it is an easy way to show someone how seasons stack up. Ignore that if you like but I will call you out if the numbers suggest a different reality than you're painting.

Using 2024 and 2025 to get a larger sample size most had it no order Diaz, Williams, Iglesias, Suarez, and Helsley. RPs are so volatile I try to look at with a larger sample. Everyone thought the Dodgers were geniuses adding all those RPs last year and look at how that turned out including Tanner Scott. It would surprise me none if Scott eneded up having a similar 24 season and then Diaz falling back a bit again. It seems like he alternates between great seasons and fine seasons. The volatility is crazy from season to season for all RPs.

 

[gmay8]

While I’m a little disappointed like some of you with regards to what has happened this past few days.

I’m also somewhat with those who says we haven’t won with who is here and those who aren’t here anymore.

That being said…

I’m booked for Spring Training again this year. 3 games at Port St Lucie and two away ones against the Marlins and the Cardinals.

Anyone planning on heading down, let me know…

Nice, Port St. Lucie and Spring Training is great.... the best news, is you can be at the big league field, or one of the smaller back minor league fields, and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference in what you're watching

 

[yesrutgers01]

I'm not saying this to be mean so please don't take it that way so it's fine how you want to look at it that way but when we have better metrics to clearly determine player value it can't just be discounted because you don't like it. I don't even think OPS+ is the best but it is an easy way to show someone how seasons stack up. Ignore that if you like but I will call you out if the numbers suggest a different reality than you're painting.

Using 2024 and 2025 to get a larger sample size most had it no order Diaz, Williams, Iglesias, Suarez, and Helsley. RPs are so volatile I try to look at with a larger sample. Everyone thought the Dodgers were geniuses adding all those RPs last year and look at how that turned out including Tanner Scott. It would surprise me none if Scott eneded up having a similar 24 season and then Diaz falling back a bit again. It seems like he alternates between great seasons and fine seasons. The volatility is crazy from season to season for all RPs.

OK- so OPS+ Not to sound mean but I believe I will call you out. The first set of stats is from his best full season of OPS+ and the 2nd set is this year...I take this year over his top OPS+ year every single time...please try to show us old timers otherwise. BTW - The OPS+ for the first line is higher than any single season OPS+ that Alonso has ever had.

77 runs, 17 HR, 47 RBI 9 SB but caught 8 times and a .263 BA and 80 walks

81 runs, 25 HR 92 RBI 13 SB but caught only 1 time and .262 BA and 50 walks

 

[Zak57]

YES you're discounting his OBP. He was elite at it. RBI and R are partly team dependent. Yes Nimmos 2018 in context of that season was that great and as we see per his other years also a bit of an outlier. I included the COVID year but we can really throw that out. OPS+ helps to use what's going on around the league in that season and throws in park factors as well.

 

[yesrutgers01]

YES you're discounting his OBP. He was elite at it. RBI and R are partly team dependent. Yes Nimmos 2018 in context of that season was that great and as we see per his other years also a bit of an outlier. I included the COVID year but we can really throw that out. OPS+ helps to use what's going on around the league in that season and throws in park factors as well.

Please explain how that first set of stats is a better offensive season than any that Pete Alonso has ever had??? After this- I just give up.