OT: New York Mets 2025-2026 Off Season Thread

Zak57

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Flood got a BE Championship his first year.,,

And no- not all that many fans are happy in who he decided were the ones to turn the page with when he brings back players that are older and frankly, except for “possibly” Semien, better.

and if you haven’t heard anything from those players, then you really are just not listening.
And if you are around sports long enough, then “unsaid” is usually what speaks loudest.

I have been around enough players who often let the unsaid just speak for itself.

I have already said, let him prove me wrong and I hope he does. But don’t point to a year 1. And we know he failed last year and outside of contracts- please share how any of the big three that are gone had anything to do with it. Maybe without Montas, we would have had the money for Alonso/ but, oh wait, Alonso- Run prevention. And yet, one of tge best in baseball in scoops. And tge fing guy never misses a game and good for 110+ RBI.

I think I just don’t see your love for Stearns. And the obvious thing with Stearns- he f-ing lies outright to the fanbase and he wants players he never has to pay a 2nd contract to.
This isn't Rutgers football the comparisons don't hold any water. Flood won in like a 4 way tie anyway if I remember correctly.

You have only conjecture then so no comment on that.
 

Colbert17!

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Michael King re signs with the Padres on a three year deal. However he has opt outs available years 2 and 3.
Feel a little better about next year now.

 

knightinaz

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Michael King re signs with the Padres on a three year deal. However he has opt outs available years 2 and 3.
Feel a little better about next year now.

This one doesn’t make sense.
Rumors were he would get 4 years and he essentially ends up with a 1 year deal at the qualifying offer?
I guess the market that he expected just wasn’t there.
Not sure what that means for other starters like Valdez. Maybe he ends up with a shorter term deal too?
 

yesrutgers01

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This isn't Rutgers football the comparisons don't hold any water. Flood won in like a 4 way tie anyway if I remember correctly.

You have only conjecture then so no comment on that.
We just aren't going to agree. I am giving Stearns a shot here but it is deep playoffs or bust in 2026. That is what he is here for. If he keeps with his plan and he gets us there- I will gladly tell you that all his moves had great purpose. You say I only have conjecture but I am not seeing what it is that you are going by because Stearns has pretty much failed up to this point.

But, I will see if his advanced analytics are the way to win. I am open to that.
 

yesrutgers01

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This one doesn’t make sense.
Rumors were he would get 4 years and he essentially ends up with a 1 year deal at the qualifying offer?
I guess the market that he expected just wasn’t there.
Not sure what that means for other starters like Valdez. Maybe he ends up with a shorter term deal too?
It has been a few strange years for free agents- and what I have seen so far- when teams bring these guys on with the 3 year with opt outs after the first one- they almost never come back the following year. And then fans ***** about players not being loyal.

I know GM's are trying to really tighten the purse strings and it makes sense for business- but, it really kind of sucks for fans too as baseball is one of the last sports that thrives in the romanticism of cheering for both your team and favorite players.
 

willisneverrana43

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. . . I am giving Stearns a shot here but it is deep playoffs or bust in 2026. . . .
Fortunately, you’re not the guy who gives him a shot, and so there’s no chance that what you’re proposing in the scenario that you created will happen.

I’m guessing that Stearns will be here for a while, possibly a very long time.

I’ll hang up now and listen to you talk.
 

willisneverrana43

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So, let me get this straight if a player was good but only signed for a year it doesn't count but if a player was bad and also only signed or played for less than a year that counts as a bad move?

The moves at the break didn't work how many at the time the deals were made said the trades were awful? Its baseball, sometimes players don't perform if I recall Helsey, and Mullins were decent about until that point. Year 1 good, Year 2 bad. Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. I think he still gets 2 more years at least, Cohen didn't wait 3 years for Stearns to become available just to fire him at the first sign of adversity.
Agreed. I’m sure that Stearns wants to get the system to a place where multiple mid-season moves are unnecessary. Mid season trades have always been a volatile way to make it to the postseason. Fans remember when it worked and believe it can be done that way every year. It’s much more viable for attempting to fine-tune a strong contender, not fixing entire aspects of the team. If you’re paying close attention, you’ll see that Stearns is working to reshape the system and the MLB roster. It doesn’t happen overnight, and just saying that Steve Cohen has a lot of money isn’t the answer either.

Thoughtful fans—and I know the term comes from fanatics—can see it. More importantly, here they see that looong history of impressive success that Stearns had at Milwaukee, and how hard Milwaukee fought to keep him from the Mets, and they understand that we have a really good one.

If the Mets fired Stearns, he would have a list of lucrative choices to go elsewhere.

P.s. There's no chance that they fire him. The Mets owner is no dummy. He waited for years to get Stearns. He knows what he's got.
 
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yesrutgers01

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LOL you're one of the idiots I suppose.


Again, we will all wait to see how this goes...there really is no other choice and only hope he really does have a plan. Because, outside of yourself and a handful of others- no one is seeing it. Heck- listen to guys like Darling and Hernandez who seem a little lost on the direction as well.

The real issue- is everything that comes out of Stearns ends up being complete BS. And he gives that smartest guy in the room smirk.

I have not seen a single thing to be able to say he has improved the team this year while also being fiscally responsible, All anyone is able to say to this point, is that there is a lot of off-season to go.
 

willisneverrana43

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Again, we will all wait to see how this goes...there really is no other choice and only hope he really does have a plan. Because, outside of yourself and a handful of others- no one is seeing it. Heck- listen to guys like Darling and Hernandez who seem a little lost on the direction as well. . . .
Who exactly among the people you’ve chosen to listen to has ever run a front office or been hired for real money to do that? It’s a very exclusive club, and the club of those who have been successful at it is even more exclusive.

So you’re listening to all these other people who have you on the ledge. And the one guy who’s been speaking who has actually done this job for years and been highly successful at it, you’re railing at and calling a BS artist.

You get to do this, of course. But you should at least understand that it’s just free floating hostility churned up by consulting the very sources whose only goal Is to keep you coming back. Enjoy, if this is how! you want to spend your free time. It’s a free country.
 
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yesrutgers01

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Who exactly among the people you’ve chosen to listen to has ever run a front office or been hired for real money to do that? It’s a very exclusive club, and the club of those who have been successful at it is even more exclusive.

So you’re listening to all these other people who have you on the ledge. And the one guy who’s been speaking who has actually done this job for years and been highly successful at it, you’re railing at and calling a BS artist.

You get to do this, of course. But you should at least understand that it’s just free floating hostility churned up by consulting the very sources whose only goal Is to keep you coming back. Enjoy, if this is how! you want to spend your free time. It’s a free country.
Mrs Stearns, I don't care that he turned Milwaukee into a 85-95 win team...that is the minimum any GM should do. So- you want us fans to stop listening to people who are much closer to it then either you and I...and yet, we have not seen any results to the positive. He took a team to 100 wins in year one- Well, that was not the team he built. And he then takes this 102 win team and misses the playoffs the next year because he had no idea how to find pitching. Thought the few minor moves he made the prior year where everything went almost perfect, and thought it would just happen again and then he screws it up even worse at the trade deadline.
I hope I am wrong but I am fully allowed to be very skeptical. And we have more basis on skepticism then you have to be positive he has a plan- We hear what he says and then we hear again when we find out that he was talking **** the whole time.
Up to now- he has sucked as our GM.
 
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willisneverrana43

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. . . he had no idea how to find pitching . . .
Yet somehow found it in little ol' Milwaukee. Repeatedly. (I'll use this as my only example.)

You're not just off them, your clearly not even interested in the rails. Continue to keep on. I've watched it for a couple of weeks (not just from you), and maybe I'll watch some more. It's just not really a compelling discussion.
 

yesrutgers01

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Yet somehow found it in little ol' Milwaukee. Repeatedly. (I'll use this as my only example.)

You're not just off them, your clearly not even interested in the rails. Continue to keep on. I've watched it for a couple of weeks (not just from you), and maybe I'll watch some more. It's just not really a compelling discussion.
he had quite a few years with team era over 4 and 2024 and 2025 were a couple of the Brewers best years. He did come up with a couple of good ones with Burns, Peralta and Woodruff. Except that Woodruft and Peralta were already in their system before Stearns.

I am glad he get a good year from Seve and has gotten Manaea 50% ok... But his miss's are drastic so far
 

Zak57

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he had quite a few years with team era over 4 and 2024 and 2025 were a couple of the Brewers best years. He did come up with a couple of good ones with Burns, Peralta and Woodruff. Except that Woodruft and Peralta were already in their system before Stearns.

I am glad he get a good year from Seve and has gotten Manaea 50% ok... But his miss's are drastic so far

Only a factual correction.

Woodruff was there correct. Peralta wasn't however. Stearns traded for him in the first couple months after he was named GM.
 

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We just aren't going to agree. I am giving Stearns a shot here but it is deep playoffs or bust in 2026. That is what he is here for. If he keeps with his plan and he gets us there- I will gladly tell you that all his moves had great purpose. You say I only have conjecture but I am not seeing what it is that you are going by because Stearns has pretty much failed up to this point.

But, I will see if his advanced analytics are the way to win. I am open to that.
It doesn't matter how long of a shot you are willing to give him. You aren’t the owner of the Mets. From what I have heard, this is essentially Stearns’s first year. The previous years he was trying to make an older roster work. Now he has permission to build the team in his mold. Even if we crash and burn this year, he isn’t getting fired for at least another 2-3 more years.
 

yesrutgers01

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Murakami to the White Sox. 2 years $34 million.
not sure what to make of this guy...he sounded like a player to pursue but then reports came up that he hit something like .140 against fastballs over 94...and alarms started to ring. His stats seem to be all over the place too. Years of sub .250 a big year with 56HR but usually in the 30's.
 

Zak57

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not sure what to make of this guy...he sounded like a player to pursue but then reports came up that he hit something like .140 against fastballs over 94...and alarms started to ring. His stats seem to be all over the place too. Years of sub .250 a big year with 56HR but usually in the 30's.
The FB stat thing was a small sample size but he also swings and misses a lot at pitches in the zone. Obviously most teams were spooked though based on the contract and where he ended up.

I think he did what was best for him to take a short term deal to try and show he can hit MLB pitching. If he does he set himself up for a really nice payday in two years when I think he'll still only be 28.
 
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yesrutgers01

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The FB stat thing was a small sample size but he also swings and misses a lot at pitches in the zone. Obviously most teams were spooked though based on the contract and where he ended up.

I think he did what was best for him to take a short term deal to try and show he can hit MLB pitching. If he does he set himself up for a really nice payday in two years when I think he'll still only be 28.
Agree on this completely.
 

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Flood got a BE Championship his first year.,,

And no- not all that many fans are happy in who he decided were the ones to turn the page with when he brings back players that are older and frankly, except for “possibly” Semien, better.

and if you haven’t heard anything from those players, then you really are just not listening.
And if you are around sports long enough, then “unsaid” is usually what speaks loudest.

I have been around enough players who often let the unsaid just speak for itself.

I have already said, let him prove me wrong and I hope he does. But don’t point to a year 1. And we know he failed last year and outside of contracts- please share how any of the big three that are gone had anything to do with it. Maybe without Montas, we would have had the money for Alonso/ but, oh wait, Alonso- Run prevention. And yet, one of tge best in baseball in scoops. And tge fing guy never misses a game and good for 110+ RBI.

I think I just don’t see your love for Stearns. And the obvious thing with Stearns- he f-ing lies outright to the fanbase and he wants players he never has to pay a 2nd contract to.
Doubling down with a Flood reference?
 
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BigEastPhil

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Surprised no other teams offered 2 years.
Worth the risk for the white sox

Wonder how this impacts Robert trade rumors
 

yesrutgers01

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We're in discussions with them still if you believe the rumors. Reds as well.
Roberts looks like he may be Mullen's 2.0 is Roberts actually still considered elite in CF? But I am sure, if his contract expires within 2 years, Stearns would trade for him.
 

Zak57

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Roberts looks like he may be Mullen's 2.0 is Roberts actually still considered elite in CF? But I am sure, if his contract expires within 2 years, Stearns would trade for him.
Robert Jr still rates above average to elite defensively yes.
 

yesrutgers01

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Curious- does anyone have a gut feeling of where our help in starting pitching is going to come from? Or are we sort of hoping McLean, Sproat, Tong all become studs in 2026?
 

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McNeil to the A;s for a Minor Leaguer. Mets paying part of his salary.
 

MadRU

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Yordan Rodriguez, RHP. From the A’s organization. 17yo prospect.
 

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Mets won't pay an extra $5M over 3 years to lock up Edwin Diaz, but they'll gladly pay $17M to unload a player. Makes a ton of sense
(note i didn't want McNeil here any more anyway)
 

MadRU

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Mets won't pay an extra $5M over 3 years to lock up Edwin Diaz, but they'll gladly pay $17M to unload a player. Makes a ton of sense
(note i didn't want McNeil here any more anyway)
Where do you see 17mill? They are sending 5.75 mill to the A’s and receiving a pitching prospect in return.
 

Doctor Worm

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McNeil to the A;s for a Minor Leaguer. Mets paying part of his salary.
Mets won't pay an extra $5M over 3 years to lock up Edwin Diaz, but they'll gladly pay $17M to unload a player. Makes a ton of sense
(note i didn't want McNeil here any more anyway)
Mets are not paying anywhere near that much. They are paying $5.75M of his $15.75M contract. They are saving $10M, which becomes $21M when the luxury tax impact is taken into account.

Also, McNeil has a player option for 2027 with a $2M buyout. Mets have agreed to pay the buyout if A's don't exercise the option.
 
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Stearns is building a strong minor league organization, but is still waiting for his impact on the MLB level. Is it safe to say that is his strength?