Should prove interesting.
I recall Buddhist monks doing something similar in Saigon in the early 60s.
OT: NJ drivers may soon have to do something they're not used to: pump their own gas.
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I recall Buddhist monks doing something similar in Saigon in the early 60s.
There is a difference between not knowing and preferring. When you pay cash it's preferable and convenient, more often than not, for an attendant to do it.
I'm going to say it...The stupid argument about waiting so long for full serve is just stupid.
Worst case- you wait 2 minutes and to you, it feels like 2 hours. What does 2 minutes really cost when you waste so much everywhere else.
OK- that time savings- that is ONLY for credit purchase. If you are paying cash- you are walking into the station to prepay- not only does that F the person behind you but also yourself.
You are at 1/4 tank and driving up to the Cuse game- you want to fill up and not stop- you give them $40 cash- you put it in and it looks like you may have another 5-10 you need to put in... do you go back and give extra cash or do you just stop again later.
You get full service for the price of no service right now- hell, we all know we got it for 20-30 cents less just a few years ago.
So- you really like to pump your own gas to be a botch to NJ drivers who are fine with full service that costs them nothing.
Worst case- you wait 2 minutes and to you, it feels like 2 hours. What does 2 minutes really cost when you waste so much everywhere else.
OK- that time savings- that is ONLY for credit purchase. If you are paying cash- you are walking into the station to prepay- not only does that F the person behind you but also yourself.
You are at 1/4 tank and driving up to the Cuse game- you want to fill up and not stop- you give them $40 cash- you put it in and it looks like you may have another 5-10 you need to put in... do you go back and give extra cash or do you just stop again later.
You get full service for the price of no service right now- hell, we all know we got it for 20-30 cents less just a few years ago.
So- you really like to pump your own gas to be a botch to NJ drivers who are fine with full service that costs them nothing.
Been yelled at a few times over the years, when doing that.
Also, it's still slightly illegal to do so (a $50 fine, I think). Perhaps not soon, if the bill in question passes. And, as everybody here knows, I would never dream of doing anything illegal in a car.
The smoking ban actually solved a real problem. Whereas I'm not entirely sure what problem the gas-pumping-ban ban will solve.
However, I agree with you. It's just not a big deal either way.
I am normally pretty low key about stuff. But I formed a pathological hatred of cigarette smoke when I was young and had to endure many trips to Florida (at Christmas, so it was "too cold to open a window") with my mom chain-smoking the entire way. I was overjoyed about the smoking ban in NJ.
Listen to this man.
Regarding rain, don't many gas stations also have roofs over the pumps? I'm a worse planner than you, but that's what saves me. Well, that and a climate with little rain.
The whole hot/cold thing is even sillier. If people in Arizona, Florida and Canada can handle it so can those in NJ.
It solves the problem of a silly hindrance of a law on the books. The proposal doesn't ban full service, it merely eliminates the ban on self serve.
Requiring full serve is ridiculous from both business and consumer perspectives. It also sounds like it's becoming more of a problem in light of the "great resignation."
I'm sure big stations will still have full service ...right up until everyone realizes how obsolete of a concept a gas attendant is and how much better self serve is.
You don't pay cash with self serve unless you need something else. I guess you could, but it'd be as much a waste of time as full serve.
This is NJ. People pay cash since they are paranoid that every transaction is tracked. Yet they carry a smart phone.
It's faster and more natural. Maybe we should bring back elevator attendants too. Vending machines can get pretty tricky, what with those letter-number combos - let's get vending machine attendants, too!
Oh, and let's not just allow the but mandate them.
I've pumped my own and that's fine. I've had it pumped and that's fine. I usually can choose when I fill up, so it's extremely rare that I have any wait at all for an attendant. And I always pay with a CC so I don't ever have to go inside to pay, which I would find annoying if I used cash.
As laws in NJ go, I feel like the legislature probably has bigger fish to fry, but I don't care.
just have a full serve button by pump so those that want an attendant pump their gas can get it doneand have windshield wiped, air checked and oil checked if wanted .
Filling air for free.
Charge self service patrons $1 for checking those things ( charging for air, labor and material, if needed ) and add 2 cent gallon charge for self service pumpers ( that should make some go bananas
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Filling air for free.
Charge self service patrons $1 for checking those things ( charging for air, labor and material, if needed ) and add 2 cent gallon charge for self service pumpers ( that should make some go bananas
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Pretty much 90% of the time I am in NJ the so called attendant is yapping on his phone in a different language while acting like I am an inconvenience. Sorry Chief to disturb you to do something I can do in a second without the attitude or the wait.
Always look forward to returning to Florida and doing it myself. It’s quite a simple process unless you are lazy and / or brain dead. And the cash / credit differential will cease to exist in NJ eventually. As will any fugazi “self serve discount” that one hopes may exist.
Always look forward to returning to Florida and doing it myself. It’s quite a simple process unless you are lazy and / or brain dead. And the cash / credit differential will cease to exist in NJ eventually. As will any fugazi “self serve discount” that one hopes may exist.
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Ahhhhh the memories for making that last stop in Mahwah, before heading back to Orange County. On a Sunday night it would be droves of hassidics filling up. The cultural clash between them and the decidedly non hassidic attendant made for some entertaining exchanges.
Ive never had to wait more than 10 seconds for gas. Idk what you’re talking about. It’s usually faster to just sit in my car and let the person doing instead of having to get out and do it myself. Don’t even get me started about doing it in bad weather. F that.
Self serve is definitely faster. You literally wait no time at all when you pump your own. No waiting for the guy at the beginning, no waiting for him to come back. Last time this came up, someone actually posted the study results that showed it was faster. This is not debatable.
Do you refuse to go outside at all in bad weather? If not, you can pump gas in bad weather. You won't melt. Promise.
Regardless, proposal is merely to eliminate the asinine ban on self serve. There are probably enough pampered Jersey folks to keep full service going for quite a while after, so nothing to get too worried about.
Again I never have to wait at the station I typically frequent so I will be largely unaffected. As some one else pointed out it will help at busy stations with a large number of pumps who can’t get workers. There is an Exxon station on Route 1 near me that has 24 pumps but there are never more than half open.
Disclosure - I am a female, Jersey born and raised. I know how to pump gas, but I don't know how to make it so I don't have to squeeze the handle the entire time. HATED when I had to gas up when I was in Maine in January and it was 8 degrees. Not only was my hand frozen, but I stunk like gasoline when I got back in the car. No thank you. Not going to save anyone any money.
Ah, but you do know how to pump the gas which is what matters.
I legitimately know people in their early 30s who would have no idea what to do if they rolled up to a PA gas station.
Actually it solved a big problem, now people will have no choice but to exercise 5 minutes per week
TBH, I virtually never wait because I go when nobody else is there and because I made friends with the gas station attendant around the corner, who's actually a pretty interesting guy. So in my perhaps rare case, I'm pretty sure self-serve would usually be a bit slower 'cause I'd have to add in getting out of the car and everything.
Anytime he's there, when I show up, he speeds the whole process along, (often skipping past others, grabbing my card and handing it right back after swiping - already knows I want 93 octane and to fill it up without asking). We usually chat about life, family, whatever a few moments while it's filling up, so he's usually right there when the tank is full.
Mom taught me being nice is it's own reward, and it is. But it can also makes for a smoother and happier life.
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True. Although, there are some other ways to get pumped up.Actually it solved a big problem, now people will have no choice but to exercise 5 minutes per week
In FL almost all gas stations are at convenience stores (7-11, Wawa, etc.)
The one annoying part of self service here when it’s busy is when people park in front of the pumps, don’t buy gas but go into the convenience store to buy coffee, etc and eventually come out and pull away in their car.
Folks, If you’re not buying gas, the spots in front of the pumps are not for parking. Don’t be that guy!
The one annoying part of self service here when it’s busy is when people park in front of the pumps, don’t buy gas but go into the convenience store to buy coffee, etc and eventually come out and pull away in their car.
Folks, If you’re not buying gas, the spots in front of the pumps are not for parking. Don’t be that guy!
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I was at Costco the other day and the professional gas attendants were so efficient here in NJ. There was no gas smell or any gas on the ground. It was like going to a drive-in pharmacy.
When I was at a Costco in Georgia and it was a mess. There was so much gas on the ground. It smelt like there was going to be a major explosion. I was scared and could not wait to get the hell out of there.
We have to keep what's working well.
When I was at a Costco in Georgia and it was a mess. There was so much gas on the ground. It smelt like there was going to be a major explosion. I was scared and could not wait to get the hell out of there.
We have to keep what's working well.
I’ve never waited more than 10 seconds for a gas attendant. No idea what you’re talking about. And yeah, would rather not go outside when it’s freezing out, as does just about everyone.
I’ve waited lots of times. In fact, I can recall numerous times I ended up leaving the gas station altogether rather than wait any longer
Self serve or not, I just paid $4 a gallon, I believe thats a PR for me.
yep he did, by sanctioning Russia Americans will pay higher gas prices and need to do their part without complaint.Self serve or not, I just paid $4 a gallon, I believe thats a PR for me.
Except the Putin supporters who feel paying the price to support the Ukraine shouldn't come out of their pockets .
Guess this thread has run it's course and now political agendas need to be answered to .
I'll do my part and say if supporting the Ukraine people keeping Russia from destroying the freedom they have , I'll do my part and pay more at the pump to hurt Russia.and point out in this thread , I support the sanctions put on Russia by President Biden, even oif the oil companies have found a way to gouge the American people by acting like they can't supply the gas American's need.
This is a good example why the USA needs to invest in alternate energy sources.
Which our President wants America to do.
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I'll pay the extra, realize the cause it supports and be pissed off the shutting down Keystone, limiting new leasing and declaring administrative war on natural gas (though they did lose one in federal courts recently) means that I will pay more than necessary for longer than necessary.
maybe you also should be pissed at something I found that makes shutting down that pipeline not as bad as many claim.
>Will the pipeline lower gas prices?
NRDC and its partners found the majority of Keystone XL oil would have been sent to markets overseas (aided by a 2015 reversal of a ban on crude oil exports)—and could have even led to higher prices at U.S. pumps.
Keystone XL Pipeline Environmental Impact
Leaks and the pipeline
Tar sands oil is thicker, more acidic, and more corrosive than lighter conventional crude, and this ups the likelihood that a pipeline carrying it will leak. Indeed, one study found that between 2007 and 2010, pipelines moving tar sands oil in Midwestern states spilled three times more per mile than the U.S. national average for pipelines carrying conventional crude. Since it first went into operation in 2010, TC Energy’s original Keystone Pipeline System has leaked more than a dozen times; one incident in North Dakota sent a 60-foot, 21,000-gallon geyser of tar sands oil spewing into the air. Less than two years before the project was finally pulled, the Keystone tar sands pipeline was temporarily shut down after a spill in North Dakota of reportedly more than 383,000 gallons in late October 2019. And the risk that Keystone XL would have spilled was heightened because of the extended time the pipe segments were left sitting outside in stockpiles. “A study published in early 2020, co-authored by TC Energy’s own scientists, found that the anti-corrosion coating on the project’s pipes was damaged from being stored outside and exposed to the elements for the last decade,Complicating matters, leaks can be difficult to detect. And when tar sands oil does spill, it’s more difficult to clean up than conventional crude because it immediately sinks to the bottom of the waterway. People and wildlife coming into contact with tar sands oil are exposed to toxic chemicals, and rivers and wetland environments are at particular risk from a spill. (For evidence, note the 2010 tar sands oil spill in Kalamazoo River, Michigan, a disaster that cost Enbridge more than a billion dollars in cleanup fees and took six years to settle in court.) Keystone XL would have crossed agriculturally important and environmentally sensitive areas, including hundreds of rivers, streams, aquifers, and water bodies. One was Nebraska’s Ogallala Aquifer, which provides drinking water for millions as well as 30 percent of America’s irrigation water. A spill would have been devastating to the farms, ranches, and communities that depend on these crucial ecosystems.
( source)
https://www.nrdc.org/stories/what-keystone-pipeline
1. The NRDC study was dated before the boycott of Russia oil was being considered so I think the comparative costs do not reflect that possibility. And although they are a serious organization, they do have a point of view.
2. That is irrelevant with respect ot natural gas.
Some things I found that might be of interest
>Russian petroleum imports in 2021 was about 8% of what America imports .<
(I found some articles that claimed 1% another 4%, but will go with the highest percentage
I found, to be fair)
America does export a lot of oil itself, so banning Russian oil shouldn't have an effect at the pumps, but oil companies making a good profit off the ban seems to be what's happening.
As for natural gas , the keystone pipeline converted natural gas pipelines into sand tar oil
(In Canada, the first phase of Keystone involved the conversion of approximately 864 kilometres (537 mi) of existing 36-inch (910 mm) natural gas pipeline in Saskatchewan and Manitoba to crude oil pipeline service.)<
Although most of the natural gas consumed in the United States is produced in the United States, the United States imports some natural gas
In 2020, about 98% of U.S. total annual natural gas imports were from Canada