OT: NJ drivers may soon have to do something they're not used to: pump their own gas.

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We don’t want to pump our own gas, N.J. residents say by 3-to-1 margin in poll


New Jersey residents overwhelmingly prefer having gas station attendants fill fuel tanks over getting out to do it themselves, according to Rutgers-Eagleton poll released Thursday as legislators consider a new push to end the state’s longstanding ban on self-serve gasoline.


Well that's disappointing, I hate having to sit in my car and wait for someone who is tending to 5 other cars finally get to mine to do something that we can all easily do ourselves in a matter of seconds. Ideally we would have both, so the lazy people who can't be arsed to get out of their car can sit there and wait for an attendant while those of us who have things to do can pump it ourselves and get back on the road.
 

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I'm going to say it...The stupid argument about waiting so long for full serve is just stupid.
Worst case- you wait 2 minutes and to you, it feels like 2 hours. What does 2 minutes really cost when you waste so much everywhere else.
OK- that time savings- that is ONLY for credit purchase. If you are paying cash- you are walking into the station to prepay- not only does that F the person behind you but also yourself.
You are at 1/4 tank and driving up to the Cuse game- you want to fill up and not stop- you give them $40 cash- you put it in and it looks like you may have another 5-10 you need to put in... do you go back and give extra cash or do you just stop again later.

You get full service for the price of no service right now- hell, we all know we got it for 20-30 cents less just a few years ago.
So- you really like to pump your own gas to be a botch to NJ drivers who are fine with full service that costs them nothing.

The same people complaining about having to wait an extra minute or two at the gas pump will proudly wait for 15 minutes in line to buy a Quarter pounder or a cup of coffee.
 

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Well that's disappointing, I hate having to sit in my car and wait for someone who is tending to 5 other cars finally get to mine to do something that we can all easily do ourselves in a matter of seconds. Ideally we would have both, so the lazy people who can't be arsed to get out of their car can sit there and wait for an attendant while those of us who have things to do can pump it ourselves and get back on the road.

That's what the proposal was for to begin with. It just clears whatever idiotic law or regs keep NJ as the only state without self serve.

I don't blame people for not wanting to give full serve up, but no reason not to allow both so the market can decide.
 

fsg2_rivals

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The same people complaining about having to wait an extra minute or two at the gas pump will proudly wait for 15 minutes in line to buy a Quarter pounder or a cup of coffee.

Only if they haven't met Door Dash and a coffee machine, so unlikely.
 

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Well that's disappointing, I hate having to sit in my car and wait for someone who is tending to 5 other cars finally get to mine to do something that we can all easily do ourselves in a matter of seconds. Ideally we would have both, so the lazy people who can't be arsed to get out of their car can sit there and wait for an attendant while those of us who have things to do can pump it ourselves and get back on the road.
Wait times can usually be mitigated or eliminated by choosing to fill up during less busy times, or at other stations. I live in a pretty densely populated area yet virtually never have to wait at all for gas.

OTOH, I couldn't care less about gas prices, which frees me up to select locations that are less busy than less pricey places. If one is seeking out lower-priced stations, that'll probably bump up the wait times as they'll probably always be more crowded at any time of day than the BP station I typically use.
 

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That's what the proposal was for to begin with. It just clears whatever idiotic law or regs keep NJ as the only state without self serve.

I don't blame people for not wanting to give full serve up, but no reason not to allow both so the market can decide.
While I don't disagree at all, in theory, the reality is probably that, absent the requirement to staff a station with attendants, a lot of places will probably eliminate the jobs and pocket the savings.
 

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That's what the proposal was for to begin with. It just clears whatever idiotic law or regs keep NJ as the only state without self serve.

I don't blame people for not wanting to give full serve up, but no reason not to allow both so the market can decide.
Arizona had full serve and self serve at most gas stations many moons ago.
But that ended a long time ago and self serve is what you get now.
Most people just went self serve because the gas pump price for full serve was a few cents higher.
My guess is to pay for the attendant who had to do the job and ended because most people didn't want to pay the few cents more for the attendant to pump their gas and they didn't care if oil checked or not.

My advise for those who want to keep full serve, push for a few cents more on the self serve pumps , so the full serve ones will get enough business to survive
 

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Latest push to let NJ pump its own gas sputters to a stop (again)



So aggravating how many people are opposed to being given a choice. I think most of the people rooting against this don't realize you would still be able to have an attendant pump your gas if you want.

Last week I stopped for gas around 6:30am and the attendant was asleep in the booth. Myself and three other cars all pumped the gas ourselves (at the same time since we didn't need to wait for the one worker to get to us), and were all back on the road much faster.
 

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I like how the guy with a Pontiac logo for an avatar is afraid to pump his own gas. Can't make this place up.
 

WhiteBus

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So NJ is now the only state where you can't pump your own gas. Oregon has finally made it legal to pump your own gas.
 
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So aggravating how many people are opposed to being given a choice. I think most of the people rooting against this don't realize you would still be able to have an attendant pump your gas if you want.

Last week I stopped for gas around 6:30am and the attendant was asleep in the booth. Myself and three other cars all pumped the gas ourselves (at the same time since we didn't need to wait for the one worker to get to us), and were all back on the road much faster.
After a period of time, don't most gas stations abandon full serve in the other states?
I see a random full serve in Staten Island, but I guess that is rare
 

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The best solution for NJ is to offer both. Full Service and Self Service. Save a nickel a gallon pumping it yourself.
Whereever that happens, the operators do their best to destroy the full service alternative. They make more money by having fewer employees.
 

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Lot's of lost jobs over a few pennies per gallon.
Given the choice, the stations will discount the self serve or raise full serve. They purposely discourage the use of full serve to justify eliminating the employees. That is their aim all along to get rid of the salaries, payroll tax and workers comp.
In the end everyone will pay the same full price without the choice. Should the folks that pump gas "learn to code" or just sit home and collect welfare? We will be paying for them whether the gas jobs exist or not.
 
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Why do states pat themselves on the back for being able to stand in 95-degree or 15-degree weather to pump gas? Instead, I'll sit in my warm or cool car and say, "Fill it up." 😁 I'm too lazy for that sh*t.
I'm with you- I grew up in upstate NY so very familiar with pumping my own gas. Have lived in NJ for 20 years now. And it is SO much better to have someone else pumping my gas- getting gas on their hands, stading in cold, heat, rain. And I can be sitting in the car listening to some good music, make a phone call, etc in comfort...
And it is NOT faster to do it yourself.
In most cases, if you use a card- you have to walk into the station prior to getting gas to pay for it - and what a pain in the *** if you just want to fill it up or, if paying cash, you still have to walk into the station after pumping to pay them.
 

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Given the choice, the stations will discount the self serve or raise full serve. They purposely discourage the use of full serve to justify eliminating the employees. That is their aim all along to get rid of the salaries, payroll tax and workers comp.
In the end everyone will pay the same full price without the choice. Should the folks that pump gas "learn to code" or just sit home and collect welfare? We will be paying for them whether the gas jobs exist or not.
With the exception of WAWA most of the attendants are the owners or family of the owners. I doubt it will have an impact on pricing.
 

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I'm with you- I grew up in upstate NY so very familiar with pumping my own gas. Have lived in NJ for 20 years now. And it is SO much better to have someone else pumping my gas- getting gas on their hands, stading in cold, heat, rain. And I can be sitting in the car listening to some good music, make a phone call, etc in comfort...
And it is NOT faster to do it yourself.
In most cases, if you use a card- you have to walk into the station prior to getting gas to pay for it - and what a pain in the *** if you just want to fill it up or, if paying cash, you still have to walk into the station after pumping to pay them.

Sounds like outdated infrastructure. I havent seen a pump without a card reader in 15 years.

Then, it's definitely faster to do yourself.
 

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I'm with you- I grew up in upstate NY so very familiar with pumping my own gas. Have lived in NJ for 20 years now. And it is SO much better to have someone else pumping my gas- getting gas on their hands, stading in cold, heat, rain. And I can be sitting in the car listening to some good music, make a phone call, etc in comfort...
And it is NOT faster to do it yourself.
In most cases, if you use a card- you have to walk into the station prior to getting gas to pay for it - and what a pain in the *** if you just want to fill it up or, if paying cash, you still have to walk into the station after pumping to pay them.
I drive in other states frequently and pay with a credit card. I cannot recall in over a decade not paying at the pump with a credit card. The days of going inside to pay with a card are basically gone for the most part I have found. For a long time now.
 

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I drive in other states frequently and pay with a credit card. I cannot recall in over a decade not paying at the pump with a credit card. The days of going inside to pay with a card are basically gone for the most part I have found. For a long time now.

Normally the price for a credit card purchase is 7-10 cents per gallon higher than cash. Bupkis for a single purchase but is does add up over the year. Nice to be able to hand the attendant a bill.
 

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Normally the price for a credit card purchase is 7-10 cents per gallon higher than cash. Bupkis for a single purchase but is does add up over the year. Nice to be able to hand the attendant a bill.
Never really thought about how much it cost to use a CC which is all I ever use for gas. But over the past 4 years, I was using roughly 15 gallons of gas per week, on average. Some weeks more, some less. So...

52 weeks by 15 gallons by .1 per gallon = $78 per year. No way is that enough for me to bother going to an ATM all the time. I think I've been to an ATM for cash once in the past year.

Thank goodness pimps, coke dealers, and ranchers take credit cards.
 

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Never really thought about how much it cost to use a CC which is all I ever use for gas. But over the past 4 years, I was using roughly 15 gallons of gas per week, on average. Some weeks more, some less. So...

52 weeks by 15 gallons by .1 per gallon = $78 per year. No way is that enough for me to bother going to an ATM all the time. I think I've been to an ATM for cash once in the past year.

Thank goodness pimps, coke dealers, and ranchers take credit cards.

I always carry some cash and the ATM is less than a block from my office.
 

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I always carry some cash and the ATM is less than a block from my office.
I have 3 ATMs less than 250 yards from my house. If I do visit an ATM, I pull 500 and I almost always carry a couple/few hundred in cash for emergencies. But 'cause I never use cash anywhere anymore, the last 500 I pulled from an ATM is still either in my wallet or my house.

I actually hardly ever even carry a wallet around anymore. I just stick a couple credit cards and my driver's license in a pocket when I leave the house. If I remember, I tuck some cash in the pocket too.

I look forward to the day when we have one card to carry, a highly secured card that holds all our various IDs (e.g. drivers license, carry permits, membership cards, medical and car insurance) plus our payment methods (primarily CCs and checking account).

Wanna pay the cash fee for stuff, use the checking account from the single card. No need to carry cash or change. No need to carry around a dozen different cards.
 

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The only people that are unlikely to be able to pump their own gas are the elderly imo. But here in FL they seem to have few problems.

Are people from NJ unable to learn how to use self service? It takes less than a few mins to learn.
 

MADHAT1

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The only people that are unlikely to be able to pump their own gas are the elderly imo. But here in FL they seem to have few problems.

Are people from NJ unable to learn how to use self service? It takes less than a few mins to learn.
damm scary if there too old & feeble to pump their own gas
but are allowed on the road
 
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