OT: Possible NCAA Investigation into Michigan Scouting Opponents.
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Well, I mean they steamrolled Michigan in that game . That game as a bad matchup for Michigan either way
Nice to see that Michigan alum and fan Rich Eisen has some integrity about this and fully supports punishment
I have to wonder if every single Big Ten coach is going to help Ohio State out this year on rivalry weekend. and then anyone else Michigan faces.
Anyone who believes that Schiano wasn't talking about play stealing during the Michigan game, I've got a nice bridge to sell to you.
Maybe people can Gavin a break on that pick-six he threw during the game where it seemed pretty obvious that they knew the play was going to be run. Anyone asking why "would they steal Rutgers signs?" only need to look at a few of our previous games where we played them tough. Especially when we should have beaten them and then they went to the CFP.
Maybe people can Gavin a break on that pick-six he threw during the game where it seemed pretty obvious that they knew the play was going to be run. Anyone asking why "would they steal Rutgers signs?" only need to look at a few of our previous games where we played them tough. Especially when we should have beaten them and then they went to the CFP.
Do you not know how football works?
Let’s make believe this isn’t cheating. Almost every team makes adjustments once they get to the line of scrimmage. If you run someone on to compensate for this non cheating tactic, you have to allow the defense to make changes. You are basically guaranteed to cause yourself delay of game penalties. I guess you went to bed before the USC game this week.
Schiano said he was talking about the officiating, which I believe. The defense was jumping in an attempt to draw us into false starts. It wasn't being called. Also, if Schiano suspected they were stealing signs he would have done something at half when the interview took place. The interception on the screen happened in the third quarter.
I read that is has to do with costs and invalidating helmet warranty by modifying it and college players use so many different helmets.
I read that as: blah blah blah
Break up the NCAA - no reason for Rutgers having the same constraints as UConn.
Also also the whole - coaches like being able to steal signs.
I would imagine most staffs assume they are better stealing than being stolen from.
I do believe Greg's initial concern had to do with the officiating but...it almost seemed as there really was two different responses on that interview that he may have been referring to. For sure, he did think something wasn't right. If it was just the Refs- I'm sure he wouldnt not have said much about it.
The Matt R interview was interesting when they asked if he suspected anything- and he didn't commit either way. If he didn't, why would he not just say he had no suspicion of wrong doing?
As has been pointed out many times, Universities live in fear of litigation. They cave and pay settlements where they more than likely have the upper hand, and they generally go overboard in safety precautions for students--that's not to say safety precautions are bad. But in many instances, they go above and beyond required standards.
However, with all of the problems with concussions plaguing football players later in life, I agree that Universities should be cautious in modifying the helmets to invalidate the product warranty. What I can't determine is how the heck does it void the warranty? I'm going to guess that it is the greedy corporations and their lawyers covering themselves when modifying the helmet to include this technology likely has no impact on player safety. But that's just a guess.
Coaches are part of a fraternity where one coach almost never throws another coach under the bus. Sure, there are examples of coaches hating each other, but who is going to be the coach to say they blew the whistle on one of the bluest blue bloods in college football?
Ummm- fair point. Nick Saban is at the end of his career, and he has nothing to worry about. Guys like Greg and Matt Rhule may not want to be known as whistle blowers.
Good article (paywalled), but here is a snippet or two:
"Five weeks ago, Jim Harbaugh stood in front of reporters and talked about setting a “gold standard” for rules compliance."
... "Though he considered Michigan’s compliance to be exemplary, he talked about implementing new policies to “make sure I don’t ever get sidelined again.” “We’ve done an incredible job,” Harbaugh said then. “We’ve gone to the nth degree to follow every rule.”
(insert Sure, Jan meme here).Ummm- fair point. Nick Saban is at the end of his career, and he has nothing to worry about. Guys like Greg and Matt Rhule may not want to be known as whistle blowers.
Good article (paywalled), but here is a snippet or two:
"Five weeks ago, Jim Harbaugh stood in front of reporters and talked about setting a “gold standard” for rules compliance."
... "Though he considered Michigan’s compliance to be exemplary, he talked about implementing new policies to “make sure I don’t ever get sidelined again.” “We’ve done an incredible job,” Harbaugh said then. “We’ve gone to the nth degree to follow every rule.”
Looks like that actual "nth" was a fraction.
Not sure if this was posted, but was posted in comments to The Athletic story.
OSU knows sign stealing is rampant and doesn't change them for their biggest rivalry game of the year?
I'd consider firing HC Day.
How incompetent is he?
I'd consider firing HC Day.
How incompetent is he?
doesn't make sense but again, you're dealing with the smartest lot by any stretch. If they knew and didn't change the signs then they get what they deserve here. Still, amazed people would defend this as stealing signs is wrong on any level and I don't want to hear what the rules say. It's wrong, unsportsmanlike, screams loser and does not present the right role model for younger kids.
i don't think the debate over whether the scouting rules are right or wrong matters here. What matters is that there was a rule (or a couple of rules) and they broke it. It could be the most ludicrous rule in the world...like...you can't wear a white sock with a black shoe...and it doesn't matter. the rulebook is there, they are supposed to know it and live by it. a violation is a violation.
I’d be willing to bet the reason opposing coaches aren’t bashing JH and UM is because many cheat to some extent too, not due to some coach fraternity code.
Just like when baseball coaches let the opposing pitcher get away with using foreign substances bc their own guys do it also.
Just like when baseball coaches let the opposing pitcher get away with using foreign substances bc their own guys do it also.
Deion is being disingenuous or a moron here.
Nobody is claiming that Michigan is a bad team that can only win with cheating. They could still beat many teams on their schedule if the other team was the one that had a cheating advantage.
When two teams are close in talent, meaning the individuals matching up can hang athletically with each other, one of them knowing the other is going to do before the play can absolutely be determinative.
Michigan was a good team that couldn’t get over the top until two years ago, which coincidentally is when this is alleged to have started.
The Michigan Manifesto by Connor Stalions
From the SI article above:
A review of Stalions’s now deleted Venmo account did show that Jay Harbaugh sent Stalions money in 2017, with the O.K. hand gesture emoji in the memo line, though no purpose or amount for the transfer was indicated.
A review of Stalions’s now deleted Venmo account did show that Jay Harbaugh sent Stalions money in 2017, with the O.K. hand gesture emoji in the memo line, though no purpose or amount for the transfer was indicated.
The Michigan Manifesto? Has the word ‘manifesto’ ever been used in a positive way?
From the SI article...
"Citing Stalions’s LinkedIn, ESPN reported that he was stationed at Camp Pendleton in California during his Marines service. In addition to his travels to Michigan, Stalions claimed he would drive to Tucson, Ariz., to help former Michigan offensive coordinator Jedd Fisch as he transitioned to his new Wildcats coaching job. While Stalions wrote that he did odd jobs for Fisch at times in Ann Arbor, the initial connection was through Partridge, the Michigan linebackers coach whom Stalions called one of his “closest friends.” He said Partridge gave him his initial inroad at Michigan, allowing him to help out at the school while he was on spring break from the Naval Academy. "
Wasn't Partridge an outcast in NJ HS football for being a slimeball?
"Citing Stalions’s LinkedIn, ESPN reported that he was stationed at Camp Pendleton in California during his Marines service. In addition to his travels to Michigan, Stalions claimed he would drive to Tucson, Ariz., to help former Michigan offensive coordinator Jedd Fisch as he transitioned to his new Wildcats coaching job. While Stalions wrote that he did odd jobs for Fisch at times in Ann Arbor, the initial connection was through Partridge, the Michigan linebackers coach whom Stalions called one of his “closest friends.” He said Partridge gave him his initial inroad at Michigan, allowing him to help out at the school while he was on spring break from the Naval Academy. "
Wasn't Partridge an outcast in NJ HS football for being a slimeball?
- Do you think HC Schiano knew about sign stealing in CFB (by Michigan and others)?
- If he did know, do you he didn't change his signs against a conference opponent?
- If you think HC Schiano did change them, wouldn't any sign stealing happen in real time during the first half? Which isn't against the rules.
1 . Yes - it seems like everyone knew
Not sure how he tried to combat it . Obviously , it wasn’t working and that’s why he made the comments to BTN
Then he tried to walk it back and say “I was criticizing the officials .” Lol
Hmmmm Stalions point of contact at Michigan was Partridge. There were rumors of him with cameras in the booth when he was at ole miss that’s why he was relieved of his duties.
It takes a lot to be relieved of your duties at ole miss
It takes a lot to be relieved of your duties at ole miss
Kirby Smart quote:
“I had never heard of anybody going to the games to watch and film and do all that stuff that that’s going on that people are talking about,” Smart said. “I don’t know anybody that’s ever done it. Or I’ve never been asked to do that as a young coach or known anybody to do that. I’ve never even heard of that.”
“No I didn’t notice anything or know anything; nobody we talked to warned us or anything like that,” Smart said. “I think everybody we play they say, ‘They steal your signals.’ We play somebody, and they say, ‘They’re great at stealing your signals.’ But what they’re referencing (at Michigan) is different than stealing them. They’re talking about people to come and film on us. But we’ve tried to hide the signals, hold the calls, put signs up, do all that. But there’s nothing I remember about the Michigan game that makes me think that.”
“You talk to the team that you played last, and sometimes if you’re not going to play them again, they share what they might’ve had on you, things like that. So I’ve heard of it in-game,” Smart said. “But a lot of times you can know the signals and still not do it right. It’s kind of the joke we have that you know the play that’s coming and you mess it up. I’ve laughed with coaches about that before.”
How much does Georgia do it? Not much, to hear Smart and one of his players tell it. Smart didn’t deny that it happens but indicated it wasn’t helpful, especially when he was trying to call a defense.
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Josh Gattis you say?
"Gattis is now Maryland’s offensive coordinator. The university declined to make him available for comment."
Hmm, and their Co-OC just got nabbed for DUI in Florida.
Maybe they won't have an OC when they play RU?
A Partridge and a camera in a pear tree. Sounds like the making of a song.
On the twelve games of Michigan, Stalions gave to Jim. . . . . .