OT: Record-high ocean temperatures to make hurricane season more active

[RU848789]

So as opposed to advocating a ban on European travel they advocated for close quarter celebrations of Chinese New Years where travelers clearly could have been exposed. I guess that makes sense to you.

Wilhem DuhBlasio and his idiot NYC so-called Health Commissioners were the worst...certainly contributed to the NYC (and metro) chicomvirus death toll.

De Blasio Says New Yorkers Under 50 Years Old Are Safe​

De Blasio followed suit three days after Barbot’s Feb. 7 comments. “We want to encourage” New Yorkers going out, the mayor said during a Feb. 10 MSNBC broadcast.

“If you’re under 50 & you’re healthy, which is most NYers, there’s very little threat here. This disease, even if you were to get it, basically acts like a common cold or flu. And transmission is not that easy,” de Blasio said at the time.

De Blasio Suggests New Yorkers Visit Movie Theaters During Pandemic
“Since I’m encouraging New Yorkers to go on with your lives + get out on the town despite Coronavirus,” de Blasio told his Twitter followers on March 3, no more than two weeks before likening the outbreak to a type of world war that required nationalizing industries.

He offered some suggestions for what New Yorkers should do instead of social distancing. “I thought I would offer some suggestions. Here’s the first: thru Thurs 3/5 go see ‘The Traitor,’” de Blasio said, referring to a 2019 crime drama about the life and times of a Mafia mob boss.

https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/03...stricted-travel-to-china-here-are-5-examples/

Sigh. Trying to relitigate more things you guys were wrong on back in 2020. When those statements were made about Lunar NY celebrations it was early February and at that point we had a couple of cases in the entire country and zero deaths and we had a POTUS telling us it was going to vanish.

Hard to imagine state/local politicians canceling events back then - even though, in hindsight, we probably should have gone into lockdown by late Feb/early March (like I did) and not mid/late March, like most did - largely because the Administration failed completely on developing tests, so we were flying blind (other countries had tests and offered them to us)

 

[Kbee3]

Sigh. Trying to relitigate more things you guys were wrong on back in 2020. When those statements were made about Lunar NY celebrations it was early February and at that point we had a couple of cases in the entire country and zero deaths and we had a POTUS telling us it was going to vanish.

Hard to imagine state/local politicians canceling events back then - even though, in hindsight, we probably should have gone into lockdown by late Feb/early March (like I did) and not mid/late March, like most did - largely because the Administration failed completely on developing tests, so we were flying blind (other countries had tests and offered them to us)

Thanks for your persistence with the knuckleheads. I don't know how you do it.

 

[RUDiddy777]

Sigh. Trying to relitigate more things you guys were wrong on back in 2020. When those statements were made about Lunar NY celebrations it was early February and at that point we had a couple of cases in the entire country and zero deaths and we had a POTUS telling us it was going to vanish.

Hard to imagine state/local politicians canceling events back then - even though, in hindsight, we probably should have gone into lockdown by late Feb/early March (like I did) and not mid/late March, like most did - largely because the Administration failed completely on developing tests, so we were flying blind (other countries had tests and offered them to us)

There’s also fair criticism of information sharing from China. Hosted a SB party and one of our guests was an MD…at the time, we all assumed it would be like SARS. Didn’t find out about asymptomatic transmission until much too late.

 

[RU848789]

There’s also fair criticism of information sharing from China. Hosted a SB party and one of our guests was an MD…at the time, we all assumed it would be like SARS. Didn’t find out about asymptomatic transmission until much too late.

Absolutely. I regularly skewered the lack of communications and transparency from China back in the early days of the pandemic.

 

[RU848789]

Thanks for your persistence with the knuckleheads. I don't know how you do it.

Thanks. I don't really care about the CE echo chamber, since the vast majority there are beyond reach. However, when it spills over to the football and hoops boards (and the mods seem to be allowing it now) I take it more seriously, as I hate to think there might be neutral folks swayed by the lies, misinformation and revisionist history. I actually felt like those COVID threads in the first 12-18 months of the pandemic were very constructive with tons of well educated people sharing their expertise (including some MDs), such that there were very helpful for many, based on the countless thank yous and compliments those thread got (and the many IMs I got). Lots of positive responses (and much less trolling) on similar threads on other boards and FB.

 

[brgRC90]

Sigh. Trying to relitigate more things you guys were wrong on back in 2020. When those statements were made about Lunar NY celebrations it was early February and at that point we had a couple of cases in the entire country and zero deaths and we had a POTUS telling us it was going to vanish.

Hard to imagine state/local politicians canceling events back then - even though, in hindsight, we probably should have gone into lockdown by late Feb/early March (like I did) and not mid/late March, like most did - largely because the Administration failed completely on developing tests, so we were flying blind (other countries had tests and offered them to us)

It's hysterical that they're trying to undermine the credibility of institutions and experts--which is most definitely NOT what real conservatives do, it's what radicals and anarchists do--with 20/20 hindsight, as if their own grand predictions aren't almost always wrong. It's easy to criticize others actually trying to make a difference. Negative Nancys have no real solutions of their own. The "solution" anti-vaxxers gave us was more sickness and death, overcrowded hospitals and long term health problems.

 

[ashokan]

Once again, you make a post filled with misinformation and innuendo. The CDC never called HCQ a poison, since it's an approved medication for malaria; however, they have published pages showing that HCQ has no efficacy in either treatment of COVID nor prevention of COVID, as per several robust (randomized/controlled, the "gold standard" in medicine) clinical trials. I posted about these studies and some additional ones that came after CDC created the page below in late 2020. Both links are below.

https://www.cdc.gov/library/covid19/100920_covidupdate.html

https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...es-interventions-and-more.198855/post-4644449

Also, while the Lancet situation was unfortunate, at least the journal when notified of data irregularities, investigated them discovering numerous flaws in the datasets from Surgisphere, and retracted the paper; the journal also upgraded their peer review process to hopefully prevent such situations from recurring. Lastly, and most importantly, this paper was an observational one, not a randomized controlled clinical trial, so its relevance to HCQ being effective or not is zero (since the paper was about HCQ being dangerous, which was way overstated).

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-...ial-practices-after-surgisphere-scandal-67953

And as many have posted in the Bronny thread, including some MDs, sudden cardiac deaths in young athletes have always been an issue and have not increased markedly, except during 2020 due to - you guessed it - COVID (before vaccines were available). Yet folks like you and Proud Boy feel that starting a new thread every time a young athlete gets sick or dies is indicative of something beyond the tragedy of their personal situations. They're not.

When was the last time TWO young D1 basketball players had serious heart crisis on ONE year?. Add to that the D1 football players droppinmg dead. Now there are two pilots dead on the job in one week.

CDC, FDA et al all said hydroxychloroquine could cause serious heart problems "The FDA is aware of reports of serious heart rhythm problems in patients with COVID-19 treated with hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine.." Media went nuts on hydro after Trump metioned it (and Warp Speed called for therapeutics for all but elderly and sick." Then there were the bogus "studies designed to fail when hydro was given to patients on ventilaors. It was well know hydro had to be given early and with zinc (requirements intentionally left out"

Vaxx heart problems never mattered despite early evidence of their existence

JAMA

Myocarditis Cases Reported After mRNA-Based COVID-19 Vaccination in the US From December 2020 to August 2021

This descriptive study compares the effect of mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccination with BNT162b2 (Pfizer-BioNTech) vs mRNA-1273 (Moderna) on the reported cases of myocarditis in the US after each vaccination dose.

jamanetwork.com

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/n...oquine-lowers-covid-19-death-rate/5365090002/

https://www.palmerfoundation.com.au...esulted-in-lower-mortality-in-covid-patients/

https://c19early.org/

 

[brgRC90]

When was the last time TWO young D1 basketball players had serious heart crisis on ONE year?. Add to that the D1 football players droppinmg dead. Now there are two pilots dead on the job in one week.

CDC, FDA et al all said hydroxychloroquine could cause serious heart problems "The FDA is aware of reports of serious heart rhythm problems in patients with COVID-19 treated with hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine.." Media went nuts on hydro after Trump metioned it (and Warp Speed called for therapeutics for all but elderly and sick." Then there were the bogus "studies designed to fail when hydro was given to patients on ventilaors. It was well know hydro had to be given early and with zinc (requirements intentionally left out"

Vaxx heart problems never mattered despite early evidence of their existence

JAMA

Myocarditis Cases Reported After mRNA-Based COVID-19 Vaccination in the US From December 2020 to August 2021

This descriptive study compares the effect of mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccination with BNT162b2 (Pfizer-BioNTech) vs mRNA-1273 (Moderna) on the reported cases of myocarditis in the US after each vaccination dose.

jamanetwork.com

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/n...oquine-lowers-covid-19-death-rate/5365090002/

https://www.palmerfoundation.com.au...esulted-in-lower-mortality-in-covid-patients/

https://c19early.org/

You really don't know that people who had covid often develop heart problems, as well as other problems, later? How do you know that's not what's behind it? And just because you didn't hear it in the news doesn't mean it wasn't happening. Nobody would've cared before.

 

[FRA10Thunderbolt]

Thanks for your persistence with the knuckleheads. I don't know how you do it.

The adminsitration at the time was getting direction directly from Dr. Fauci. Whatever blame you want to cast should be directed at the one person who supposed to know about what was going on.

 

[Kbee3]

The adminsitration at the time was getting direction directly from Dr. Fauci. Whatever blame you want to cast should be directed at the one person who supposed to know about what was going on.

Do you mean the landscaper ?

 

[vic_torre42]

Grow a spine or get out.

Excuse me?

 

[RU4Real]

The anti-vaxxers like to confuse myocarditis with cardiomyopathy.

Myocarditis is an inflammatory condition generally treated with NSAIDs. The JAMA report referenced in a preceding post points out that of 826 cases of pediatric / young adult (under 30) myocarditis resulting in hospitalization - from a vaccinated patient cohort of 192 million, receiving ~354 million vaccines - the number of deaths was...

wait for it...

Zero.

And yes, I read the study.

 

[fsg2_rivals]

You really don't know that people who had covid often develop heart problems, as well as other problems, later? How do you know that's not what's behind it? And just because you didn't hear it in the news doesn't mean it wasn't happening. Nobody would've cared before.

He also doesn't know if any of those people even got vaxxed.

Easier to assume, tho, and spin a narrative.

That dude was as scared as ProudBoy when the pandemic was underway and well into it.

 

[vic_torre42]

I’m sorry I revisited this thread.

 

[fsg2_rivals]

I’m sorry I revisited this thread.

No problem, apology accepted.

 

[Luvscarletknights]

As I said 8 pages ago. Mods please move to current events or lock.

This a football forum.

 

[T2Kplus20]

When was the last time TWO young D1 basketball players had serious heart crisis on ONE year?

Every year in the history of D1 basketball based on medical prevalence and statistics. Literally every single year.

 

[MADHAT1]

Every year in the history of D1 basketball based on medical prevalence and statistics. Literally every single year.

Between 2014 and 2016, according to research published in the Sports Health journal, there were 132 cases of cardiac arrest among middle school, high school, and college athletes. About 30% of these cases occurred during basketball, and 48% of the athletes survived sudden cardiac arrest.
https://www.uabmedicine.org/news/basketball-players-suffer-the-highest-rate-of-sudden-cardiac-death/

 

[vic_torre42]

As I said 8 pages ago. Mods please move to current events or lock.

This a football forum.

From what I can tell, the off topic threads bring out the worst in everyone.

Ugly stuff

 

[RU4Real]

From what I can tell, the off topic threads bring out the worst in everyone.

Ugly stuff

Why do you feel compelled to yammer about it? Seems to me you're pretty much just exacerbating the problem.

 

[MADHAT1]

From what I can tell, the off topic threads bring out the worst in everyone.

Ugly stuff

Some OTs are very helpful, but OT threads like this : best to pass by and ignore .
As for me, I find some of the clowns in this show very funny and love the triggering going on.
On the whole, it's a useless thread full of BS and arguing .
But the mods feel it's worthwhile and that's good enough for me to post occasionally keeping the ball rolling.

 

[FRA10Thunderbolt]

Some OTs are very helpful, but OT threads like this : best to pass by and ignore .
As for me, I find some of the clowns in this show very funny and love the triggering going on.
On the whole, it's a useless thread full of BS and arguing .
But the mods feel it's worthwhile and that's good enough for me to post occasionally keeping the ball rolling.

Welcome to the internet! If it gets too hot you can always shut off your computer and go outside and garden, take a walk, turn on some good music, or just lounge around.

 

[MADHAT1]

Welcome to the internet! If it gets too hot you can always shut off your computer and go outside and garden, take a walk, turn on some good music, or just lounge around.

Not me I'm having fun like I stated
"As for me, I find some of the clowns in this show very funny and love the triggering going on."
Heck your post (I quoted here) made me into a Roy Rodgers , riding my Trigger into reply land

 

[patk89]

Absolutely. I regularly skewered the lack of communications and transparency from China back in the early days of the pandemic.

Absolutely. I regularly skewered the lack of communications and transparency from China back in the early days of the pandemic.

Early days? It continues to today. So called scientific minds are not at all concerned about finding the root cause of the virus. It's racist to assume it came from the lab so we will not pursue it. Really really sad that today's so called scientists have become dependent on funding from politicians who instruct them on what to say. Not good for humanities future to be frank.

 

[bac2therac]

Back to the original point (before the knuckle-dragging climate change deniers chimed in), a rare hurricane/tropical storm will likely hit southern California:

https://www.accuweather.com/en/hurr...rain-in-california-nevada-and-arizona/1570250

Evidence of climate change with this?

 

[brgRC90]

From what I can tell, the off topic threads bring out the worst in everyone.

Ugly stuff

In theory, OT threads on here could be interesting but what always happens is the same CE board characters, usually from the right, not content with fighting on the CE board crash the thread and attack anyone saying anything they don't like. They rarely rebut anything or if they do it's simply to casually dismiss the source of information as biased or call the person posting sheep or some juvenile nonsense like that, but it's rarely well-thought out.

Then the CE characters from the left attack in return and it degenerates into calling each other the same names they do on the CE board.

 

[vic_torre42]

In theory, OT threads on here could be interesting but what always happens is the same CE board characters, usually from the right, not content with fighting on the CE board crash the thread and attack anyone saying anything they don't like. They rarely rebut anything or if they do it's simply to casually dismiss the source of information as biased or call the person posting sheep or some juvenile nonsense like that, but it's rarely well-thought out.

Then the CE characters from the left attack in return and it degenerates into calling each other the same names they do on the CE board.

It’s very ugly stuff and please don’t take offense, to be fair I’ve seen you caught up in it a little.

I think I’ll avoid the off topic threads as there is so much promise and excitement around the upcoming football season.

I hope to see you in those threads.
Have a nice day.

 

[patk89]

In theory, OT threads on here could be interesting but what always happens is the same CE board characters, usually from the right, not content with fighting on the CE board crash the thread and attack anyone saying anything they don't like. They rarely rebut anything or if they do it's simply to casually dismiss the source of information as biased or call the person posting sheep or some juvenile nonsense like that, but it's rarely well-thought out.

Then the CE characters from the left attack in return and it degenerates into calling each other the same names they do on the CE board.

Absurb. You are extremely partisan. Surely you realize that. Or do you think you are open minded? I have a friend who visits Cuba and loves it. Ask him about the lack of freedom and no economic growth in 50 years, and he deflects. Hugely racist country. He deflects.

 

[MADHAT1]

It seems, though not being reported like before, scientists are still looking to find the cause.
Science will change it’s opinion based on latest evidence.

Conspiracy theorist don’t care about evidence, they make up their own facts and share it with the uniformed and easily influenced
Who spread that misinformation to other, making many of them true believers , and have the anti science crowd claim it’s gospel.
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New COVID origins study links pandemic’s beginning to animals, not a lab | PBS NewsHour (Science Mar 17, 2023 )

>“These data do not provide a definitive answer to how the pandemic began, but every piece of data is important to moving us closer to that answer,”

Scientists have been looking for the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic since the virus first emerged, but that search has been complicated by factors including the massive surge of human infections in the pandemic’s first two years and an increasingly bitter political dispute.

It took virus experts more than a dozen years to pinpoint the animal origin of SARS, a related virus.<



https://www.pbs.org/newshour/scienc...inks-pandemics-beginning-to-animals-not-a-lab

 

[brgRC90]

It seems, though not being reported like before, scientists are still looking to find the cause.
Science will change it’s opinion based on latest evidence.

Conspiracy theorist don’t care about evidence, they make up their own facts and share it with the uniformed and easily influenced
Who spread that misinformation to other, making many of them true believers , and have the anti science crowd claim it’s gospel.
------------

New COVID origins study links pandemic’s beginning to animals, not a lab | PBS NewsHour (Science Mar 17, 2023 )

>“These data do not provide a definitive answer to how the pandemic began, but every piece of data is important to moving us closer to that answer,”

Scientists have been looking for the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic since the virus first emerged, but that search has been complicated by factors including the massive surge of human infections in the pandemic’s first two years and an increasingly bitter political dispute.

It took virus experts more than a dozen years to pinpoint the animal origin of SARS, a related virus.<



https://www.pbs.org/newshour/scienc...inks-pandemics-beginning-to-animals-not-a-lab

I can remember well with HIV hearing for years and years that it was a botched CIA job or a KGB plot from people who were 1,000,000% sure they were right. They were wrong. It was eventually traced to bonobos in northwest Africa and determined to have come into existence from the Simian Immunodeficiency Virus between 1881 and 1921. I'll wait for more investigation into the origins of the virus by experts instead of listening to all the same type of people who were talking out of their a**es with HIV.

 

[patk89]

It seems, though not being reported like before, scientists are still looking to find the cause.
Science will change it’s opinion based on latest evidence.

Conspiracy theorist don’t care about evidence, they make up their own facts and share it with the uniformed and easily influenced
Who spread that misinformation to other, making many of them true believers , and have the anti science crowd claim it’s gospel.
------------

New COVID origins study links pandemic’s beginning to animals, not a lab | PBS NewsHour (Science Mar 17, 2023 )

>“These data do not provide a definitive answer to how the pandemic began, but every piece of data is important to moving us closer to that answer,”

Scientists have been looking for the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic since the virus first emerged, but that search has been complicated by factors including the massive surge of human infections in the pandemic’s first two years and an increasingly bitter political dispute.

It took virus experts more than a dozen years to pinpoint the animal origin of SARS, a related virus.<



https://www.pbs.org/newshour/scienc...inks-pandemics-beginning-to-animals-not-a-lab

Any comment on whether the host country is helping or hindering the search for the cause?

 

[brgRC90]

Any comment on whether the host country is helping or hindering the search for the cause?

China is hindering and should be raked over the coals for it.

 

[patk89]

I can remember well with HIV hearing for years and years that it was a botched CIA job or a KGB plot from people who were 1,000,000% sure they were right. They were wrong. It was eventually traced to bonobos in northwest Africa and determined to have come into existence from the Simian Immunodeficiency Virus between 1881 and 1921. I'll wait for more investigation into the origins of the virus by experts instead of listening to all the same type of people who were talking out of their a**es with HIV.

Were these people most likely conservatives or progressives?

 

[brgRC90]

Were these people most likely conservatives or progressives?

Probably neither. In those days, unlike today, unfounded conspiracy theories were not given much attention by the mainstream, left or right. Certainly it was not common among liberals to say it.

 

[fsg2_rivals]

Welcome to the internet! If it gets too hot you can always shut off your computer and go outside and garden, take a walk, turn on some good music, or just lounge around.

Or chop some firewood, baby!

 

[patk89]

My uncle, a starch conservative and member of the National Academy of Sciences, did extensive research at Rockefeller Institute (now Rockefeller University) during the very early days of HIV. Members of his lab made progress on that horrible disease. They were all very concerned about it spreading and finding a cure. The people undermining this work were those who thought the govt wanted all gays to die. CIA or KGB. Then straight people got it like Magic Johnson.

 

[fsg2_rivals]

My uncle, a starch conservative and member of the National Academy of Sciences, did extensive research at Rockefeller Institute (now Rockefeller University) during the very early days of HIV. Members of his lab made progress on that horrible disease. They were all very concerned about it spreading and finding a cure. The people undermining this work were those who thought the govt wanted all gays to die. CIA or KGB. Then straight people got it like Magic Johnson.

A man who prefers his shirt loose.

I dig.

 

[koleszar]

China is hindering and should be raked over the coals for it.

My question has always been, why hinder if you have nothing to hide? If it came from zoonotic transmission there's no real wrongdoing except your people are unsanitary slobs. Thus, there's no reason to make it difficult to find the truth. You only hinder and make it impossible to find the truth if you want to hide something.

 

[Caliknight]

Magic wasn't straight. He was bi.

Loving the warmer ocean temps! Wish it was hotter though.

 

[brgRC90]

Why hinder if you have nothing to hide? If it came from zoonotic transmission there's no real wrongdoing except your people are unsanitary slobs, thus no reason to hinder.

Regimes like that are secretive about everything, even when they don't need to be, and also the Chinese government has a giant chip on their shoulder about what they see as being told what to do.