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18IsTheMan

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My understanding is that it's our problem because we guaranteed Ukraine's safety in exchange for their nuclear disarmamant.
It's ill-defined. To what extent are we obligated to guarantee their safety? Ground troops? Obviously not. Not even the biggest hawk has suggested we send troops to Ukraine.

That guarantee of safety does not obligate us to endlessly funnel billions of dollars into a never-ending quagmire.

Also, negotiating a peace deal could very easily meet the terms of guaranteeing their safety...even moreso than continuing to fund the war.

The bigger question I have is why did the previous administration do nothing meaningful to deter Russia from invading in the first place?
 
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Do you know Trmp personally? His actions give the impression - they are designed to benefit him. And if he can benefit from you in some way, he'll use you. Otherwise,he has no use for you, and you are the enemy.

Your remarks are typical of someone who disagrees with a statement, and rather than discuss the issues/concerns like a thoughtful, caring person, merely shouts down and criticizes someone with whom they disagree.
Wrong answer - try again -

Do you know DJT personally? Yes or no?
 

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There is an gender identity issue - not for you and me, but others in our Republic make it one. But our Republic means that the minority have rights which must be protected; whether you or I agree with the individual lifestyle as long as they are peachful. Otherwise, what's to stop someone down the road who doesn't like your religion and you suddenly dissaper one night.
And when people speak of our president like he is god or the messiah, that is also crazy, brainwashed and insane.
People with severe mental illness have rights - no doubt - they just belong in a mental asylum. "Make Believe" is not reality. It's make believe. And it's dangerous. Dangerous people do not belong side by side with others in society.

And not once have I heard anyone on the right claim that DJT was a God or messiah.......but I have heard numerous lefties *CLAIM* that is what people on the right say. It's a FALSE CLAIM from the left - as usual. All the left does is lie. Sometimes just outright making up false narratives, which is crazy, brainwashed, and insane......
 

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And reds attacking liberals 24/7......
The "attacks" started from the left the minute DJT came down that escalator to announce he was running for POTUS. - Remember?

There's an old saying - "Don't start nothing, won't be nothing." Again, democrats have been attacking since day 1..... how'd that work out for ya'll? Not too good. YOU GUYS are the petulant little children that were never told "NO". You vilify *ANYONE* who dares disagree with your insane version of anything....... when you lefties don't get your way, you burn, loot, and destroy cities, block traffic, rip down statues YOU DISAGREE WITH (Literal Fascism) - and then you come up with "perfectly just" rationalizations to make your fascism acceptable in your little minds....... the same minds that believe a man is a woman.

And then you say it's other sides fault ..... of course......more rationalizations. At any rate, it's going to stop now. Obey or move.
 

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My understanding is that it's our problem because we guaranteed Ukraine's safety in exchange for their nuclear disarmamant.
No, that is wrong. RUSSIA, UK and the US guaranteed Ukraine they would not be invaded if they gave up their nuclear weapons in 1994. In 2014 Russia invaded Crimea, part of Ukraine, and Obama and the UK did nothing about it. Russia waited until Trump was out of office in 2022 and Biden, Obama's VP, was the president and invaded Ukraine again and Biden didn't do anything about it either.

If Russia gets Ukraine, the Baltic states will be next and that will trigger WW3 since they are all NATO members.
 

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Okay, but act like a President, not a bully.
Maybe if DJT wore a dress and pretended to be a woman - he'd be more acceptable to you lefties.
Kinda like these men, maybe??? (Absolute insanity - straight to the mental asylum)

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There is an gender identity issue - not for you and me, but others in our Republic make it one. But our Republic means that the minority have rights which must be protected; whether you or I agree with the individual lifestyle as long as they are peachful. Otherwise, what's to stop someone down the road who doesn't like your religion and you suddenly dissaper one night.
And when people speak of our president like he is god or the messiah, that is also crazy, brainwashed and insane.
No, there is not a gender identity issue, there are only two sexes, male and female, end of discussion. Someone who is male who pretends they are female or vice versa is a personal mental problem, not a societal problem. If someone wants to pretend to be another sex that is completely their right. When they demand that I agree with their delusion and threaten me with legal action if I don't, that is when the law becomes a weapon against thought. I agree about the right to live a lifestyle as long as it is peaceful and does not impede on the rights of others but criminalizing the refusal to accept a mentally ill persons delusions as fact and forcing the public to fund that lifestyle is a long ways from that.

Psychologist knew transgender issues were a mental illness for a very long time until the PC crowd and the threat of losing funding forced them to declare it not to be.
 

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Then buy a fu#@ing Chevrolet! Now bitc# about the jobs people will get. Oh nevermind, you only bit@# about jobs lost while saving us money!
I only voice concern about the bully politics. You are apparently doing the b******g. Look who uses an exclamation point. If you don't like what someone states, you resort to shouting them down instead of having a reasoned discussion.
 

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It's ill-defined. To what extent are we obligated to guarantee their safety? Ground troops? Obviously not. Not even the biggest hawk has suggested we send troops to Ukraine.

That guarantee of safety does not obligate us to endlessly funnel billions of dollars into a never-ending quagmire.

Also, negotiating a peace deal could very easily meet the terms of guaranteeing their safety...even moreso than continuing to fund the war.

The bigger question I have is why did the previous administration do nothing meaningful to deter Russia from invading in the first place?
Good points. WWII was the last war we fought to actually win.
 

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I only voice concern about the bully politics. You are apparently doing the b******g. Look who uses an exclamation point. If you don't like what someone states, you resort to shouting them down instead of having a reasoned discussion.
It's no longer politics, it's business dealings. Negotiated from strength and with leverage.
Bad politics is what got us in the position we are in as a country.
 
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It's no longer politics, it's business dealings. Negotiated from strength and with leverage.
Politics is what got us in the position we are in as a country.
Politics have been around since before the founding of the Republic. Expect to pay at least 12k more on average for a new car.
 

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Maybe if DJT wore a dress and pretended to be a woman - he'd be more acceptable to you lefties.
Kinda like these men, maybe??? (Absolute insanity - straight to the mental asylum)

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The only lefty I am is left-handed. Just because I don't agree with your politics 100% does not make me the enemy. I put country before any political party and any single politician.

Just treat people with respect, even those with whom you do not agree. Negotiate agreements with strength and respect, so that everyone comes away with something good - a win-win situation.
 

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No, there is not a gender identity issue, there are only two sexes, male and female, end of discussion. Someone who is male who pretends they are female or vice versa is a personal mental problem, not a societal problem. If someone wants to pretend to be another sex that is completely their right. When they demand that I agree with their delusion and threaten me with legal action if I don't, that is when the law becomes a weapon against thought. I agree about the right to live a lifestyle as long as it is peaceful and does not impede on the rights of others but criminalizing the refusal to accept a mentally ill persons delusions as fact and forcing the public to fund that lifestyle is a long ways from that.

Psychologist knew transgender issues were a mental illness for a very long time until the PC crowd and the threat of losing funding forced them to declare it not to be.
You would probably be surprised at how much of what you stated above I agree with.

I agree that there are two sexes. And yes, I believe there's a mental issue with those who feel that they are of the wrong sex.
Please provide an example of a "demand to agree with their delusion."

My personal opinion in regards to those who present as the opposite sex and their advocates is that many in the country will not accept and endorse this. And the best we can "compromise" on is civil tolerance. We don't have to be their friends or advocates; best is to ignore them.

How do we "fund" a lifestyle?

My questions are not to be annoying, but to learn, and to come up with a non-violent approach which does not compromise my religious faith and values.
 

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12k on American too. Labour costs are higher in the US.
Most all brands have been made here competitively for many years and the only reason prices have risen is inflation due to Biden's treasury printing money and giving it away through NGO's for liberal nonsense causes and Democratic Party financing. Trump will clean this mess up using business acumen and ridding the system of political waste and fraud.
 

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It's no longer politics, it's business dealings. Negotiated from strength and with leverage.
Bad politics is what got us in the position we are in as a country.
lie down with mangy mutts get fleas
raise a toast komrade to the new victors....putin....north korea.....china
america crawling on its belly like a supplicant
go buy a trump crypto coin.....one of putin too
amorality as red badge of courage.......more like yellow streak down back
 

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lie down with mangy mutts get fleas
raise a toast komrade to the new victors....putin....north korea.....china
america crawling on its belly like a supplicant
go buy a trump crypto coin.....one of putin too
amorality as red badge of courage.......more like yellow streak down back
I hope the Dems stay on this train to nowhere right with you as they sink lower and lower
 
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Maybe an imported car.
Buy American mamade.h

Maybe an imported car.
Buy American made.
You simply don't understand manufacturing. Where do you think American car manufacturers are buying steel etc. to make their cars? No different than Honda and Toyota that manufacture in the US. Prices will rise regardless of where they are made. If they start buying medals from the US, prices will still rise because the US is more expensive

I work for an electronics company that manufactures in the US. Prices are going to rise by 10%+. No way around it. The devil is in the detail.
 
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I hope the Dems stay on this train to nowhere right with you as they sink lower and lower
They will try and switch it just like they did with slavery. They will start saying America first and school choice and only two genders and it's the Republicans that are the weirdos just like with slavery. Mark my words.
 
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Free speech censors? Wasn't it you Donnie who threw out media members for referencing the gulf of Mexico? Spin master Donnie hits again with a his sheep closely following him.

You may have noticed, some of the sheep have taken a detour given your Ukrainian propaganda.
Did you say something about sheep?
 

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Did you say something about sheep?

Shaun- As mentioned, I'm not a Democrat but I certainly don't agree our position with Ukraine.

That said, I'm anxiously awaiting grocery prices to decrease. I don't see it happening anytime soon.
 

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You simply don't understand manufacturing. Where do you think American car manufacturers are buying steel etc. to make their cars? No different than Honda and Toyota that manufacture in the US. Prices will rise regardless of where they are made. If they start buying medals from the US, prices will still rise because the US is more expensive

I work for an electronics company that manufactures in the US. Prices are going to rise by 10%+. No way around it. The devil is in the detail.
The economy under Trump 1.0 was just a preview but he now knows how Washington works and is taking corrective action so stand back and watch Trump 2.0 in progress and starting at a fast pace. Plenty more to come.
 

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The economy under Trump 1.0 was just a preview but he now knows how Washington works and is taking corrective action so stand back and watch Trump 2.0 in progress and starting at a fast pace. Plenty more to come.
Hopefully he has a better understanding of the impact of tariffs (to us citizens) than you do.
 

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Just what are the policies you said you agree with Trump. View attachment 766965
I am in agreement on most of his fiscal policies, abortion policies etc. Not thrilled with the implementation of his fiscal policies but i support them.

There are plenty of high ranking Republicans that don't agree with Trump's position on Ukraine.

All that said, I'm being pushed closer to the middle. Honesty is all I want from both sides and we don't get it from either.

As someone pointed out, I'm not very good at politics. I stand firmly in my beliefs. I refuse to be a sheep.
 
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Most all brands have been made here competitively for many years and the only reason prices have risen is inflation due to Biden's treasury printing money and giving it away through NGO's for liberal nonsense causes and Democratic Party financing. Trump will clean this mess up using business acumen and ridding the system of political waste and fraud.
The business acumen that bankrupted how many companies?
 

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The economy under Trump 1.0 was just a preview but he now knows how Washington works and is taking corrective action so stand back and watch Trump 2.0 in progress and starting at a fast pace. Plenty more to come.
I hope you are right, but I fear you are wrong.
 

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I am in agreement on most of his fiscal policies, abortion policies etc. Not thrilled with the implementation of his fiscal policies but i support them.

There are plenty of high ranking Republicans that don't agree with Trump's position on Ukraine.

All that said, I'm being pushed closer to the middle. Honesty is all I want from both sides and we don't get it from either.

As someone pointed out, I'm not very good at politics. I stand firmly in my beliefs. I refuse to be a sheep.
Too many sheep out there in all parties.
 
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The herd is growing


One can state the same about Trump's MAGA minions - vacuous skulls and no original thoughts.

To be clear, not all Trump supporters have vacuous skulls and no original thoughts. Many are reasonable people who believe he was the best person for the job. You can have a reasonable, thoughtful conversation with them.

People with vacuous skulls and no original thoughts will simply shout you down and insult you even if you respectfully disagree with their stance.
 
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